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Issue with newspaper

  • 11-05-2009 11:18am
    #1
    hcnyla
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 100 ✭✭


    My story:

    I was at an event a few weeks back taking photos. I submitted a few of them to the news editor of my local provincial newspaper so that they could use them in the paper if they wished. I never mentioned the words free or frr for use. They printed some of the photos although they changed my caption and removed my name from it.

    Anyway, I emailed her to ask about getting paid for them as they had printed some. SHe hasn't replied to the email. I have called her office now twice and she hasn't returned my calls either. I'm not going to get any response from her I would imagine. Now I wasn't comissioned by the paper to cover the event for them but I didn't supply the photos for free either and she knows that.

    Anyone have any idea how much a provincial newspaper pays for a printed photo so I can just invoice her? Anyone have any other advice?


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  • #2
    Tallon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    Why did you submit them, put a water mark or a big SAMPLE across the front of them.

    If I was on the other end of that email I would have assumed they were free


  • #3
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Tallon wrote: »
    Why did you submit them, put a water mark or a big SAMPLE across the front of them.

    If I was on the other end of that email I would have assumed they were free
    Indeed, however taking the photographers name off them and changing the captions was well out of order (imo).


  • #4
    Paulw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    Just send them an invoice. Give details such as the date of the paper, the page the image was on, and what the image was of. Pick your own price, maybe €100. They should have a rate card and they should respond quickly after the invoice.

    Simple as that.


  • #5
    Tallon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed, however taking the photographers name off them and changing the captions was well out of order (imo).

    I do agree with that, that was bad form


  • #6
    mehfesto2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭mehfesto2


    Just out of curiosity, do you have to be a company or have any professional/legal standing to make money from newspapers in this way? I mean, if you issue an invoice, Im assuming you've to pay tax on the money you make on it, no?

    Can a non professional punter like myself submit pics and make money without any legal set-up?


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  • #7
    AnCatDubh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭AnCatDubh


    mehfesto2 wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, do you have to be a company or have any professional/legal standing to make money from newspapers in this way? I mean, if you issue an invoice, Im assuming you've to pay tax on the money you make on it, no?

    Can a non professional punter like myself submit pics and make money without any legal set-up?

    Anyone can issue an invoice for anything to anybody (it usually helps if they are in receipt of goods or services from you). Any money you make less expenses will be liable for income tax. It happens all the time in all walks of life. Nothing different about a newspaper i'd expect.


  • #8
    AnCatDubh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭AnCatDubh


    Oh sorry, meant to say to the OP - This comes up regularly on the forum - the search will yield many related threads such as this one which you should find interesting.


  • #9
    Anouilh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    AnCatDubh wrote: »
    Anyone can issue an invoice for anything to anybody (it usually helps if they are in receipt of goods or services from you). Any money you make less expenses will be liable for income tax. It happens all the time in all walks of life. Nothing different about a newspaper i'd expect.


    Exactly.

    On the subject of selling to newspapers, it is safer to make all the conditions clear at the start and do not, unless it is for a charitable cause, offer any work for free.
    Or so it seems to me, as I spent years writing for a living.
    The photographers were often short-changed, as editors in a hurry grab the first photo to hand.
    It's important to not take this personally, btw.
    Many publications are put out in a frenzy.


  • #10
    smelltheglove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭smelltheglove


    I have had an issue with papers requesting images from me but expecting them for free, I always decline to be honest as by me submitting pictures for free means that their staff photographer gets less work as they would ecxpect them again. Many local papers refuse to pay. Send an invoice and persist in calling htem. One paper I had an issue with eventually gave me a free advertisement instead of payment of which I received wedding bookings for so it in the end was more valuable.

    If you send an invoice you need to do tax returns. I have to do tax returns for last year even though I only registered as a sole trader in August my profit for the month was less than 800, if you are charging for a service you need to pay your fair share of taxes.

    In future state that pictures are not for free, that there will be a charge, they will chance their arms on everything.


  • #11
    charybdis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭charybdis


    hcnyla wrote: »
    My story:

    I was at an event a few weeks back taking photos. I submitted a few of them to the news editor of my local provincial newspaper so that they could use them in the paper if they wished. I never mentioned the words free or frr for use. They printed some of the photos although they changed my caption and removed my name from it.

    Anyway, I emailed her to ask about getting paid for them as they had printed some. SHe hasn't replied to the email. I have called her office now twice and she hasn't returned my calls either. I'm not going to get any response from her I would imagine. Now I wasn't comissioned by the paper to cover the event for them but I didn't supply the photos for free either and she knows that.

    Anyone have any idea how much a provincial newspaper pays for a printed photo so I can just invoice her? Anyone have any other advice?

    Did you expressly say they were not free?

    Sending a newspaper a bunch of photographs without caveats or specific license could be seen as granting them a license for use.


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  • #12
    Paulw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    charybdis wrote: »
    Did you expressly say they were not free?

    Sending a newspaper a bunch of photographs without caveats or specific license could be seen as granting them a license for use.

    In the same way, if you didn't say that they were free, then they should expect to pay.

    Without expressed terms, they are not free to make any assumptions.

    You are well within your right to seek payment.


  • #13
    charybdis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭charybdis


    Paulw wrote: »
    In the same way, if you didn't say that they were free, then they should expect to pay.

    Without expressed terms, they are not free to make any assumptions.

    You are well within your right to seek payment.

    I agree, that's sort-of what I was saying.

    When offering images for publication, I recommend making the terms of use very clear from the outset.


  • #14
    PCPhoto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    I've had similar problems with 2 regional papers (on the west coast - Mayo) - they hired me to cover football games in Dublin (involving teams from Mayo) .... that was in Jan/Feb - I'm still awaiting payment (and its May now !!)

    I have supplied their rivals with images as they have paid their bills.

    make sure you make a note of the regional paper and if they are stuck for an image or stuck for a photographer you can kindly remind them that they never paid you for "X" images sent and used on this date ..... WHEN they tell you they will pay ask them to put it in an email with the details of job they want you to do.

    I have a number of regional papers that I refuse to send stuff to..... its part of the game.

    OP.... you can try persue them and attempt to get some money (some regionals pay 10-15euro per pic) ..... or you can chalk it down to a learning curve.... and make sure you keep a note of it for WHEN they need a photo from you. (Karma !!! Life's a b1tch)


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