Which bill is better value?

sligobhoy67

Belfast or

Castlebar?

mikethemouth

personally i would go to belfast but i would be fairly confident there will be better action in castlebar. it depends on who and what you wanna watch i guess.

sligobhoy67

mikethemouth wrote: »

personally i would go to belfast but i would be fairly confident there will be better action in castlebar. it depends on who and what you wanna watch i guess.

to be honest I was joking man!

I would pay the same amount to watch Coyle v Sinclair then I would to watch the novice Ireland v Latvian tomatocan fest in Mayo.

adamburke83

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

to be honest I was joking man!

I would pay the same amount to watch Coyle v Sinclair then I would to watch the novice Ireland v Latvian tomatocan fest in Mayo.

if only they put Eddie Hyland on the belfast show, id be there, as it seems to be a better card, with Rogie, Sinclair & O`Hara.
and its always a great night out in Belfast City Centre too

sligobhoy67

swap Jon Baguley with Eddie Hyland and that Belfast card in the best on this island for a long time.

mikethemouth

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

swap Jon Baguley with Eddie Hyland and that Belfast card in the best on this island for a long time.

hahaha your having a laugh right ??

warren promotions putting on a card of his olympic fighters fighting nobodies ....come on dude ...wake up

sligobhoy67

mikethemouth wrote: »

hahaha your having a laugh right ??

warren promotions putting on a card of his olympic fighters fighting nobodies ....come on dude ...wake up

as opposed to the quality opposition being lined up in to fight the novice Irishmen in Mayo?

infact bottom of the (deep) bill is Tony Bellew v Nathan King. Which fight in Mayo is even half as good as that one.

mikethemouth

your point about this card been best in ireland for a long time is nuts and cluless imo
for me peters "dunne" card in teh point was far better than this. i have been to alot of warren's gigs and their all handpicked fights with one aim - to ensure no one of his fighters gets hurt and their KO stats go up.

in fact both cards are stacked with guys just looking boost their KO stats. Rogan fight for me is the only credible fight regarding competiveness. castlebar card is poor also but their fighst will probably be more competiveness than warrens boxing shows.

sligobhoy67

mikethemouth wrote: »

your point about this card been best in ireland for a long time is nuts and cluless imo
for me peters "dunne" card in teh point was far better than this. i have been to alot of warren's gigs and their all handpicked fights with one aim - to ensure no one of his fighters gets hurt and their KO stats go up.

in fact both cards are stacked with guys just looking boost their KO stats. Rogan fight for me is the only credible fight regarding competiveness. castlebar card is poor also but their fighst will probably be more competiveness than warrens boxing shows.

IMO yer talkin ****e - so I'll shut up and let others judge.

All I'll say is rank these fights in order or competitiveness and interest. Here is mine

1. Martin Rogan 12-0-0 v Sam Sexton 11-1-0

2. Neil Sinclair 31-7-0 v Henry Coyle 10-1-0

3. Michael Jennings 34-2-0 v Willie Thompson 6-0-1

4. Tony Bellew 8-0-0 v Nathan King 12-13-0

5. Kevin O'Hara 15-4-0 v Jon Baguley 8-13-1

6. Ciaran Healy 9-10-1 v Lee Noble 10-9-0

7. Scott Belshaw 10-1-0 v Jason Callum 3-7-1

8. James DeGale 1-0-0 v Jindrich Kubin 5-0-0

9. Eddie Hyland 11-1-0 v Juris Ivanovs 5-16-0

10. Colm Keane 6-0-0 v Jevgenijs Stamburskis 5-19-0

11. Frankie Gavin 1-0-0 v Mourad Frarema 2-3-0

12. Billy Joe Saunders 1-0-0 v Ronny Gabel 2-1-0

13. Ian Tims 6-0-0 v ?

14. Michael Sweeney 6-0-1 v ?

15. Luke Wilton 4-1-0 v Anwar Alfadli 0-1-0

16. Anthony Fitzgerald 1-2-0 v Denis Sirjatovs 2-12-0

17. John Waldron 1-2-0 SC Romans Sevchenko 1-1-0

18. Willie Casey 1-0-0 v ?

19. Finbar Eade 0-0-0 v ?

I stand by what I said - the Dunne card had the main headliner but was a shallow card and is probably as good if you include the ams - but this is a purely pro card. Name another purely pro card an interesting as that!

mikethemouth

i can name at least 17 winners ...if thats your measure of the best card in ireland for years its make me laugh

joepenguin

The Belfast card is really good with a lot of depth to it.

Fights involving DeGale, Saunders, Gavin and Jennings may not competitive but it would be great to see these guys in action. A world title challenger, an olympic champion, world champion and surely there will be one future champ out of them at least.

Makes for a good nights entertainment. Cant make the Belfast show but may be able to make the Castlebar show. Has anyone been to the venue? If so whats it like.
cheers

cowzerp

The belfast card will be far better, more competitve-slightly!!!
but has names that people really want to see and will pay big money to see in a couple of years..
and rogan is a legend in the making

Big Ears

Since 2005 these are the best 29 cards we've had in Ireland imo in order of date.

2005:
February
-Bernard Dunne v Jim Betts
Jim Rock v Peter Jackson, Irish super middleweight title
Robert Murray v Ceri Hall
Francis Barrett v Oscar Milkitas
Colin Kenna v Paul King
Paul Hyland v Vladimir Bukovy

March:
-Eamon Magee v Allan Vester, WBU Welterweight title
Neil Sinclair v Taz Jones
Jim Rock v Michael Monaghan
Martin Rogan v Billy Bessey
Paul McCloskey v David Kehoe
Stephen Haughian v James Gorman
Andy Murray v Jonathon Jones

May:
-Bernard Dunne v Yuri Voronin
Robert Murray v Peter McDonagh, Irish Light-Welterweight title
Matthew Macklin v Michael Monaghan, Irish Middleweight title
Darren Melville v Oscar Milkitas
James Gorman v Peter Buckley
Tommy Tolan v Mikhail Banbula

October:
-Bernard Dunne v Sean Hughes, IBC Super-Bantamweight title
Jim Rock v Alan Jones, IBC Middleweight title
Brian Magee v Varuzhan Davtyan
Oisin Fagan v Richard Scifo
Paul Griffin v John Bothwell
Stephen Haughian v Imad Khamis
Paul Hyland v Peter Feher

2006:
January:
-Bernard Dunne v Noel Wilders
Michael Gomez v Peter McDonagh, Irish Lightweight title
Colin Kenna v Luke Simpkin
John O'Donnell v Zaid Bediouri
Stephen Haughian v Duncan Cottier
Brian Magee v Daniil Prakapsou

April:
-Damaen Kelly v Simone Maludrottu, EBU (European) bantamweight title
Barry Morrison v Mihaita Mutu
Stephen Mullin v Damian Owen
Ciaran Healy v George Hillyard
Martin Lindsay v Chris Hooper
Michael Kelly v Stuart Green
Scott Jordan v Jamie Ambler

May:
-Eamon Magee v Mehrud Takaloo, WBU Welterweight title
Danny Williams v Adnan Serin
Amir Khan v Laszlo Komjathi
Kevin O'Hara v Daniel Thorpe
Jason McKay v Conroy McIntosh
Colin Moffett v Delroy Spencer
Martin Rogan v Darren Morgan
Stephen Haughian v Peter Buckley

June:
Bernard Dunne v David Martinez
Jim Rock v Kevin Phelan, Irish Middleweight title
Oisín Fagan v Jeff Thomas, Irish Light-Welterweight title
Paul Griffin v Wladimir Borov
James Moore v Salaheddine Sarhani
Andy Murray v Tony Jourda
Andrew Wallace v Dariusz Snarski

November:
-Bernard Dunne v Esham Pickering, European Super-Bantamweight title
Jason McKay v Michael Monaghan, Irish light heavyweight title
Andrew Wallace v Nikita Lukin
Stephen Haughian v Silence Saheed
Billy Walsh v Rocky Muscas
Eugene Heagney v Delroy Spencer
Scott Belshaw v Anatoliy Kusenko

2007:
March:
-Bernard Dunne v Yersin Jailouev, European Super-Bantamweight title
Jim Rock v Szabolcs Rimovszky
Jason McKay v Darren Rhodes
Stephen Haughian v Chill John
Lukasz Wawrzyczek v Conroy McIntosh
Francesco Pianeta v Aleksandrs Borhovs
Scott Jordan v Duncan Cottier
Paul Truscott v Peter Feher

June:
-Bernard Dunne v Reidar Walstad, EBU (European) super bantamweight title
Neil Sinclair v Francis Jones
Oisin Fagan v Chill John
Lukasz Wawrzyczek v Ciaran Healy
Jill Emery v Angel McKenzie
Patrick Hyland v Lajos Beller
John Timlin v Roland Horvath

July:
-John Duddy v Alessio Furlan
Paul McCloskey v Ivan Orlando Bustos
Eugene Heagney v Colin Moffett
Stephen Haughian v Gary O'Connor
Patrick Hyland v Roman Rafael
Declan Timlin v Peter Szabo

August:
-Bernard Dunne v Kiko Martinez, EBU (European) super bantamweight title

Brian Magee v Tony Oakey, British light heavyweight title
Andy Lee v Ciaran Healy
Paul McCloskey v Alfredo Di Feto
Matthew Macklin v Darren Rhodes
Willie Thompson v Arturs Jaskuls
Nicki Smedley v Surinder Sekhon

October:
-John Duddy v Prince Arron
Matthew Macklin v Alessio Furlan
Paul McCloskey v Dariusz Snarski
Stephen Haughian v Thomas Hengstberger
Matthew Hatton v Samuli Leppiaho
Lukasz Wawrzyczek v Martins Kukuls
Sergey Kravchenko v Andrejs Tolstihs
Michael Sweeney v Leonid Dmitrichenko
John Timlin v Aleksandrs Selezens

December:
-John Duddy v Howard Eastman
Paul McCloskey v Tontcho Tontchev, IBF International light welterweight title
Stephen Haughian v Giammario Grassellini, IBF Inter-Continental welterweight title
Andy Murray v James Gorman, Irish light welterweight title
Ciaran Healy v Lee Murtagh, Irish light middleweight title
Martin Lindsay v Edison Torres
Willie Thompson v Duncan Cottier
Damian Taggart v Peter Dunn
Alo Kelly v Sandris Tomsons
Caine Brodie v Andrejs Tolstihs

-Andy Lee v Jason McKay, Irish super middleweight title
Colin Moffett v Eugene Heagney, Irish bantamweight title
George Katsimpas v Lukasz Wawrzyczek
Eddie Hyland v Wladimir Borov
Stephen Haughian v Arturs Jaskuls
Paul Truscott v Nikita Lukin
Declan Timlin v Aleksandrs Selezens
Michael Sweeney v Klaids Kristapsons
Alo Kelly v Andrejs Tolstihs

2008:
February:
-Andy Lee v Alejandro Gustavo Falliga
Paul McCloskey v Manuel Garnica
Jason McKay v Martins Kukuls
Ciaran Healy v Pavels Lotahs
Michael Sweeney v Remigijus Ziausys
Mike Perez v Sandor Balogh

March:
-Matthew Macklin v Luis Ramon Campas
Andy Murray v Leonard Lothian
Mike Perez v Tomasz Zeprzalka
Albert Rybacki v Freeman Taft
Ian Tims v Klaids Kristapsons
Willie Thompson v Semjons Moroseks
Leon Senior v Sandris Tomsons

-Paul McCloskey v Cesar Bazan
Neil Sinclair v Juan Martin Bas
Andy Murray v Juris Ivanovs
Luke Wilton v Istvan Ajtai
Damian Taggart v Janis Chernouskis

April:
-Bernard Dunne v Felix Machado
Andy Murray v Wellington De Jesus
Adnan Amar v Arturs Jaskuls
Michael Sweeney v Roland Horvath
Grzegorz Proksa v Jairo Alvarez
Keith Cresham v Andrejs Tolstihs
Mike Perez v Howard Daley
Jamie Power v Leonid Dmitrichenko


-Patrick Hyland v Paul Griffin, Irish featherweight title
Eddie Hyland v Kevin O'Hara, Irish super featherweight title
Paul Hyland v Ayittey Mettle
Jonathan O'Brien v Moses Matovu
Declan Timlin v Mircea Telecan
Gary O'Sullivan v Tye Williams
Ian Tims v Mirica Edvardo
Luke Wilton v Delroy Spencer

July:
-Jamie Moore v Ciaran Healy, Irish light middleweight title
Paul Hyland v Marc Callaghan, Irish super bantamweight title
Patrick Hyland v Geoffrey Munika
Kiko Martinez v Lante Addy
Gary O'Sullivan v Eugen Stan
Michael Sweeney v Stan Catalin
Jonathan O'Brien v Anghel Florin

-Bernard Dunne v Damian David Marchiano
Andy Murray v Peter McDonagh, Irish lightweight title
Jim Rock v Jonjo Finnegan, Irish light heavyweight title
Oisin Fagan v Konstantins Sakara
Darren Corbett v Remigijus Ziausys
Ian Tims v Jevgenijs Andrejevs
Eugene Heagney v Kemal Plavci

-Andy Lee v Willie Gibbs
Paul McCloskey v Nigel Wright
Stephen Haughian v Giuseppe Langella
Keith Cresham v Georgi Iliev
Jason McKay v Marcin Piatkowski
John O'Donnell v Sergejs Volodins
Jamie Power v Sandris Tomsons
Logan McGuinness v Juris Ivanovs

November:
Bernard Dunne v Christian Faccio
Henry Coyle v Sergejs Savrinovics
Stephen Haughian v Giammario Grassellini
John O'Donnell v Suleyman Dag
Logan McGuinness v Marcin Kulba
Damian Taggart v Jevgenijs Fjodorovs
Steve Barnes v Piotr Niesporek

December:
-Darren Sutherland v Georgi Iliev
Rendall Munroe v Fabrizio Trotta, EBU (European) super bantamweight title
Jason Booth v Sean Hughes, Commonwealth bantamweight title Martin Power v Gary Davies
Kiko Martinez v Gheorghe Ghiompirica
Paul Hyland v Eugene Heagney
Willie Thompson v Karl Chiverton
Luke Wilton v Usman Ahmed

2009:
March:
-Bernard Dunne v Ricardo Cordoba, WBA Super-Bantamweight title
Andy Lee v Alexander Sipos
Andrew Murray v Daniel Rasilla, EU Lightweight title
Jim Rock v Alessio Furlan
Michael Kelly v Valentins Morozovs
Anthony Fitzgerald v Janis Chernouskis
+ Am bouts, Katie Taylor, Paddy Barnes, Ray Moylette

April:
-Martin Lindsay v Paul Appleby, British Featherweight title
Ryan Rhodes v Janos Petrovics
George Groves v Sandor Polgar
Curtis Woodhouse v Jay Morris
Luke Wilton v Delroy Spencer
Michael Maguire v James Ancliff

May:
Martin Rogan v Sam Sexton, Commonwealth Heavyweight title
Neil Sinclair v Henry Coyle, Irish Light-Middleweight title
Willie Thompson v Michael Jennings
Kevin O'Hara v John Baguley
Ciaran Healy v Lee Noble
Tony Bellew v Nathan King
Luke Wilton v Anwar Alfadi
Scott Belshaw v Jason Callum
Frankie Gavin v Mourad Frarema
Billy Joe Saunders v Ronny Gabel
James Degale v Jindrich Kubin


The very top ones are the Dunne v Martinez, Duddy v Eastman, Sutherland debut and of course Dunne v Cordoba bills.

Rogan v Sexton is a big one and joins that other 4 to be the top 5 Irish cards of the last 4 years or so for me. But I don't think it's #1, that for me still has to be Dunne v Cordoba. I'm not really convinced it's #2 either, I guess I'll just have to judge it once it's over.

sligobhoy67

Big Ears wrote: »

The very top ones are the Dunne v Martinez, Duddy v Eastman, Sutherland debut and of course Dunne v Cordoba bills.

Rogan v Sexton is a big one and joins that other 4 to be the top 5 Irish cards of the last 4 years or so for me. But I don't think it's #1, that for me still has to be Dunne v Cordoba. I'm not really convinced it's #2 either, I guess I'll just have to judge it once it's over.

Actually looking at that then I wouldnt say it is that best either. Its a pretty deep stack and the opposition is better than people think. Maybe I got carried away a little in reaction to Mickthemouths comments.

Also some of the earlier cards (say over a year old) look better now because the fighters such as Lindsay, McCloskey etc have developed since then and become higher profile.

I assure you when you look back on that card in a few years time you will be looking at it like one of those cards the used to be on at the Bowlers, Nynex and MEN in Manchester about 7 or 8 years ago with Hide, Eubank, Hatton, Witter, Magee, Farnell, Arthur etc all on the same card - like this or this

unknown13

Belfast is a much stronger bill

joepenguin

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Actually looking at that then I wouldnt say it is that best either. Its a pretty deep stack and the opposition is better than people think. Maybe I got carried away a little in reaction to Mickthemouths comments.

Also some of the earlier cards (say over a year old) look better now because the fighters such as Lindsay, McCloskey etc have developed since then and become higher profile.

I assure you when you look back on that card in a few years time you will be looking at it like one of those cards the used to be on at the Bowlers, Nynex and MEN in Manchester about 7 or 8 years ago with Hide, Eubank, Hatton, Witter, Magee, Farnell, Arthur etc all on the same card - like this or this

Wow thats mad. Imagine been at that bill with Thompson, Eubank, Hide, Hamed, Vasquez, Hatton, Witter, Gomez, Rock and Reid (has a ring to it, they could have sold a show on the name alone... Rocky v Creed??? Try Rock v Reid )

sligobhoy67

the more I look at it the more sh1t the Castlebar card looks.

If you look at the opponants - I refer to them as the "Lativan Sh1tmonkeys" - there is a pattern to their careers.

All of them have negative records - fair enough there arent great but someone has to have a negative record so lets let that slide.

Then when you look at the each of their records - ALL of their wins are in Latvia - again nothing wrong with that, sure Latvia isnt the strong of domestic scenes but they cant help that.

But when you look at all the guys they have beaten - not one of them - I mean NOT ONE OF THEM has a victory to their name. The combined record of the guys they have beaten is about 0-24-4!!!!!

What they seem to be doing is - losing on their travels around Europe and then they go back to Latvia to get a win on there card against someone that has never fought before or is 0-4 and then they go back out on the road as canon fodder - presumably they go back to get these wins so that their fights are still sanctioned in other countries.

Its a bit of a joke that Irish promotors are so happy to use guys like these.

joepenguin

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

the more I look at it the more sh1t the Castlebar card looks.

If you look at the opponants - I refer to them as the "Lativan Sh1tmonkeys" - there is a pattern to their careers.

All of them have negative records - fair enough there arent great but someone has to have a negative record so lets let that slide.

Then when you look at the each of their records - ALL of their wins are in Latvia - again nothing wrong with that, sure Latvia isnt the strong of domestic scenes but they cant help that.

But when you look at all the guys they have beaten - not one of them - I mean NOT ONE OF THEM has a victory to their name. The combined record of the guys they have beaten is about 0-24-4!!!!!

What they seem to be doing is - losing on their travels around Europe and then they go back to Latvia to get a win on there card against someone that has never fought before or is 0-4 and then they go back out on the road as canon fodder - presumably they go back to get these wins so that their fights are still sanctioned in other countries.

Its a bit of a joke that Irish promotors are so happy to use guys like these.

Happens all over the place, look at so many fighters, even legendary ones, loads of their first 20 or so fights have been against guys with a 0-0-0 record.

Id rather see a load of Irish journey-man in place of these Latvian fighters, at least these guys could then fight amongst themselves and make up numbers for Irish rankings, plus they would sell more tickets which is important for the local shows.

Im sure anyone who spent a few years as an amature could do it. All they need is the basic skills, a bit of a chin, be in relatively good shape and be capable of going the 4,6,8,10 rounds.

Think about it:

The fighters get:

Few hundred quid for a few minutes work.
Free admission to the fight

The sport gets:

Numbers to make up the ranking and create Irish title fights with.
More interest at local level
More exposure.

The promoters get:

Inexpensive fighters.
Dont have to pay for flights
Can be brought in at last minute
More tickets sold locally

The fans get:

Opponents whose name we can pronounce
More Irish title fights
More cards on an annual basis
More cards around the country.

joepenguin

Was thinking about going to this but the more I thought about it, the more I didnt want to go. Id love to support boxing this side of the country but there should be a bigger name, Irish title fight or two, or some competitive / interesting match ups made.

Hopefully they will consider these points when promoting the next show.

Tickets cost 50euro and you could have seen this card http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=563255 in castlebar a few months ago for 50euro.

It had Dunne-Faccio... Theres your big name.
Huaghian vs Grasselini... There is your competitive match
Coyle vs Savrinovisc... Local lad in a good fight.

It also had O Donnell, McGuiness, Taggart and Barnes.

Not the best card Irelands ever seen but still alot better value.


Id be interested to see all the lads that are on tommorrow nights show but not ALL of them against fighteres who are ALL there to lose.

joepenguin

Did anyone go to castelbar?

adamburke83

joepenguin wrote: »

Did anyone go to castelbar?

yeah was a great night

joepenguin

adamburke83 wrote: »

yeah was a great night

Anyone look particularly impressive or any surprising tough nuts like that guy that fought Coyle a few months back.

How did Fagan get on in his first fight back with the leg.
cheers

adamburke83

joepenguin wrote: »

Anyone look particularly impressive or any surprising tough nuts like that guy that fought Coyle a few months back.

How did Fagan get on in his first fight back with the leg.
cheers

fagan had a good preformance, looked a bit rusty though,

eddie hylands fight was a good one, the bloke he faught was tough he just kept coming,

anto fitzgerald had a good fight too,
the rest of the card was average or even below average

but the ring announcer was terrible, he was a local fella who didnt have a clue

but overall it was a good night

joepenguin

Cheers, I heard Ian Tims was meant to be fighting matt ellis but boxrec doesnt have him on the card. Id say they couldnt get an opponent or something as he was down to fight tba till the day of the show.

was it a good turnout?