Brazil Fazenda Cachoeira

Khannie

HOLY CRAP.

Quick! Get yourself some!

Mine just arrived. Roasted on the 29th so a bit bloom-y in the pour over. Looking forward to seeing how it matures.

I did a search on the forum to see if there were any previous mentions of it and got....

RE*AC*TOR wrote: »

I roasted some Cuba Turquino this week, as well as a new bean for me - Brazil Fazenda Cachoeira. The Brazil beat the pants off the Cuban for me.

I remember reading this and thinking "pfft. That Cuban's the best coffee I've ever had.". No more!

Gran Hermano

I'm another fan of it, think it was Reactor's post that pointed me in it's direction and I make sure I have a bag of it in the cupboard.

As for the Cuban, I still have a small amount of greens I'm hoping will
still be worth roasting when I get the Behmor.

alastair

We've an unopened bag of green here. Sounds promising!

eclectichoney

Aye tis fab! Got some about 6 weeks ago and must reorder. Couldn't get enough of it. Lovely in the french press.

RE*AC*TOR

A standard bearer of a coffee. Sweet, chocolate, nutty, kinda reminds me of nutella a bit. Very little in the way of acidity. Love it.

Khannie

RE*AC*TOR wrote: »

kinda reminds me of nutella a bit

Was just thinking this when I smelled it after grinding. I didn't even deliberately take a sniff.....the aroma of it was all around.

nyom. nyom. nyom. :pac:......

Mr Magnolia

Must add this to the next order, don't believe I've tried it.

Khannie

I'm drinking some now and I feel sorry for you.

Actually, I have a few bags. You're welcome to one as compensation for holding onto your aeropress for so long. I'm at home tomorrow and Tuesday, so if you're passing, drop in.

Mr Magnolia

Thanks Khannie, I doubt I'll be around those parts but if I'm passing I'll certainly give you a shout.

IsThatSo?

Thanks Placed an order, looking forward to trying it

Khannie

Fair play. Interested to hear what you think.

I've finished my first 250g bag and have moved on to the hasbean 4 bean blend. Just had 1 mug this morning but it didn't blow me away like the cachoeira did.

IsThatSo?

I am hoping my order will arrive today or tomorrow, am very impatient to try it, I don't do the delayed gratification thing very well

RE*AC*TOR

The Canario varietal from the same farm, is similar in flavour profile, but I found it was just a bit ... moreso.

If I remember correctly Canario is a close relative of Bourbon, but it has a lower yield, ie fewer cherries on the tree. So the hypothesis would be that the tree focuses its efforts on a smaller number of cherries/beans giving a better product.. (that's the theory anyway - might be bollox).

Clinker

RE*AC*TOR wrote: »

The Canario varietal from the same farm, is similar in flavour profile, but I found it was just a bit ... moreso.

If I remember correctly Canario is a close relative of Bourbon, but it has a lower yield, ie fewer cherries on the tree. So the hypothesis would be that the tree focuses its efforts on a smaller number of cherries/beans giving a better product.. (that's the theory anyway - might be bollox).

Interesting! I'm enjoying the Fazenda Cachoeira at the moment: I must bear the Canario in mind for my next order!

IsThatSo?

Ok, it got here late (too late really for me to have a go) BUT had one shot as just couldn't wait until tomorrow. However, I do think I am going to have to wait until tomorrow to get a proper taste and get it right. I need to play around with it, but certainly first taste was nice.............just not as "full" as I had hoped.

Have the Canario booked for the next order, tks RE*AC*TOR and want to try this one also....................any thoughts on it anyone?

https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/Bolivia-Machacamarca-BV-Maria-and-Mario-Andrade-2009.html

This too as am drinking a Sumatra from another supplier and love it..........anyone tried this one?

https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/Sumatra-Raja-Batak-Lingtong.html

RE*AC*TOR

IsThatSo? wrote: »

want to try this one also....................any thoughts on it anyone?

https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/Bolivia-Machacamarca-BV-Maria-and-Mario-Andrade-2009.html

That one's crap. Wouldn't bother with it.




/only joking - that's the coffee Colin used for the WBC. It's really excellent.

IsThatSo?

RE*AC*TOR wrote: »

that's the coffee Colin used for the WBC. It's really excellent.

Knew I had come across it before, just couldn't remember where

Gran Hermano

Reactor, noticed you mentioned on your site yourself and CH worked your way through numerous bags of beans with Steve. Any others of notable interest?

RE*AC*TOR

Brazil Inglatterra Toca da Onca Canario (now gone from the site) was a runner for a while.

He also made a blend which was 50% Hawaian Kona and 50% Cachoeira which was great.
It was very close to being the blend we took. They were all tasted blind - he just numbered them - so we didn't know what was in them when we tasted them. Quite surprised by that one. Didn't really stand up in milk though, great espresso.

Can't remember much more, but Colin has our tasting notes for all the blends, could dig em out.

IsThatSo?

Enjoying the Cachoeira more this morning..............its a nice coffee. Thanks for the heads up Khannie. Will be ordering the other beans I mentioned so can let you know how they are if you like (return the favour of good info and all that)

Khannie

Out of interest, how did you brew it? I'm 90% pour over at the moment so when I had a conniption and started this thread it was probably after having a mug from the pour over.

I also got some of the 4 bean blend. Wasn't lovin' it but it was nice.

And the premium espresso blend. Just started that this morning. Was a bit rushed so I wont comment on it now.

IsThatSo?

espresso machine, gaggia home model.

um, whats "pour over"?:o

I was only thinking last night that its time to expand my coffee experience and get a frenchpress/aeropress:) Must look into that.

I like the espresso blend from that supplier, its v good. Not tried the 4 bean yet.

Khannie

IsThatSo? wrote: »

um, whats "pour over"?:o

http://coffeegeek.com/guides/howtouseapourover

I think I bought mine on Mr. M's recommendation. Cheap as chips and a lovely way to brew. Makes a delicious mug of coffee. Similar flavour to the French press, but different.

IsThatSo?

So this is the "drip" I hear mentioned sometimes?

Where can I get my hands on one of these contraptions?:D Would this be one?

https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/Hario-Bloom-brewer.html

Theres a lot less fuss to this than using my espresso machine and I think for some coffees I might get a better result than the machine It would do nicely instead of an aeropress/frenchpress for now, although I know I will end up with all the bits eventually :pac:

Would I be right in thinking that this would also be a more "forgiving" way to make coffee for a newbie? I am thinking of getting this as a present for someone who is interested in good coffee but may not necessarily have the time or experience to consider a more expensive machine at the moment.

Thanks for info Khannie, much appreciated.

Magic Monkey

I bought some of this based on Khannie's endorsement and the reviews off the Has Bean site. It came today, and while I'm no coffee expert, I found this really delicious, espcially the fact that there is very low acidity.

I got the chocolate notes too, and am wondering do these develop from the pulped natural process? As drying the beans in some of the pulp, while skipping the fermentation stage, is similar to the fermentation process with cocoa beans in their pulp.

Either way, I'm going to try it cold-brewed in an overnight extraction for iced coffee, but as well to make coffee ice-cream, as that method should retain a lot of those chocolate and caramel flavours, which would be great in an ice-cream

Khannie

IsThatSo? wrote: »

So this is the "drip" I hear mentioned sometimes?

Where can I get my hands on one of these contraptions?:D Would this be one?

https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/Hario-Bloom-brewer.html

Ehm, I'm not sure to be honest. I have one of these and a jug to go with it. I got it in M&D's for around 25 quid iirc.

IsThatSo? wrote: »

Would I be right in thinking that this would also be a more "forgiving" way to make coffee for a newbie?

I'd say french press is probably slightly more forgiving, but yeah, this would be an easy way to get a nice brew.

IsThatSo? wrote: »

I am thinking of getting this as a present for someone who is interested in good coffee but may not necessarily have the time or experience to consider a more expensive machine at the moment.

I got mine when I started a thread on here to get the best mug of coffee I could for 100 euro. I was just starting out on my coffee adventure at the time and considered that a fairly hefty amount of cash to invest. I think it was Mr. M recommended the pour over and a decent grinder. I think it makes a savage mug, but I also really like the french press from time to time. For what it's worth: Dunnes have an 8mug french press for 15 euro at the moment.

For someone starting out, I think the biggest difference will be found with fresh ground coffee (instead of pre-ground supermarket gear). A proper grinder makes a frightening difference too, though I still use my whirly grinder in work.

IsThatSo? wrote: »

Thanks for info Khannie, much appreciated.

No problem at all.

IsThatSo?

The person I intend to give the Bloom Brewer to has a whirly grinder and is happy with that at the moment, and is using a french press. I will work on him getting a good grinder

I ordered the Bloom Brewers anyway, they are pretty much the same thing as the gold filter that you use, I should have them tomorrow and I am looking forward to trying it out

I ordered a selection of coffee also, including the Canario that RE*AC*TOR mentioned. It will be interesting to do a comparison taste test between the espresso machine and the bloom brewer......................oh happy days (babies will have to change their own nappies lol)

Khannie

I would say the french press would be more forgiving of a whirly grinder than the pour over because you can use a bit too much coffee and under-grind it but still get a decent extraction with the whirly and a french press (this is all IMO, but from experience). I think the pour over would benefit greatly from a more consistent grind.

For what it's worth: My wife said that this mornings coffee wasn't up to scratch, despite it being the Cachoiera! :eek: The only thing that had changed was that I used the French press this morning.

IsThatSo?

Khannie wrote: »

I would say the french press would be more forgiving of a whirly grinder than the pour over because you can use a bit too much coffee and under-grind it but still get a decent extraction with the whirly and a french press (this is all IMO, but from experience). I think the pour over would benefit greatly from a more consistent grind.

For what it's worth: My wife said that this mornings coffee wasn't up to scratch, despite it being the Cachoiera! :eek: The only thing that had changed was that I used the French press this morning.

I getcha

I like my bloom brewer though, nice cup of coffee.

Got my order yesterday with the three new coffees, looking forward to trying them, will be opening a Machacamarca and really looking forward to it. Will be after RE*AC*TOR and CH will a rolling pin if its awful :P

Interesting about the Cachoiera and the French Press. I take it Mrs Khannie likes her good coffee :pac: Get it together man!!

eclectichoney

Ah boys - from my experience it works absolutely lovely in the French Press! One of my top two favourites atm.

RE*AC*TOR

Tell your friend that he's living a lie. He has nice coffee, a nice brewer and a **** grinder.

It's one step away from a much better brew.

The bloom brewer uses a cloth filter, which I like, it allows fewer particles through compared to swiss gold, but allows oils and body through, unlike paper.

The only thing is cleaning them. Immediately after use rinse thoroughly under hot water, then store in cold water, in a ziplock bag in the fridge.

Every 3/4 uses then boil in sodium percarbonate to bring it back to spotless.

Sodium percarbonate = http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Products/Laundry/20050711+bleekmiddel+UK.htm

Khannie

That sounds like a lot of effort for very little benefit. The gick in the bottom of my mug from the swiss gold doesn't bother me any more. I'll probably still buy one with my next order from hasbean though.

Khannie

IsThatSo? wrote: »

I take it Mrs Khannie likes her good coffee :pac:

I have created a monster.

IsThatSo? wrote: »

Get it together man!!

Oi! Cheeky!

eclectichoney wrote: »

Ah boys - from my experience it works absolutely lovely in the French Press! One of my top two favourites atm.

Ah she was right if I'm honest. It was only moderate on the morning in question. I'll be trying it again, but I'd say I just arsed up the brew somehow. This morning we used the pour over and it was back to pure savagery. NYOM. :pac:.... NYOM :pac:.... NYOM :pac:....

IsThatSo?

RE*AC*TOR wrote: »

Every 3/4 uses then boil in sodium percarbonate to bring it back to spotless.

Sodium percarbonate = http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Products/Laundry/20050711+bleekmiddel+UK.htm

Ummmm............thats by 11am :pac:

I am very pleased with the results I am getting using the bloom brewer, I am just fiddling with the amount of coffee that goes in as I was used to judging by the portafilter basket on my espresso machine. My MDF is a doser model so can't really use a measuring spoon and certainly don't want to grind lots and leave it sitting around in another container in order to use a measuring spoon. I will figure it out though.

Its a quicker way to make the coffee too, in comparison to the machine, which means more time to drink more coffee

@ Khannie.........Mrs K would like the "more time more coffee" angle I think

I didn't try the new coffee in the end as wanted to adjust to the new method with a coffee I know well. I should be ready for the new beans by the weekend.

Mr IsThatSo? will be handed his coffee from the bloom at the weekend, so have to have it perfected by then

Khannie

IsThatSo? wrote: »

will be opening a Machacamarca and really looking forward to it.

Well.....What's the verdict?

I just placed another order. Got 2 bags of the Machacamarca and 2 sidamo decaf (along with a Kilo of the Cachoeira.....still can't get over the deliciousness of that stuff). The machamacamacamacamacamacamarca is quite a bit more expensive (50%) than the Cachoeira. Still only works out a little bit more expensive than supermarket gear, even when you factor in delivery.

IsThatSo?

Khannie wrote: »

Well.....What's the verdict?

I just placed another order. Got 2 bags of the Machacamarca and 2 sidamo decaf (along with a Kilo of the Cachoeira.....still can't get over the deliciousness of that stuff). The machamacamacamacamacamacamarca is quite a bit more expensive (50%) than the Cachoeira. Still only works out a little bit more expensive than supermarket gear, even when you factor in delivery.

All I can say is :eek: Its a great coffee, I will definately be getting more of it. It tastes better at the lower end of the temperature range, its very smooth and chocolatey. Luckily I got 2 bags

Re the bloom brewer being too much work, its not, not for me anyway. I have been using that all the time since I got it so don't really have the storage issues as its constantly wet :pac: I am not that fussed about the sock being a coffee colour either, I just rinse it after I use it and leave it damp in the pot and it doesn't dry out overnight. Go for it, its not an expensive mistake if you don't like it as a brewing method.

Khannie

Sounds about the same amount of effort as the gold filter. Kinda forgot to order one with this order. I'll get one with the next one.

RE*AC*TOR

Coffee oils will eventually go rancid.

Khannie

Sure they wont get a chance to stick around if it's used frequently enough.

You worry too much.

IsThatSo?

Good point RE*AC*TOR, hadn't thought of that.

So, given that its being used 5 or 6 times a day would giving it that wash out you suggested be ok once a week or so?

As Khannie said, its being used often.............mind you there is no reason that I couldn't boil it every night :cool: It wouldn't be that much effort in fairness. Would be willing to do that to preserve the taste of good coffee lol

RE*AC*TOR

Once a week would probably be ok. You'll know yourself when it starts to affect the taste.

Make sure you give it a good rinse after you use the ecover though.

IsThatSo?

Hhhmmm............would boiling it in a water/vinegar solution work? Sounds like a dumb question but am not pushed about the colour of the sock, more focused on the rancid oils issue and vinegar would rinse easily and even if it didn't it wouldn't poison me

RE*AC*TOR

vinegar is actually quite a tough flavour to get rid of.

They have that stuff in most supermarkets - I use it on my vacpot cloth filter all the time. When I say a good rinse, it's probably only 30 seconds. Doesn't have much of a smell or taste itself, just not something you probably should consume.

Khannie

Drinking the machacamarca now. This is my 4th mug since it arrived yesterday afternoon. Works a lot better in the french press than the pour over IMO. Very nice stuff. I'll buy it again, but I would find it hard to recommend it over the cachoiera.

IsThatSo?

I flew through my two bags, and loved every cup. I haven't gone the french press route (yet) on any coffee but was happy with it from the pour over. Different tastes etc I will open the Canario this week (sister coffee to cachoiera??).

Re cleaning the drip sock on the bloom brewer I boiled it in water with some white vinegar and bread soda in it (I have this eco-cleaning thing going in our house!!) and it did a great job. Rinsed well so no problems with aftertaste. It brought the colour up too, although not back to "new".

Whats the difference in grind for pour over and french press?

Khannie

Slightly finer grind for the pour over. I use the same grind tbh, just let my french press brew slightly less than the recommended 4 minutes.