USA and Canada summer tour

chupacabra

The summer tour is only 3 weeks away now. And now that we know who cant go, who should be our squad heading over? Here's my take, keeping in mind that Kidney is using this tour for development purposes (in the pack especially)

1. Brett Wilkinson/Tom Court
2. Sean Cronin/Denis Fogarty/Rory Best
3. Mike Ross/Tony Buckley
4. Ryan Caldwell
5. Donnacha Ryan
6. NOT Stephen Ferris
7. David Pollock
8. John Muldoon

9. Eoin Reddan/Isacc Boss/Paul O'Donohoe
10. Ian Humphries/Ian Keatley
11. Mark McCrea/Ian Dowling
12. Paddy Wallace/Ian Whitten
13. Darren Cave
14. Fionn Carr
15. Gavin Duffy

Decent representation from each province, Trimble out due to a knee operation and Leamey might be called into the Lions squad if Quinlan gets a ban. I'd prefer to see Cronin starting ahead of Best or Fogarty in the interest of development and Gavin Duffy deserves his place at FB.

NU8

I reckon Healy, Toner and Sexton will all be involved aswell. Healy definitely will after his performances in the HC for Leinster this season.

Will be quite the feat for Stepen ferris to play for the lions and in the summer tour

Podge_irl

NU8 wrote: »

I reckon Healy, Toner and Sexton will all be involved aswell. Healy definitely will after his performances in the HC for Leinster this season.

No Leinster players will be involved as the tour clashes with the HEC final.

funky penguin

When is the tour exactly?

NickNolte

funky penguin wrote: »

When is the tour exactly?

The first match against Canada is on the same day as the Heineken Cup final... 23rd May. I think.

chupacabra

Deleted User wrote: »

Will be quite the feat for Stepen ferris to play for the lions and in the summer tour

Haha whoops, i wasnt thinking :pac:

NU8

Podge_irl wrote: »

No Leinster players will be involved as the tour clashes with the HEC final.

Sorry, didn't realise that. It's a pity because there's a few Leinster players that really deserve Ireland caps. Still, I'm sure they would rather play in the HC final.

Podge_irl

It is a bit of a shame. Would really like to have seen Sexton and Healy especially get some international games, but they will hopefully get a chance in the Autumn.

Orizio

O'Donohoe/Keatley for 9/10 defintely imo, two of the best young prospects in the country.

I certainly like the sound of a Wallace/Cave midfield.

danthefan

NU8 wrote: »

Sorry, didn't realise that. It's a pity because there's a few Leinster players that really deserve Ireland caps. Still, I'm sure they would rather play in the HC final.

Absolutely. Healy and Sexton MUST be capped in the Autumn.

anonymous_joe

Johnny O'Connor anyone? Great player when on form. Deserves a bit of time in the Ireland set up again.

SomeFool

I'd like to see Neil Best and Roger Wilson included, both on good form with Northampton. Could argue for Downey in the center and J.Murphy on the wing tool but maybe the Churchill cup squad would be more like it for them.

P_1

SomeFool wrote: »

I'd like to see Neil Best and Roger Wilson included, both on good form with Northampton. Could argue for Downey in the center and J.Murphy on the wing tool but maybe the Churchill cup squad would be more like it for them.

Trouble is Best and Wilson will be playing in the Challenge Cup final with Northampton and will be unavailable for the tour.

The press is starting to look a bit bare for this tour between the Lions and the various finals.

SomeFool

pithater1 wrote: »

Trouble is Best and Wilson will be playing in the Challenge Cup final with Northampton and will be unavailable for the tour.

DOH!

anonymous_joe

When does the A-Team for the Churchill Cup get picked?

Nothing would have made me type squad.

I mean, with the Lions gone, Leinster busy, Northampton busy, possibly Leicester, there's not going to be a huge pool of players available.

Podge_irl

The Leinster players will be free for the Churchill Cup. Its the full internationals against USA and Canada that are the problem!

Moncti48

US Tour Team

15. Duffy
14. Carr
13. Cave
12. Wallace
11. Dowling
10. Keathly
9. Reddan

1. Court
2. Best
3. Ross
4. Caldwel
5. Ryan
6. Leamy
7. Pollock
8. Muldoon

16. Fogarty 17. Buckley 18. MOD 19. Ronan 20. Stringer 21. Humphs 22. _________(forgot Johne Murphy Cant Play)

Church hill Cup team

15.Hurley
14.Keogh
13.Barry Murphy
12.Matthews
11.McCrea
10.Sexton
9. Boss

1. Healy
2. Cronin
3. Ryan
4. Casey
5. Toner
6. Best
7. Jennings
8. O'Brien

16. Jackman 17. Wilkinson 18. Cullen 19. Wilson 20. O'Donoughue/F.Murphy 21.Niall O'Connor 22.Hurley

with Trimble injured i cant think of another winger

NU8

Church hill Cup team

15.Hurley/Murphy
14.Keogh
13.Barry Murphy
12.Matthews
11.
10.Humphs
9. Boss

1. Healy
2. Cronin
3. Ryan
4. Casey
5. Toner
6. Best
7. Jennings
8. O'Brien

16. Jackman 17. Wilkinson 18. Cullen 19. Wilson 20. O'Donoughue/F.Murphy 21.Sexton 22.Hurley/Murphy

with Trimble injured i cant think of another winger

Gary Brown? He's kinda old but there aren't many other options unless they play someone really young.

chupacabra

NU8 wrote: »

Gary Brown? He's kinda old but there aren't many other options unless they play someone really young.

Its ireland A, of course it will be someone young, probably McCrea or maybe McKinley.

Moncti48

chupacabra wrote: »

Its ireland A, of course it will be someone young, probably McCrea or maybe McKinley.

sorry thaught i had put McCrea in the first team, McCrea would be 11 definatly

danthefan

chupacabra wrote: »

Its ireland A, of course it will be someone young, probably McCrea or maybe McKinley.

McKinley is definitely not a winger.

chupacabra

Moncti48 wrote: »

sorry thaught i had put McCrea in the first team, McCrea would be 11 definatly

Also replace Dowling with Johne Murphy in your Summer tour team. :cool:

Moncti48

chupacabra wrote: »

Also replace Dowling with Johne Murphy in your Summer tour team. :cool:

i would however!!! i still cant see Johne Murphy getting a call up. would have thaught he would have made the A team for the 6 nations and he didnt so not quite sure what the guy has to do. And he made some stupid mistakes yesterday and Dowling is a regular starter for munster so thats why i chose him. However i wouldnt mind either way.

Theus

Johne Murphy can come so long as he doesn't play for more than 60 minutes. From what I saw yesterday it seems like he just crumbles after that point.

outwest

murphy cant get selected
playing the final with leicter.

wat bout croinin. didnt even make the bench.

eroo

Niall Ronan at no.7

[Jackass]

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Court
4. Caldwell
5. Casey (capt)
6. Ryan
7. Ronan
8. O'Brien

9. Reddan
10. Sexton
11. Trimble
12. Cave
13. McFadden
14. Johne Murphy
15. Geordan Murphy

16. Buckley
17. Jackman / Fogarty
18. Cullen
19. Quinlan
20. O'Donohoe
21. Keatley
22. Barry Murphy

Moncti48

[Jackass] wrote: »

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Court
4. Caldwell
5. Casey (capt)
6. Ryan
7. Ronan
8. O'Brien

9. Reddan
10. Sexton
11. Trimble
12. Cave
13. McFadden
14. Johne Murphy
15. Geordan Murphy

16. Buckley
17. Jackman / Fogarty
18. Cullen
19. Quinlan :rolleyes:
20. O'Donohoe
21. Keatley
22. Barry Murphy

Il assume this would be your Church hill cup team as most of those cant play. and Cave can only play 13..I wouldnt have him in the team atal unless he starts, hes not a utility back like Earls would be.

chupacabra

Moncti48 wrote: »

Il assume this would be your Church hill cup team as most of those cant play. and Cave can only play 13..I wouldnt have him in the team atal unless he starts, hes not a utility back like Earls would be.

Cave has played at 12 numerous times at underage level and is suited to that position. Agreed 13 is his strongest position but to say he can only play 13 is wrong.

sock puppet

Moncti48 wrote: »

Il assume this would be your Church hill cup team as most of those cant play. and Cave can only play 13..I wouldnt have him in the team atal unless he starts, hes not a utility back like Earls would be.

Who else would you have at 12? Cave has played 12 before. Wallace and Darcy are getting on so one of Cave or McFadden could end up playing 12 for Ireland.

Moncti48

Ive watch Cave alot and i feel he is better suited to 13 and will in my view be the next 13 for Ireland(Earls for me is not a 13)

Also i think Matthews right now i a better option, i no hes 26 but he has played alongside Cave before and they worked ok.

sock puppet

Moncti48 wrote: »

Ive watch Cave alot and i feel he is better suited to 13 and will in my view be the next 13 for Ireland(Earls for me is not a 13)

Also i think Matthews right now i a better option, i no hes 26 but he has played alongside Cave before and they worked ok.

For the moment maybe. Though McFadden has also played at 12 a bit. Just Matthews is hardly one for the future and 12 is a position we're struggling for replacements in.

Dev7

15 Duffy
14 Murphy
13 Cave
12 Wallace
11 Dowling
10 Keatley
9 Reddan
8 Leamy
7 Pollock
6 Ryan
5 Caldwell
4 O' Driscoll
3 Ross
2 Best (c)
1 Court

16 Cronin
17 Buckley
18 O Connor
19 Muldoon
20 Stringer
21 Carr
22 Hurley

SomeFool

They might try Downey at 12 in one of the Churchill games.

Moncti48

sock puppet wrote: »

For the moment maybe. Though McFadden has also played at 12 a bit. Just Matthews is hardly one for the future and 12 is a position we're struggling for replacements in.

We will probably get 2 more years out of Darcy/Wallace fighting for the 12 shirt. both are 29/30 so will say 2 years! as bad as THP is 2 find a replacement 12 could be a bigger problem. McFadden/Cave 2 13's one of them playing 12

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sounds like BOD and Darcy(one can only imgine if it worked that well) but would prefer to see a proper 12 come through the ranks. however theres a difference between me saying that and it actually happening!!

Podge_irl

I imagine the CC squad and full touring squad will be quite similar to be honest. Some older players will head home and some Leinster players will fly over, but there will be a lot of overlap.