Leo Cullen a puppet?

curts82

I feel the real captain of Leinster is BOD. Munster deserved a yellow around the time FC was injured and BOD was on Cullen's case bout going to the ref. when he did and came back you could see BOD was unhappy! I see in other post's BOD callin em off from the lap of honour cause they won nothing yet.

anonymous_joe

BOD was Leinster cap for a long time too.

I think Cullen's been fantastic as a captain, but you try being captain instead of O'Driscoll. It's like the Ireland gig, there's no way you can shut O'Connell up (and you wouldn't want to) so they end up de facto co-captains.

thebaz

I thought Cullen was brilliant, on form should be in next Irish team in place of O'Callaghan, carried himself brillianty, could have made a huge thing about the gouging

Serenity Now!

Gossip like this can be so trite.

Cullen is a previous captain of the UK's most successful rugby union side.

And there was nothing wrong with Leinster thanking their supporters afterwards for being part of a momentous win. Happens in every sport.

thehighground

curts82 wrote: »

I feel the real captain of Leinster is BOD. Munster deserved a yellow around the time FC was injured and BOD was on Cullen's case bout going to the ref. when he did and came back you could see BOD was unhappy! I see in other post's BOD callin em off from the lap of honour cause they won nothing yet.

As a matter of interest, what had (the whole of?) Munster done to deserve a yellow 'around the time FC was injured'?

If you think that some Munster caused FC's injury, then Cullen got it right, because ther was no Munster player anywhere near FC when he tore his ligaments.

Tim Robbins

It's a bit stupid calling a player a puppet. End of.

subfreq

thehighground wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what had (the whole of?) Munster done to deserve a yellow 'around the time FC was injured'?

If you think that some Munster caused FC's injury, then Cullen got it right, because ther was no Munster player anywhere near FC when he tore his ligaments.

+1

RuggieBear

thehighground wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what had (the whole of?) Munster done to deserve a yellow 'around the time FC was injured'?

It was just after elsom's break...a munster player (I think it was Wallace) handled the ball on the ground from the wrong side and basically slowed it up...the ref gave a penalty (the one Sexton subsequently kicked). Owens asked his touch judge did he get the number but neither of them saw who had committed the offense. It probably would have been a yellow if they had gotten the number.

danthefan

RuggieBear wrote: »

It was just after elsom's break...a munster player (I think it was Wallace) handled the ball on the ground from the wrong side and basically slowed it up...the ref gave a penalty (the one Sexton subsequently kicked). Owens asked his touch judge did he get the number but neither of them saw who had committed the offense. It probably would have been a yellow if they had gotten the number.

I was screaming for a card after that have to say.

timmywex

Bod has so much more expirience as captain, he is just teaching cullen a b
it, helping him along imo!

Jackz

timmywex wrote: »

Bod has so much more expirience as captain, he is just teaching cullen a b
it, helping him along imo!

Don't forget Leo captained our opposition in the final.

John_C

Leo and BOD were in school together. I'd say they get on OK.

NickNolte

Jackz wrote: »

Don't forget Leo captained our opposition in the final.

It's certainly a good advantage to have... but remember that Geordan Murphy will also know what to expect from a lot of the Leinster lads!

Sabre0001

NickNolte wrote: »

It's certainly a good advantage to have... but remember that Geordan Murphy will also know what to expect from a lot of the Leinster lads!

I don't think the post was to indicate an advantage...More than Cullen is more than capable of leading a team in his own right as captain without a "puppetmaster".

Chucky the tree

First year as captain he wins the ML, second year he takes them to the HEC cup final. He's a much better captain then BOD he and it's the reason he replaced him.

figs86

Chucky the tree wrote: »

First year as captain he wins the ML, second year he takes them to the HEC cup final. He's a much better captain then BOD he and it's the reason he replaced him.

I think you'll find BOD was still captain when Leinster won the Magners League last year.

And it's not like he left the club in the meantime, he is a huge presence on the field that Cullen has the benefit of.

Cullen is a good captain, but don't embellish the truth.

Chucky the tree

figs86 wrote: »

I think you'll find BOD was still captain when Leinster won the Magners League last year.

And it's not like he left the club in the meantime, he is a huge presence on the field that Cullen has the benefit of.

Cullen is a good captain, but don't embellish the truth.

You're right, BOD missed the majority of matches from injury though didnt he? He's a great captain and a much better one then BOD.

interesting2006

cullen led like a captain. look at kick offs which have been dodgy for irish teams in the past, cullen took them superbly. after each score it was imperative leinster took a clean kick off and cullen did that. Bod is off on international duty at times throughout the year and maybe he was picked as captain because he wasn't in the irish squad and they wanted a captain to be there all the time. Finally he captained one of the most successful teams in northern hemisphere rugby in leicester so its fairly save to say he does something right.

themont85

Chucky the tree wrote: »

You're right, BOD missed the majority of matches from injury though didnt he? He's a great captain and a much better one then BOD.

BOD led Ireland to their first slam in 61 years, 3 other Triple Crowns and some great wins over SH teams. He is the most succesful captain we've ever had.

Leo helped lead Leicster through a season they won the domestic double and to a HC final. Now he has led Leinster finally to a final.

Both are superb captains. I don't know how you can definativly one is better than the other. All i know is we're lucky to have both, just as Ireland were to have POC and BOD.

Podge_irl

figs86 wrote: »

I think you'll find BOD was still captain when Leinster won the Magners League last year.

And it's not like he left the club in the meantime, he is a huge presence on the field that Cullen has the benefit of.

Cullen is a good captain, but don't embellish the truth.

BOD missed much of the season though. I always thought Cullen's influence that year was more important. I'd tend to agree with Chucky, Cullen is a better captain than BOD in my view, though there is not a lot in it and Leinster are lucky to have both.

thomond2006

Leo Cullen a Puppet?

FFS Lads, this isn't the soap opera of Premier League soccer. That sounds like some stupid headline that SSN would use to drag out their extremely repetitive problem for 24 hours a day. Like so:

"Rumours circling Sky Sports News that Leo Cullen was made captain of Leinster at the start of the season due to the fact that coach Michael Chieka wanted to use him as a puppet to control Brian O' Driscoll's fetish of being captain and making all the headlines" or some BS like that.

Chucky the tree

themont85 wrote: »

BOD led Ireland to their first slam in 61 years, 3 other Triple Crowns and some great wins over SH teams. He is the most succesful captain we've ever had.

Leo helped lead Leicster through a season they won the domestic double and to a HC final. Now he has led Leinster finally to a final.

Both are superb captains. I don't know how you can definativly one is better than the other. All i know is we're lucky to have both, just as Ireland were to have POC and BOD.

The fact Cheika gave the captaincy to cullen says alot to me. I'm not knocking BOD but If BOD was a better captain I'm sure he would of remained captain.

danthefan

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The fact Cheika gave the captaincy to cullen says alot to me. I'm not knocking BOD but If BOD was a better captain I'm sure he would of remained captain.

Actually the players chose their captain once BOD decided to stand down.

NickNolte

Sabre0001 wrote: »

I don't think the post was to indicate an advantage...More than Cullen is more than capable of leading a team in his own right as captain without a "puppetmaster".

I'd agree.

NickNolte

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The fact Cheika gave the captaincy to cullen says alot to me.

Cheika didn't give the captaincy to Cullen. I don't really know what you're getting at here but if you don't even know how the system works and aren't privvy to the internal dynamics of the Leinster camp then you should probably keep your opinion to yourself lest you be accused of being ill-informed.

justsomebloke

Leo is a fantastic captain plus we also have the benefit of his misfortune not to get a regualr Ireland place, so week in week out he is on the field giving a captains performance. Truthfully I feel BOD suffered as Leinster captain with a few sub standard seasons of performance given his potential but now that he doesn't have it hanging over him he once again seems to have upped his game.

That said having 2 potential captains on the field with one in the backs and one in the forwards is a great advantage for any team

curts82

If you think that some Munster caused FC's injury, then Cullen got it right, because ther was no Munster player anywhere near FC when he tore his ligaments.[/quote]

Thats where your wrong. as he fell he was tackled!! I never mentioned anyone injuring FC. I saw what happened there!
Some fair points like Captain in the backs and in the forwards and also that he wasn't in the international side and captain week in week out!! All it was a point/statement cant understand why some had to have a go at it!

curts82

RuggieBear wrote: »

It was just after elsom's break...a munster player (I think it was Wallace) handled the ball on the ground from the wrong side and basically slowed it up...the ref gave a penalty (the one Sexton subsequently kicked). Owens asked his touch judge did he get the number but neither of them saw who had committed the offense. It probably would have been a yellow if they had gotten the number.

Not only did he handle on the ground he also went off his feet!! and it was Wally

dingbat

Silly thread. Cullen's a fantastic captain.

Jack Sheehan

Other than that he's a fantastic captain.