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30-04-2009 9:59pm#1
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Rat traps, fair enough if you really have to but please don't put down ANY poison. It is a horrible death and generally is not quick.
Rats feel exactly the same pain you and I feel so please think carefuly before condemning it to an excrutiating 12 hours before it dies!
Alternatively, you could buy a plug in rodent deterant. My brother lived in a house that was surrounded by rats and swears by them.
Woody's sell them. 0 -
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The rats here were getting brave too so we adopted a pair of not tame cats from a colony being relocated in Dun Laoighaire and they patrol the garden for me
I don't know if they've caught any yet but they're a great rat deterrent and that's enough for me. 0 -
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Lauragoesmad wrote: »Rat traps, fair enough if you really have to but please don't put down ANY poison. It is a horrible death and generally is not quick. Rats feel exactly the same pain you and I feel so please think carefuly before condemning it to an excrutiating 12 hours before it dies!
Alternatively, you could buy a plug in rodent deterant. My brother lived in a house that was surrounded by rats and swears by them. Woody's sell them.
Use a cage trap and release your furry guest somewhere else not too far from food or use a something guaranteed to dispatch him quickly.
Cats are probably just as bad to have around kids , carry lots of stuff
"Cat Scratch Disease (called Cat Scratch Fever in the UK) is caused by the bacteria Bartonella henselae (formerly called Rochalimaea henselae). Despite its British common name, it does not usually cause fever. The bacteria is carried by cat fleas. Cat Scratch Disease causes systemic illness and lymph node lesions and can be very serious in individuals with poor immune response."
Kid leaves furry toy outside , cat sleeps on it/plays with it etc
"Helicobacter pylori is also found in cats. This organism causes gastric ulcers in humans and the cat-human link caused panic among cat owners in the mid 1990s. It is found in the stomach. It has been suggested that it may be transmitted to humans if a cat walks across a food preparation area which is then not disinfected before food is next prepared on it. Simple hygiene, including keeping cats off of counters, is recommended though it isn't known what percentage of cats carry helicobacter."
Kid put food down on outdoor table ...
"Cats acquire Toxoplasma infection by ingesting infected prey. The organisms multiply in the wall of the small intestine and produce oocysts, which are then excreted in the faeces for 2-3 weeks. Most cats shed oocysts only once after infection and are then effectively immune. Within 5 days the shed oocysts become infectious to other animals and to humans. Infectious "sporulated oocysts" are highly resistant to environmental conditions and can survive in moist shaded soil or sand for many months. Some Toxoplasma organisms migrate from the cat's intestine to muscle and brain but usually remain dormant. The same migration can also occur in humans. Congenital infection (transmission from mother to foetus) occurs in sheep, goats, and humans.
Fuller Torrey (Stanley Medical Research Institute, Maryland, USA) found that schizophrenics were statistically more likely to be cat owners and to have latent toxoplasmosis
Congenital infection is of greatest concern in humans; especially in pregnant women who contract toxoplasmosis for the first time while they are pregnant. They may show no symptoms themselves, but the foetus may suffer birth defects including blindness and brain damage. Since most cat-owning women have already been exposed to toxoplasmosis (and hence do not become reinfected), this is uncommon which is why it causes headlines. Most infected babies are born healthy, but with dormant toxoplasmosis cysts, in later life these may lead to reduced vision and loss of sight. In the UK, the total number of babies with congenital toxoplasmosis is approximately ten (out of many thousands).
Feline Leukaemia (FeLV)
The potential transmissibility of FeLV was highlighted by a Cambridge researcher (Jarrett) in 1994 in a work related to cancer-causing viruses. In cats, FeLV causes leukaemia, lymphoma (a cancer), anaemia and immunosuppression (immune system failure). Most cats die due to immunosuppression. According to the Vet Record in 1989, in the UK, about 18% of sick cats and 5% of healthy cats are FeLV positive.
The idea of an infectious agent being the cause of a childhood leukaemia led researchers to wonder whether acute lymphoblastic leukaemia in children was caused by FeLV through close contact between children and cats. They had several reasons for suspicion. Firstly, FeLV is spread "horizontally" i.e. from cat to cat through close contact and interaction. Secondly FeLV can infect and multiply in cells from other species in laboratory conditions - in the laboratory, FeLV was able to multiply within human bone marrow cells. Thirdly there have been reported clusters of cancers or leukaemia in human patients and simultaneously in their pets.
FeLV is found in large quantities in saliva, blood and urine of infected cats. It is contagious among cats living in close contact or crowded conditions. It is spread from cat to cat through licking, scratching and biting. Cats may also lick, scratch or bite humans, exposing humans to the virus. Can the virus multiply in human tissue or cause outside of laboratory conditions?
Human bone marrow cells can be deliberately infected with FeLV in the laboratory.0 -
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At the very start of my reply : Use a cage trap and release your furry guest somewhere else not too far from food or use a something guaranteed to dispatch him quickly.
I was talking about the almost foot-long tangent you posted about how cats are going to make us all die, rather than the one individual line you posted that was actually on topic.How are you so sure ?
"It has been estimated that 30 to 50 percent of the world's human population has been infected with Toxoplasma"
from : http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/toxo.html
just one of the first result from google search
http://www.google.com/searchhl=en&q=toxoplasmosis+in+humans+percentage++-wikipedia&btnG=Search
I'll take my chances. In the meantime, I think you spend far too much time Googling "ZOMG Cats are going to kill us all!!!!!!!!!!1111111eleven!!!!"
OP, get rid of the rats. I have 5 cats and have never seen a rat or mouse on our premises. There's plenty of rescues looking to rehome outdoor "farm cats" that will do a great job keeping rodents away, and you can tame them and make pets of them with some time and patience too 0 -
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