US Preview: 5x15 - [POSSIBLE SPOILERS]

Sad Professor · 30-04-2009 1:37pm #1

Penultimate episode of the season. Two-hour finale is the week after!

ABC Promo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EsIns116jI

Episode title:

Follow the Leader

Synopsis:

Jack and Kate find themselves at odds over the direction to take to save their fellow island survivors, Locke further solidifies his stance as leader of "The Others," and Sawyer and Juliet come under scrutiny from the Dharma Initiative.

Soby · 30-04-2009 2:05pm

Looks awwwwwwwwwwwwsome:D...cant wait..

Psychedelic · 30-04-2009 6:45pm

Apparently this might be a

Richard

centric episode.

Sea Sharp · 30-04-2009 8:14pm

I'll bet they convince everyone to try and prevent the incident, but in doing so they unintentionally cause the incident to happen.

Sad Professor · 30-04-2009 10:59pm

Psychedelic wrote: »

Apparently this might be a
Richard
centric episode.

I doubt it. Looks more like a

non-centric, Namaste-type

episode. I could be wrong though.

tony1kenobi · 30-04-2009 11:06pm

Psychedelic wrote: »

Apparently this might be a
Richard
centric episode.

It is.

Sad Professor · 30-04-2009 11:22pm

That's only a rumour. There's no reliable source for it.

Mr.Nice Guy · 30-04-2009 11:32pm

I don't get Jack's motive to be honest. It doesn't sit well with me. We saw him have a breakdown as he became obsessed with getting back to the island. I was under the impression that being on the island gives Jack a purpose and that this was why he wanted to get back so badly. All of that effort just to prevent everything from happening?

I wish they'd clarify his reasons a bit.

Chumpski · 01-05-2009 9:23am

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I don't get Jack's motive to be honest. It doesn't sit well with me. We saw him have a breakdown as he became obsessed with getting back to the island. I was under the impression that being on the island gives Jack a purpose and that this was why he wanted to get back so badly. All of that effort just to prevent everything from happening?

I wish they'd clarify his reasons a bit.

Agree, i was sure he would try to

prevent Faraday from trying to change things in 5x14

.

PirateShampoo · 01-05-2009 9:49am

Think they should of killed Jack to be honest.

Anyway

Jack is gonna be pissed when he realises that he is the cause of there plane crashing

Otacon · 01-05-2009 10:17am

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Anyway
Jack is gonna be pissed when he realises that he is the cause of there plane crashing

Maybe he knows that he is and thats what he wants, to have a purpose.

Leprachaun · 01-05-2009 10:41am

At this stage,I think Jack doesn't care what his purpose is,as long as he has one. He went through a lot to get to the island because he believed he had a destiny. I don't think he could handle it if it turned out he had no destiny, so he's clutching at straws.

Sad Professor · 01-05-2009 11:44am

Jack is still Jack. He wants to save his friends. And what better way to save his friends then to stop the plane crash from ever happening. No plane crash, no dead people, no junkie-Jack, no need to go back. So I don't see any problem with his motivation for wanting to stop the crash.

Jack went back to the island on blind fate, he didn't know what he was supposed to do once he got there. No more than Locke ever did. But now he believes it is his destiny to stop the crash. And in a way he's right.

If he follows through on this plan, it would seem it is Jack's destiny to try and stop the plane crash and in doing so cause the plane crash. This means Jack is actually fulfilling his destiny perfectly by trying to stop it. He may not realise it yet but that's why he had to go back.

qz · 01-05-2009 12:32pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Jack is still Jack. He wants to save his friends. And what better way to save his friends then to stop the plane crash from ever happening. No plane crash, no dead people, no junkie-Jack, no need to go back. So I don't see any problem with his motivation for wanting to stop the crash.

Jack went back to the island on blind fate, he didn't know what he was supposed to do once he got there. No more than Locke ever did. But now he believes it is his destiny to stop the crash. And in a way he's right.

If he follows through on this plan, it would seem it is Jack's destiny to try and stop the plane crash and in doing so cause the plane crash. This means Jack is actually fulfilling his destiny perfectly by trying to stop it. He may not realise it yet but that's why he had to go back.

Posts like this remind me what a brilliant show we watch

tok9 · 02-05-2009 3:19pm

it's not that surprising that jack wants to stop the crash... if the plane doesn't crash jack doesn't get addicted, seeing ghosts, he won't know about claire and he saves the likes of boone, shannon, charlie, eko , faraday etc..

It'd be very surprising if they actually did stop the crash since whatever happened happens.. i'm not sure if i'd be happy if they changed the future either... Can't wait for this though and i really hope it is a richard centric episode(Whats with all the spoiler tags, the thread says possible spoilers)

PirateShampoo · 02-05-2009 3:28pm

They cant change the future, "what ever happened, happened"

Mr.Nice Guy · 02-05-2009 4:21pm

If they stop the crash does that not create a paradox? If they never crash on the island then how can they wind up on the island at all to stop themselves from crashing on the island?

Seems to me like their plan is doomed to fail.

wayne040576 · 03-05-2009 11:38pm

I reckon they'll end up causing the 'incident' they're trying to prevent thus completing the cycle and their reason for going back to the island.
I know it's a very common outcome in a sci-fi time travelling show and a little too obvious.

Kiith · 03-05-2009 11:42pm

Jack looks pretty banged up in the first part of that trailer. As for the crash, they wont stop it. They will either cause it, or realise that it was supposed to happen, and they have to accept what happened. Looks good though.

tony1kenobi · 03-05-2009 11:56pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

That's only a rumour. There's no reliable source for it.

Ah there is. That Kristen lassie is fairly reliable and she said it's his ep.....and it's time he got one too......the character is cool.

PirateShampoo · 04-05-2009 11:13am

Mr.S wrote: »

the last episode would suggest they can change the future though.

--

Say if Jack etc changed the future right, they stop the oceanic plane from crashing saving all the lives of people who've died on the Island, their only going to change it from that timeline right? i mean if they go back to their original time, where the plane did crash, the people would still be dead?

Timetravel hurts my head:(

No because if they do change anything then the show never happens.

Faraday was wrong, and fulfilled his own prophecy when he told Charlot "That this place is Death"

This episode is setting up for the "Incident" and why the swan is there, hence what ever happened, happened.

LeoGilly · 05-05-2009 4:50pm

Would kate not end up in prison for life if the plane doesn't crash and they never end up on the island? Or the would they still be stuck in the '70's on the island?
Becasue i can't see Kate wanting to change what happened.

me-skywalker · 06-05-2009 1:28pm

ok lets say.....they end up making sure the plane crash DOESNT happen. They can still continue to exist on the island and wont grow older? as its the people from the future that have come back that dont age? like richard maybe he also came back to the past on the island and thats why he doesnt age?

why did charlotte die? dont think we have ever leanred about how? why? she died!!

JLemmon · 06-05-2009 1:47pm

Let's not forget the shadow of the statue crowd,
they must figure at some point

Sad Professor · 06-05-2009 2:09pm

Re: the centricity of this episode: it has since been confirmed -

it is definitely NOT Richard-centric. Or at least there isn't any Richard flashbacks. Maybe next season.

homerun_homer · 06-05-2009 2:35pm

Mr.S wrote: »

the last episode would suggest they can change the future though.

Suggest - a character suggested it - not the episode itself. Farraday even failed in his own attempts to fix the future. He was going to avoid telling Charlotte about what will happen her and he messed up and told her anyway. Why? Becasue he came to the conclusion that he could change things when all he is doing is making things go according to how they happened which is what will ultimately happen Jack and co by sticking to Farraday's plan.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

If they stop the crash does that not create a paradox? If they never crash on the island then how can they wind up on the island at all to stop themselves from crashing on the island?

Seems to me like their plan is doomed to fail.

A paradox indeed, it can't be done. It's not like they will blow up the bomb and then like Sam in Quantum Leap, Leap into where they should be in life as a result of fixing things. They would die from the blast and a big fat paradox is created, the writers couldn't possibly go there and make it work. They said from the start when Time Travel was introduced that there would be no paradoxs.

Niall0 · 06-05-2009 4:29pm

homerun_homer wrote: »

Suggest - a character suggested it - not the episode itself. Farraday even failed in his own attempts to fix the future. He was going to avoid telling Charlotte about what will happen her and he messed up and told her anyway. Why? Becasue he came to the conclusion that he could change things when all he is doing is making things go according to how they happened which is what will ultimately happen Jack and co by sticking to Farraday's plan.

Exactly, even though they cannot change the past it is important that they try to as this will probably lead to what always happened. If anything the last episode proved that whatever happened.

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