New Reason DAW tba. Saturday 9th May 2009

ICN

This has been around various sites for a while now.. but the "BIG" day has definitely never been closer. Its not going to be Reason 5 - but a totally new product.


I cannot wait to see what it is. I'm just intrigued. Its being announced at the Producer Confrences tomorrow.

I think they've missed the boat in some ways. However there are a lot of people probably using Reason & nothing else.

The cynic in me says - What a good opportunity to sell them something that they have previously never needed!

LOL - What a recession beater!


I wont be getting it though.. I've spent my money already at this stage.


Anyone looking forward to it??!

jiltloop

I'm certainly interested in finding out about this. Any word as of today or any links with more info? Apparently Luke Vibert does all his work within Reason (mainly using the samplers though).

ICN

Hi JL

Yeah - I've been looking about..

There's supposed to be a media "lockdown" until Monday. Then they're allowed to talk about it. So there's very little official.. But the name "Re-cord" is out there.

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/09/propellerhead-record-oft-requested-reason-feature-will-be-an-entirely-new-tool/

Saw a couple of things where people are talking about 64bit.. Audio editing & manipulation features, a bit like Melodyne.

Dunno.. Have to wait until Monday. I'm interested to see what their "Angle" will be.

There is a countdown banner up on the Prop's w/site.. But no info.

http://www.propellerheads.se/

Actually, I'm surprised that this the first reply on my post. I thought that there would be a bit more interest over it.. but possibly there are not that many Reason users here??

You're obviously / probably a Reason user JL? Do you have it rewired into something else?

This Yoke would want to be pretty spectacular to get people to buy it if they already use Cubase or Logic or whatever! Best of luck to them!

ICN

jiltloop wrote: »

I'm certainly interested in finding out about this. Any word as of today or any links with more info? Apparently Luke Vibert does all his work within Reason (mainly using the samplers though).

Yeah.. He's been in Future Music a few times now I think.. Just a rehash of the interview on the Props w/site. He doesnt really seem that passionate anymore.

That Kerrier District Album was made totally in Reason supposodly. I didnt like it.. thought it sounded v.rigid or really programmed at the time - only found out later that he used Reason!

He's got hours of an Acid Jam session recorded on DAT with AFX & goes in & he samples a bit whenever he needs a bit of Cornish Acid :cool:

I used to really like him.. All the Ninja Tune Classics.. The first couple of Wagonchrist Albums.. & The Album with BJ Cole (one of my all time favourite albums of all time) are all brilliant - but I'm sorry to say that I actually hate all his new stuff.

jimi_t

Propellerhead Record: Oft-Requested Reason Feature Will Be an Entirely New Tool

No Pics till monday (officially).

Bit underwhelming to be honest...

ICN

jimi_t wrote: »

Propellerhead Record: Oft-Requested Reason Feature Will Be an Entirely New Tool

No Pics till monday (officially).

Bit underwhelming to be honest...

Yeah.. so far it sounds Sh it.

ICN

Reason Artist story - Claude Von Stroke - Who's afraid of Detroit?


I really like this tune & it was made in Reason - although with his own sounds via samplers.

Its a great example of what can be done.

Bit of a funny interview.. seems like he couldn't be bothered LOL


http://www.propellerheads.se/substance/artist-stories/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=claude-vonstroke

ICN

Record logo - Looks great - LOL

http://twitpic.com/4v2ka

http://picasaweb.google.com/astrahsburg/LA1?feat=directlink#5333920694439910210

ICN

Here we fcuking go..


It exists alright! Vid from conference.

Looks like a DAW. You can access Reason from it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855aToOvkd8

ICN

Looks like its going to be a rip off!! Wonder what the charge is going to be?

They should have put that mixer into Reason 4.

seannash

ICN wrote: »

Record logo - Looks great - LOL

http://twitpic.com/4v2ka

http://picasaweb.google.com/astrahsburg/LA1?feat=directlink#5333920694439910210

i hung out with the bloke in the two pics and james bernard(think thats his name)the reason synth developer and the guy who does all the vids on the site.
we got into the whole what do you use.after i gave out about how **** reason was compared to logic they eventually told me who they were.bit embarassing.
anyway i told them i use logic and james bernard told me that he creates in reason and bounces down to logic to finish his tracks.he admits reason is nowhere close to logic when it comes to getting that professional sheen on things.
i did admire his honesty.i have reason but the more i learned about synthesis the less i went back to it.never saw the whole hoopla for thor to be honest.i did like subtractor but not enough to rewire reason into logic.i can get the same sounds from my other vsts.
it did baffle me that they never let you record into it.obvious flaw for a daw right there.
anyway hope its all you reason heads dreams come true.

ICN

Thats interesting about JB & Logic.


Anyway - Yeah.. The Bottom line is that its a bit too late for them to catch up with everyone now.

Kinda pointless what they're doing in a way. Who knows.. as more info comes out we might all be surprised.

Somehow I dont think so though..

They've probably missed the Longboat

seannash

ICN wrote: »

Thats interesting about JB & Logic.


Anyway - Yeah.. The Bottom line is that its a bit too late for them to catch up with everyone now.

Kinda pointless what they're doing in a way. Who knows.. as more info comes out we might all be surprised.

Somehow I dont think so though..

They've probably missed the Longboat

true,vst support is another thing they need to sort out.its really unbelieveable that they dont have this already.especially with how competitive the market is

jtsuited

hope i don't ruffle too many feathers here but I've always found Reason (and I've had every version up to 4) to be a bit of a 'sequencer for dummies'.

that new ReCord thing looks like a complete joke tbh.

Back in the old days of slow processor speeds and small hard drives, Reason had a place in everyone's studio but in this day and age, it's all but obsolete imo.

ICN

jtsuited wrote: »

hope i don't ruffle too many feathers here but I've always found Reason (and I've had every version up to 4) to be a bit of a 'sequencer for dummies'.

that new ReCord thing looks like a complete joke tbh.

Back in the old days of slow processor speeds and small hard drives, Reason had a place in everyone's studio but in this day and age, it's all but obsolete imo.

AND - Theres talk of this thing needing a Dongle!

What a joke indeed!

jtsuited

ICN wrote: »

AND - Theres talk of this thing needing a Dongle!

What a joke indeed!

haha, propellorheads are finished if that's the case.

empirix

nowhere near protools

jimi_t

Taken from a comment on CDM

It records audio, duh!
It natively opens Reason files…if you have Reason installed.
64-bit mix engine.
SSL 9000k modelded EQ and compression on every audio channel and an SSL modeled bus comp as well.
Line 6 guitar and bass amp models.
A simple Sound Canvas/Proteus tone generator.
Very intuitive track comping.
The best time-stretching I’ve ever seen. I saw a 40-track audio project (full band, vocals, etc.) time stretched from 130 bpm to 180 bpm to 68 bmp by simply typing in a new tempo value without any artifacting.
The Reason rack convention is maintained, but you can now have as many racks as you’d like from left to right. You can do all the cabling, just as in Reason.
No third-party plugins are supported, but it can be ReWired. As with Reason, Record is a “closed system” but that allows the code to be very CPU efficient. It will run on any machine that can run Reason, which is just about any lame computer.
No time code support, no video support.
The price is $249, $149 for registered Reason owners.
Release date: 9/9/9

bedbugs

jimi_t wrote: »

Taken from a comment on CDM

It records audio, duh!
It natively opens Reason files…if you have Reason installed.
64-bit mix engine.
SSL 9000k modelded EQ and compression on every audio channel and an SSL modeled bus comp as well.
Line 6 guitar and bass amp models.
A simple Sound Canvas/Proteus tone generator.
Very intuitive track comping.
The best time-stretching I’ve ever seen. I saw a 40-track audio project (full band, vocals, etc.) time stretched from 130 bpm to 180 bpm to 68 bmp by simply typing in a new tempo value without any artifacting.
The Reason rack convention is maintained, but you can now have as many racks as you’d like from left to right. You can do all the cabling, just as in Reason.
No third-party plugins are supported, but it can be ReWired. As with Reason, Record is a “closed system” but that allows the code to be very CPU efficient. It will run on any machine that can run Reason, which is just about any lame computer.
No time code support, no video support.
The price is $249, $149 for registered Reason owners.
Release date: 9/9/9

If all of this IS the case, it sounds great. Video support would've been nice though.

ICN

Still too late for how many Reason users that have stopped @ Version X & moved onto something else.

I certainly wont be back to give them cash.. If I have to, I can use v.3 until the day they stop supporting it on OS XX etc..

I tried selling V.3 a while back.. But I've still got it. I dont mind actually.. I'll keep it & teach my Son the basics on it when he gets old enough!


Seriously - If the best feature that they have to offer in this is the new time stretching algorithm / technique.. Then great if its so brilliant.

Its then only a matter of time before it spurs on Ableton or Cubase or Logic or whatever - raise their game in response. So everyone will benefit indirectly from the "Arms Race" in the end. Anyone that I know who uses it, uses it with another program already and wont be buying it.

It takes enough time to get to know your program's without getting involved in this. Good if you are starting out. "My First DAW".

Marketing wise.. They've probably alienated quite a few of their existing Customers now, by producing something that a lot of us dont need - Most people will update regardless.. Honestly, how many will spend the cash (especially now..) on something that they do not need? So its main target is New Customers or Pre-DAW Beginners.

Bottom line - They would have been better sticking all of this into Reason 5.

bedbugs

ICN wrote: »

Still too late for how many Reason users that have stopped @ Version X & moved onto something else.

I certainly wont be back to give them cash.. If I have to, I can use v.3 until the day they stop supporting it on OS XX etc..

I tried selling V.3 a while back.. But I've still got it. I dont mind actually.. I'll keep it & teach my Son the basics on it when he gets old enough!


Seriously - If the best feature that they have to offer in this is the new time stretching algorithm / technique.. Then great if its so brilliant.

Its then only a matter of time before it spurs on Ableton or Cubase or Logic or whatever - raise their game in response. So everyone will benefit indirectly from the "Arms Race" in the end. Anyone that I know who uses it, uses it with another program already and wont be buying it.

It takes enough time to get to know your program's without getting involved in this. Good if you are starting out. "My First DAW".

Marketing wise.. They've probably alienated quite a few of their existing Customers now, by producing something that a lot of us dont need - Most people will update regardless.. Honestly, how many will spend the cash (especially now..) on something that they do not need? So its main target is New Customers or Pre-DAW Beginners.

Bottom line - They would have been better sticking all of this into Reason 5.

What do you move on to from Reason? It's certainly not a replacement for a DAW. I just use it as one big plugin. And btw, if you haven't updated to v4, you're really missing out.. Reason is simple to use, yes. But it's also used by many respected musicians -Flaming Lips for one!

I always get a happy glow using it. A very creative tool. Easy to use. Instant results -and if you know what you're doing, excellent results.

BUT, to use it and nothing else is MADNESS!

dav nagle

I love reason and integrating within my Daw I do it all the time, any program made my propellor head I am interested in. NIce one ICN for bringing the shizzle to my swizzle

ICN

Desperate Presentation. That Guy is a Wally whoever he is!!

He's got no info. The Prop's mustn't have told him anything about it either LOL!!

Mixer looks great.


http://www.musotalk.de/software/video/article/propellerhead-record-review/


Bit concerned that the whole thing is going to be saved as one BIG self-contained file.. No folders or access to the Audio. Imagine if one of those files got corrupted? The whole file - Everything - would be gone. Haha! Madness.

Seems like The Props want to make it as hard as possible for you to work with other Programs.

ICN

Its on the Props W/site

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/record/



Release date - 09.09.09

Cost New - €299 (Seems like a LOT)

Edit - €129 if you already own Reason.



Dongle.

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/record/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=ignition_key

dav nagle

i am not sold on it using it with reason might be nice though

SeanHurley

looks like a bit of a gimmick to be honest.

fitz

Looks like Garageband with some extra features - comping, mixer, etc.
When you can get Logic Express for less money, and Logic Pro for not much more money...I can't see this appealing to anyone but Windows users. Add in the closed "all in one file" way it approaches the audio tracks, and I really can't see people switching to this.
Might get first time DAW purchasers due to easy of use...seems about 4 years too late tbh.

ICN

Looking at other Forums around.. even on the Prop's w/site.. there seems to be a fair bit of negativity & dare I say it (I will.. ) hostility about the whole situation.

I think a lot of people feel let down. It should have been Reason 5.

Its just that they've worked out a way (or so they think..) to milk money out of people inbetween versions in the middle of a recession.

As I said already - Its really "My First Daw" isnt it?


It'll be interesting to see how it goes.

There are 2 main types of Reason users.

1. Those who use nothing else.
2. Those who Rewire.

If you go onto the Props w/site.. there is a large community of users from the 1st catagory who have this "Closed" thinking. Kinda like Stockholm Syndrome! These are the people who will blindly buy anything that the Props release. Its hilarious reading some of the posts on the forums normally.. A lot of them have no idea that there is a world outside of Reason.

They're Mushrooms - Fed Sh it & kept in the dark!

The Rewire people will not give 2 Fcuks about it.

Aridstarling

Ha..."Smug engineers"..."No risk of getting lost"...

Really now, what are they expecting this to achieve?

woodsdenis

I think it looks pretty cool. You will only know how good the mixer is when you
actually try it. The big thing I noticed is no automation. Did I miss this?
major bummer i think. The exclusion of 3rd party stuff actually is a good idea
in terms of stability and being able to guarantee lack of compatibility issues.
To get the whole thing going to compete with LOGIC EXPRESS you need

Reason 4, Re-cord and the line6 box. How much would that be all together?

dav nagle

I agree that thi should have all been packaged into one big reason, Reason 5. Reason always has automation so I would be it's on Record.

ICN

woodsdenis wrote: »

I think it looks pretty cool. You will only know how good the mixer is when you
actually try it. The big thing I noticed is no automation. Did I miss this?
major bummer i think. The exclusion of 3rd party stuff actually is a good idea
in terms of stability and being able to guarantee lack of compatibility issues.
To get the whole thing going to compete with LOGIC EXPRESS you need

Reason 4, Re-cord and the line6 box. How much would that be all together?

Yup - There is automation in it alright.

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/record/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=arrange


They have a bundle deal Record Reason Duo (or will have..) with both Prog's for €535 anyway.

ICN

dav nagle wrote: »

I agree that thi should have all been packaged into one big reason, Reason 5. Reason always has automation so I would be it's on Record.

Reason 5 is going to be Reason Studio.

Recycle / Reason / ReCord and some other aul Yoke stuck on the end - Probably some kind of Spectrum Analysis tool called ReAdonly.

woodsdenis

Seems to be missing the obvious absolute/trim which is on the SSL which it is modeled on. I agree it seems a weird omission but you would think it should be on the mix window somewhere. Reason owners chime in on this one.


http://www.propellerheads.se/products/record/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=mix

woodsdenis

ICN wrote: »

Yup - There is automation in it alright.

AHA It looks like clip based automation like Logic had years ago. Pity it doesn't have a basic Track automation seeing as they have gone to the effort of building a mixer.

jtsuited

ICN wrote: »

Probably some kind of Spectrum Analysis tool called ReAdonly.

haha, that got a laugh out of me.

whoever is the head of Propellerheads should ReSign!

ICN

Yeah AND His Marketing Team / Advisors are ReTards.

There should be ReLentless RePrisals



Anyways..


Has Anyone signed up for the Beta yet?

I did - Interested to have a mess around & see what its like.

Iomega Man

Look what I found............




http://en.440tv.com/video.php/v/2681/Record-from-Propellerhead-Software

jtsuited

so looks like they're going for the 'Garageband for Windows' vibe.

fair enough i guess.

ICN

jtsuited wrote: »

so looks like they're going for the 'Garageband for Windows' vibe.

fair enough i guess.

Its an entertaining Video though! Good bit of Fun in it..


Have you seen Songsmith - That Program from MS?

I've never seen it mentioned here.. Maybe it has been

Fcuking AWFUL!

Microsoft Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTXG2uKNLIw&feature=PlayList&p=2284B61ADC33C144&index=0&playnext=1

YouTube Search for Cover Versions

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=songsmith&aq=f

ICN

Motorhead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg0l7f25bhU


Eminem (doesn't sound any different from his usual music)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xELyOB3biZ0&feature=related

Gwen Stefani (This is actually v.good!!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu44PDbYpTg&feature=related

jiltloop

ICN wrote: »

Hi JL

Yeah - I've been looking about..

There's supposed to be a media "lockdown" until Monday. Then they're allowed to talk about it. So there's very little official.. But the name "Re-cord" is out there.

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/05/09/propellerhead-record-oft-requested-reason-feature-will-be-an-entirely-new-tool/

Saw a couple of things where people are talking about 64bit.. Audio editing & manipulation features, a bit like Melodyne.

Dunno.. Have to wait until Monday. I'm interested to see what their "Angle" will be.

There is a countdown banner up on the Prop's w/site.. But no info.

http://www.propellerheads.se/

Actually, I'm surprised that this the first reply on my post. I thought that there would be a bit more interest over it.. but possibly there are not that many Reason users here??

You're obviously / probably a Reason user JL? Do you have it rewired into something else?

This Yoke would want to be pretty spectacular to get people to buy it if they already use Cubase or Logic or whatever! Best of luck to them!

Yeah I've been a Reason user for about 6 years I suppose. I've used it exclusively for most of that time mostly because of my pc and it's lack of power. But recently I have changed to Reaper and am trying to get away from Reason altogether. But I still find Reason alot easier to make beats on because its sequencer is so easy to use and it makes it alot easier to get ideas down. But I'm just not happy with sound results from Reason anymore hence the change of direction. Now that I'm veering away from Reason I couldn't see myself doing a U-turn and considering going back to using Reason along with Record.