Cotto Vs Clottey

joker77

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New York’s most popular fighter, three-time world champion MIGUEL COTTO, returns to the Big Apple, risking his World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight title, to take on International Boxing Federation (IBF) welterweight champion JOSHUA CLOTTEY in a rumble to determine the true world welterweight champion, Promoted by Top Rank, the Cotto vs. Clottey World Welterweight Championship will take place Saturday, June 13 at Madison Square Garden. The fight will be broadcast live on HBO World Championship Boxing, beginning at 10:35 p.m. ET/ 7:35 p.m. PT.

Cotto has a new trainer for this fight, after a big split with his former trainer and uncle

nacho libre

hmm.. this one could be close enough. i think Pacman should forget about fighting Cotto, should Cotto win this fight.

joepenguin

I know its just hype but number one man at welter has to be mosely. Cotto and Clottey both recently won vacant titles although they are 2 of the top guys anyway.

Do Setanta have this fight?

cowzerp

Many believe that cotto is the man to beat at welter, mosley v cotto would be a good fight..

joker77

Yea I for 1 think Cotto is the man to beat still. Williams won't be seen at welter again

joepenguin

Technically speaking its Mosely as he beat Marg who beat Cotto. Although there is this issue of the plaster, did he have it for the cotto fight or not? Cotto was winning the fight until being stopped.

Since their fight in 2007 Mosely has beaten Mayorga and Margarito picking up Cottos old title in the process.

Cotto has beaten Jennings and Alfonzo Gomez. Both fights were seen as gimmes and he lost to Margarito although a tad questionable considering what we know now.

joker77

joepenguin wrote: »

Technically speaking its Mosely as he beat Marg who beat Cotto. Although there is this issue of the plaster, did he have it for the cotto fight or not? Cotto was winning the fight until being stopped.

Since their fight in 2007 Mosely has beaten Mayorga and Margarito picking up Cottos old title in the process.

Cotto has beaten Jennings and Alfonzo Gomez. Both fights were seen as gimmes and he lost to Margarito although a tad questionable considering what we know now.

Technically speaking Cotto schooled Mosley!

Cotto has been beaten once, by a guy who has since been proved to be a cheat.

I can't see how you can look past him, to be honest.

cowzerp

joker77 wrote: »

Cotto has been beaten once, by a guy who has since been proved to be a cheat.

I can't see how you can look past him, to be honest.

True about the cheat but it did not make him a better fighter, it just meant he would not get injured while using his power, he well beat cotto and i dont credit the wraps for it at all..

joker77

cowzerp wrote: »

True about the cheat but it did not make him a better fighter, it just meant he would not get injured while using his power, he well beat cotto and i dont credit the wraps for it at all..

Yea I know what you're saying, but if Margarito had those wraps on, his hands would have been a lot heavier and Cotto wouldn't have been able to walk through his shots as easily. It's something we'll never know, but what we do know for a fact is Cotto's only loss was to a proven cheat. In my book, that makes him the man to beat, and seeing the only guy he really hasn't faced at this weight is Williams, who has since moved up in weight, he's the man at welter for me.
Mayweather deserves a mention here as well, but I don't think that's going to happen till next year if they both remain unbeaten till then

joepenguin

joker77 wrote: »

Technically speaking Cotto schooled Mosley!

Cotto has been beaten once, by a guy who has since been proved to be a cheat.

I can't see how you can look past him, to be honest.

I dont look past Cotto and consider him a close number 2. He did beat Mosely, from what ive seen of the fight it was competitive.

The WBA belt is the closest thing we have to a linear title in this division.

Cotto recentyl won a vacant, so did clottey which is vacant again. Berto picked up mayweathers vacated wbc title.

The WBA title: Cotto won the vacant title in 2006 against Quintana. He defended it against Urkal, Judah, Mosely and Gomez, lost it to Margarito (the belt mysetriously became the wba super at this point) who lost it ot Mosely.

The WBC title: Berto picked up the vacant title(vacated by pbf) by beating Miguel Angel Rodriguez last year. He has since defended it against Luis Collazo who lost to Mosely previously and Steve Forbes who lost to De La Hoya the fight before. He is set to defend against light welterweight Juan Urango in a couple of weeks.

The WBO title: Cotto beat Jennings for this a few months back and defends against Clottey in a few weeks. The title was vacated by Paul Williams to move up in weight.

The IBF title:Clottey beat Judah for the title which was vacated by Margarito who chose to fight Cotto instead. Clottey has also been stripped for fighting Cotto. Cotto must feel awful insulted!!!

joepenguin

joker77 wrote: »

Yea I know what you're saying, but if Margarito had those wraps on, his hands would have been a lot heavier and Cotto wouldn't have been able to walk through his shots as easily. It's something we'll never know, but what we do know for a fact is Cotto's only loss was to a proven cheat. In my book, that makes him the man to beat, and seeing the only guy he really hasn't faced at this weight is Williams, who has since moved up in weight, he's the man at welter for me.
Mayweather deserves a mention here as well, but I don't think that's going to happen till next year if they both remain unbeaten till then

Mayweather hasnt fought a proper welterweight since Baldomir in 2006, before that he beat Judah and Sharmba Mitchell.
In 2007 he fought a past prime De La Hoya at light middle and light welter Ricky Hatton albeit at 147.

When he steps up to Cotto, Margarito and Mosely (I would favour him in any of these fights mind), then he can be considered a force at the weight. He's fighting a small lightweight at 143, doesnt cut it to be considered the best. He's back for the money, ill enjoy his fights and all that goes with it but thats as far as it goes.

No-one knows how Cotto-Margarito would have panned out if it wasnt for the wraps and I dont think it has actually been proven. I do think that Cotto will regain his number one spot at welter. Shane is just looking for the big fights now as he's 37. Thats understandable.

Cotto may be the best but as of now he's not the man imo. I agree with all the points you have made though. Just interprate them slightly differently.

joker77

joepenguin wrote: »

Mayweather hasnt fought a proper welterweight since Baldomir in 2006, before that he beat Judah and Sharmba Mitchell.
In 2007 he fought a past prime De La Hoya at light middle and light welter Ricky Hatton albeit at 147.

When he steps up to Cotto, Margarito and Mosely (I would favour him in any of these fights mind), then he can be considered a force at the weight. He's fighting a small lightweight at 143, doesnt cut it to be considered the best. He's back for the money, ill enjoy his fights and all that goes with it but thats as far as it goes.

No-one knows how Cotto-Margarito would have panned out if it wasnt for the wraps and I dont think it has actually been proven. I do think that Cotto will regain his number one spot at welter. Shane is just looking for the big fights now as he's 37. Thats understandable.

Cotto may be the best but as of now he's not the man imo. I agree with all the points you have made though. Just interprate them slightly differently.

Understood - Mayweather hasn't really faced anyone at welter, but I think he's back for more than money, and will face them early next year. All going well for Mayweather, he beats Marquez, then Pacquiao, then faces a top challenger at welter early-ish next year. That top challenger, if he remains unbeaten until then, I think will be Cotto. Whether he remains unbeaten is a big if.

I take your points earlier about Mosley being the linear champ, I'm just not happy about the way he got it - nothing to do with him - all down to Margarito.

Mayweather, being Mayweather, will like Mosley only be looking for 'mega' fights, after this one which is essentially a tune up. Not being disrespectful to Marquez, but it's a big ask to move up that weight and face someone like Mayweather.

joepenguin

joker77 wrote: »

Mayweather, being Mayweather, will like Mosley only be looking for 'mega' fights, after this one which is essentially a tune up. Not being disrespectful to Marquez, but it's a big ask to move up that weight and face someone like Mayweather.

Defo and its sucha pity, this would have made a great super featherweight or lighweight fight. Pity they were in different division. Marquez has a good pucnhers chance and hopefully he is getting a lot of dollars for it.

Cotto-Mayweather would be awesome.

ODD-JOB

joker77 wrote: »

Technically speaking Cotto schooled Mosley!

Cotto did nothing of the sort !
Only that idiot setanta commentator who knows swee f/a about boxing layed claim to that statement. and the blind followed.

Mosley aint never been legit hurt in his entire career, Cotto was on the run from shane the last 3 rounds .

Shane dont fade on the stretch, and i couldnt believe my ears listening to setanta that night.
Mosley was far classier than cotto all night long.

With regaurds to Margarito , .......
Mosley took less than half a dozen clean shots from tony during the entire fight.
Cotto got battered stiff by tony, wether tony had hardened wraps or not , cotto got hit clean far far too many times !

Neither Mosley nor cotto wore plaster paris , and Mosley was the one to land the bombs and Knock that m/fcuker on his ass.
Cotto couldnt do it , but shane found it with great ease.

Conclusion , Mosley is the more powerful and more skilled fighter , and importantly got a lot more in the tank in the later rounds.

The fight was decided on a single round.
I thought Shane won it , so did he and Cotto wouldnt go near the rematch even though it wwas easily one of the best fights of the year !

Cotto instead took 2 of the easiest fights out there with alfonso gomez , and mick jennings in a joke of a bout.

Mosley went on to fight above his weight against the ultimite tough nut Mayorga , and the 2nd ultimate tough nut Margarito who was dubbed the unstoppable , with bookies giving 16/1 for a mosley KO in any round.

The comparison of the 2 is really quite lobsided.

And as far as Clottey goes , ... he's taylor made to KO cotto in the late late rounds here.
Put all the bul**** hype aside and look at the fights theough a clean pair of eyes.

ODD-JOB

And i'll tell you somethong else for free,....
Pac-Man v Mosley fight is the most likely match to take place out of all the fighters in contention .

I cant wait to drop 2 weeks wages on Sugar Shane to KO this kid.
I love Manny but Im afraid this slice of cake just that bit too sweet for the fillipino.

And when Mosley beats him he still wot get the recognition he deserves.

Statement reserved with a plot .

joker77

ODD-JOB wrote: »

Cotto did nothing of the sort !
Only that idiot setanta commentator who knows swee f/a about boxing layed claim to that statement. and the blind followed.

Mosley aint never been legit hurt in his entire career, Cotto was on the run from shane the last 3 rounds .

Shane dont fade on the stretch, and i couldnt believe my ears listening to setanta that night.
Mosley was far classier than cotto all night long.

With regaurds to Margarito , .......
Mosley took less than half a dozen clean shots from tony during the entire fight.
Cotto got battered stiff by tony, wether tony had hardened wraps or not , cotto got hit clean far far too many times !

Neither Mosley nor cotto wore plaster paris , and Mosley was the one to land the bombs and Knock that m/fcuker on his ass.
Cotto couldnt do it , but shane found it with great ease.

Conclusion , Mosley is the more powerful and more skilled fighter , and importantly got a lot more in the tank in the later rounds.

The fight was decided on a single round.
I thought Shane won it , so did he and Cotto wouldnt go near the rematch even though it wwas easily one of the best fights of the year !

Cotto instead took 2 of the easiest fights out there with alfonso gomez , and mick jennings in a joke of a bout.

Mosley went on to fight above his weight against the ultimite tough nut Mayorga , and the 2nd ultimate tough nut Margarito who was dubbed the unstoppable , with bookies giving 16/1 for a mosley KO in any round.

The comparison of the 2 is really quite lobsided.

And as far as Clottey goes , ... he's taylor made to KO cotto in the late late rounds here.
Put all the bul**** hype aside and look at the fights theough a clean pair of eyes.

Rant over?

Mosley was far classier than Cotto all night long? We must have been watching a different fight.

Mosley WAS a more powerful and skillful fighter, but at this stage, he's slowed. That wouldn't matter against a fighter like Margarito, or Mayorga - 2 fighters that are going to walk onto him in straight lines - his class won him the fights. But where he needs speed as well, sorry, but at this stage of his career he loses.

ODD-JOB wrote: »

And i'll tell you somethong else for free,....
Pac-Man v Mosley fight is the most likely match to take place out of all the fighters in contention .

I cant wait to drop 2 weeks wages on Sugar Shane to KO this kid.
I love Manny but Im afraid this slice of cake just that bit too sweet for the fillipino.

And when Mosley beats him he still wot get the recognition he deserves.

Statement reserved with a plot .

This is flame bait. Mosley doesn't get the recognition? Off who?

ODD-JOB

joker77 wrote: »

Rant over?

Sorry , I do get carried away sometimes !!

joker77 wrote: »

But where he needs speed as well, sorry, but at this stage of his career he loses.

Sugar Shane's one of the best counter puncher's in the game. what he's lost in speed he has retained in timing.
Timing conquers speed all day long.
Regardless , if you can watch Mosley Margarito , u see he still had the same blinding speed in the last round as he did in the first round.

I still put Manny as #1 P4P .......
but he cant beat everybody at any weight , Mosley at 147 is too far a step.

On the other point, Sugar Shane is always put in as underdog in the big fights ,he dosent get the same bulsiht hype that the hatton, mayweather , pavlik , margarito , cotto , haye , calzaghe etc. all that circle that dont deserve such lavish attention

Theres a new super-hype favourite every month , and half of them get exposed and forgotten just as quick.

I think it odd to see the same people who bigged up cotto , then slate him after he got ko'd.
same with pavlik , who was the greatest thing since the slice-pan for a while