Pound for Pound Ranking Question

Andyfbt

I believe most people base the Pound for Pound Rankings on The Ring Magazines ranking list? But if Hatton beats Pacquiao then does he become number 1? He is only ranked 8th at the moment. If he does become number 1 then I think it's a bit mad because then the number 1 would always stay around the same weight

eagle eye

No he doesn't automatically become no.1 in the pound for pound rankings if he wins. In fact he might not move up at all but he probably will jump a couple of places.

If you look at the ring rankings you will also see that Ricky is Ring Champion at light welterweight and Manny is not even ranked at the weight as he has never fought at light welter. He is ranked at no.5 in the welterweight rankings after he beat the Golden Boy at that weight. So just because he is the no.1 pound for pound it does not mean that he is automatically no.1 ranked at any particular weight.

walshb

The p4p myth is just that, a myth, and is open to all kinds
of interpretation from any person.

Now, should Hatton beat most people's choice as the p4p
best, does this make him the best?

Well, put it this way, if Hatton was p4p best and rose to 168 lbs and lost
to Froch say, would Froch be the number 1 p4p fighter?

I think not, so my answer is simple:

Should Hatton beat Pac, to me it's simply a decent
win over a really great lighter weight fighter.
Although Pac will be above 135 lbs and technically
a JWW fighter, it is not where I consider
Pac as at his p4p best.

Pac is p4p the best fighter as a super feather!

Dodge

walshb wrote: »

Pac is p4p the best fighter as a super feather!

better than Bernard Dunne?

walshb

Dodge wrote: »

better than Bernard Dunne?

Obviously not better than our Dunner!

Andyfbt

alright. Yeah I know it is open to opinion and they may not even be champions in their division but was just wondering if The Ring will shove Hatton up to 1st if he wins

walshb

Andy, if they've any brains, they won't!

colly10

Hatton has been talking himself up as being p4p #1 if he wins this (i've lost a bit of respect for him because of it), im really looking forward to seeing that table if he wins it.
For me the only way I would even consider him to be #1 is if he won this fight then did something like step up to WW and beat Shane Mosley, he'll never convince me he's #1 by finishing his career at LWW

Big Ears

Andyfbt wrote: »

alright. Yeah I know it is open to opinion and they may not even be champions in their division but was just wondering if The Ring will shove Hatton up to 1st if he wins

Doesn't really matter if they do or not, it's not simply a case of what the ring says goes.It's a case of what the public sees goes.

This p4p angle is really just being used as a selling point for the fight, Hatton himself said previously a few months ago that he'd have to beat not only Pacquiao but then Marquez after that(this was before the Marquez v Mayweather talk came about), to become the best fighter pound for pound.

As said above it's all open to interpretation, the only actual title on the line here is the Light-Welterweight Championship of the World.

colly10

Big Ears wrote: »

Doesn't really matter if they do or not, it's not simply a case of what the ring says goes.It's a case of what the public sees goes.

This p4p angle is really just being used as a selling point for the fight, Hatton himself said previously a few months ago that he'd have to beat not only Pacquiao but then Marquez after that(this was before the Marquez v Mayweather talk came about), to become the best fighter pound for pound.

As said above it's all open to interpretation, the only actual title on the line here is the Light-Welterweight Championship of the World.

Marquez at the age of 35 would be stepping up in weight to fight him, this would in no way make hatton #1 - thats what he'd like to believe. He himself will have to step up if being #1 is his ambition (and he really believes he can rightfully achieve it)

joepenguin

For me its the most skillful fighter that has accomplished the most at his weight and then obviously he earns more p4p points if he moves up a weight and does the trick there also.

I believe JMM beat Pacman the second time around and Manny got the nod because he's Manny. It wasnt a robbery by any means and some rounds were close but thats just my take on it.

JMM took the linear lightweight championship in his first fight at the weight and then beat one of the highest ranked fighters at the weight in Diaz.

Pac beat David Diaz who is not as good as casa imo, then a faded DLH two weights above. In truth Juan Diaz was more of a threat.

Still I would put Manny p4p #1 now. If Hatton beats him, JMM goes from #2 to #1 and Ricky goes to #2. Manny doesnt fall that many places.

I agree that you dont have to beat the #1 to become #1 but if the weights are close enough then you can make a good argument.

If Hatton wins and gets Mayweather he should demand it at 140. I dont think its beyond Floyd to do so.

joepenguin

colly10 wrote: »

Marquez at the age of 35 would be stepping up in weight to fight him, this would in no way make hatton #1 - thats what he'd like to believe. He himself will have to step up if being #1 is his ambition (and he really believes he can rightfully achieve it)

Hmmm... Hatton-Mosely anyone??

colly10

joepenguin wrote: »

Hmmm... Hatton-Mosely anyone??

I've said that above, for me hatton would be #1 without a doubt if he could beat Mosley at 147, personally I think he would be destroyed if he attempted it and I think he knows it

cowzerp

To me the p4p champ should be the best boxer at his weight-most dominant, not just the man that beat the man-Floyd mayweather was the best to me, pacman is also the current lb 4 lb also-i dont think hatton realistically can ever become lb 4 lb best, there is other contenders such as marquez and i have to say williams now, they dont have to be based on there actual current weight, Mayweather and Manny earned there lb 4 lb status at there lower weights and just hold onto them till a new more dominant fighter comes along..

I think based on this Williams will be Lb 4 Lb best soon and possibly already.. he has to be the most dominant boxer at his own weight and would most likely be untouchable at middle weight also.

Thats my personal take on it..