Channel 4

vsat

Not sure if this has been mentioned ? but I noticed yesterday that CH 4 now on SKY RX without a FTV cand on 104. So now 101 BBC1, 102 BBC2, 103 ITV1, 104 Ch4.

I installed a new RX and EPG was above, no upside down card or red button trick.

Regards,:)

mike65

Its fair to say everyone knows about this by now

TheDriver

I'd say try searching before posting, there might be one or 1000 posts about it already me thinks.....

vsat

So sorry, Tryed a search, but so much other related info up, and miss info.

regards,

snaps

vsat wrote: »

Not sure if this has been mentioned ? but I noticed yesterday that CH 4 now on SKY RX without a FTV cand on 104. So now 101 BBC1, 102 BBC2, 103 ITV1, 104 Ch4.

I installed a new RX and EPG was above, no upside down card or red button trick.

Regards,:)

What an irish epg'd receiver or a uk brought one?

fat-tony

CH4 on 104 is on the default (cardless) EPG of "Irish" SKY boxes.

vsat

When did this happen, must have been a sleep:D

Mossy Monk

fat-tony wrote: »

CH4 on 104 is on the default (cardless) EPG of "Irish" SKY boxes.

There is no such thing as an "Irish" or "UK" Sky box. A Sky box is a Sky box.

patrick whitty

there is only 1 sky box but the irish cards are different to the english ftv cards thus the channels have different numbers.
patrick

steveon

They are rare but there indeed are Irish programmed Sky boxes by grundig. Some will take a forced software update to turn them into the english epg but i have a couple that you need an FTV card for ch4 or u needed to add it to the other channels..

snaps

Well ive an amstrad, grundig & a panasonic none of them show the UK epg when there is no card inserted?

I really dont understand, if the op is saying a sky box without a card in shows the UK epg then im doing something wrong.

Mossy monk has also stated that there is only one type of sky box? I thought there where ones that were meant for the Irish market & ones for the Uk market. Ive a uk sky box as well and yes that shows the UK epg when no card is in less channel five.

Rippy

snaps wrote: »

Well ive an amstrad, grundig & a panasonic none of them show the UK epg when there is no card inserted?

I really dont understand, if the op is saying a sky box without a card in shows the UK epg then im doing something wrong.

Mossy monk has also stated that there is only one type of sky box? I thought there where ones that were meant for the Irish market & ones for the Uk market. Ive a uk sky box as well and yes that shows the UK epg when no card is in less channel five.

If you power cycle the box (turn off and on at mains) after removing the card it will load the UK EPG.

snaps

No, tried that. Even left the box off overnight and switched back on at the mains. RTE 1 is 101 still, with please insert your card?

paconnors

insert sky card put on sky news 501 press red to start interactive when interactive loads remove sky card press sky on remote, box will default to english channels

vsat

As I stated above I have now tried this a few times on sky rx's and all return back to the UK EPG,:rolleyes:

regards,

snaps

vsat wrote: »

As I stated above I have now tried this a few times on sky rx's and all return back to the UK EPG,:rolleyes:

regards,

Have they been paired to an Irish sky card before?

patrick whitty

i have a panasonic and a grundig and they both show an epg when the card is removed. just tried them now.
patrick

snaps

Perhaps i need the latest firmware. Its gas that mine whatever i do with no card inserted just show the irish channels on 101-104!

patrick whitty

101 bbc east
102 bbc
103 itv
104 ch. 4
patrick

patrick whitty

can anybody tell me the the frequency for ch.4 hd as i have lost it.
patrick

byte

patrick whitty wrote: »

can anybody tell me the the frequency for ch.4 hd as i have lost it.
patrick

11.798
H
SR 29.500
FEC 3/4

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk.html

givecredit

snaps wrote: »

Perhaps i need the latest firmware. Its gas that mine whatever i do with no card inserted just show the irish channels on 101-104!

Try doing a forced firmware upgrade with no card in box. This should give you the uk epg. Or try the sky news trick as outlined earlier in this thread.

Just taking the card out and doing nothing else will not work.

ynotdu

snaps wrote: »

No, tried that. Even left the box off overnight and switched back on at the mains. RTE 1 is 101 still, with please insert your card?

Hi snaps,you must be missing one step when you try to switch to uk epg through going to channel 501,so with not a single step left out this is how it works for me(it was another poster on another thread who told me about the ch 501 method and like you it was not working out for me)

1)go to ch501(sky news)with the irish card inserted.
2)press red button.
3)when page is fully loaded press the number 8(active)you will see my sky account and will notice the ad for high definition is priced in sterling.
4)remove card and leave the slot empty.
5)wait a minuate,then press back up on the sky remote,you will see the mini-screens,again wait a minuate.
6)press back up again,you will get a searching for listings message.

you will then have the uk epg&the free to view channels like e4 will be unscrambled& the free to air bbc1 on 101,bbc2 on 102 etc.

Bros123

patrick whitty wrote: »

can anybody tell me the the frequency for ch.4 hd as i have lost it.
patrick

Not much use as you can't tune it in on a Sky+HD box:mad:

snaps

vsat wrote: »

Not sure if this has been mentioned ? but I noticed yesterday that CH 4 now on SKY RX without a FTV cand on 104. So now 101 BBC1, 102 BBC2, 103 ITV1, 104 Ch4.

I installed a new RX and EPG was above, no upside down card or red button trick.

Regards,:)

So i read this OP wrong then as he states no red button trick, just a straight UK epg with out a FTV card inserted????

ynotdu

snaps wrote: »

So i read this OP wrong then as he states no red button trick, just a straight UK epg with out a FTV card inserted????

snaps I can only talk about my experiance on three ancient sky box,s i have tried this on.they are just ordinary standard definition box,s and have the current software version which is:

Operating system version 1.2s4fj

EPG software version 3.7.6

you can check this by pressing the services button,select system setup,then select system details.

If you have tried the red 501 method and it has,nt worked you can update the software by unplugging the sky box,wait a minuate.plug the box back in whilst pressing the back-up button on the box(not the remote)
eventually a black screen will appear saying:updating system software may take up to ten minuates(if the current software is already installed the black screen will not appear,the box will just revert to standby)

let us know how you get on.

watty

Depend on the box and SW version, different possible UK EPG:

* Unplug mains and plugin with no card.

* Unplug mains and plugin with ANY upside down card.

* Put in ANY upside down card.

* Do 501 sequence and leave slot empty.

* There have even been boxes that do UK EPG with an Irish card that refuses to do Irish EPG to extent that Sky has sent a new card.

vsat

Snap,

just to confirm I have a couple of 100 ex sky decoders, I just picked 6 from the batch, and all went stright to UK EPG, these all had sky ireland cards in them at some time.

I have just removed my sky card from my sky plus box and disconnected the ac power cable for 30 seconds, and the new epg with 101,102,103,104, all bbc/ITV/Ch 4 on EPG. my EPG software version is 5.04.e.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

regards,

ynotdu

vsat wrote: »

Snap,

just to confirm I have a couple of 100 ex sky decoders, I just picked 6 from the batch, and all went stright to UK EPG, these all had sky ireland cards in them at some time.

I have just removed my sky card from my sky plus box and disconnected the ac power cable for 30 seconds, and the new epg with 101,102,103,104, all bbc/ITV/Ch 4 on EPG. my EPG software version is 5.04.e.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

regards,

vsat,really no need for the roll eyes(may,be that attitude is why you could not find a buyer for your "couple of hundred" digiboxs.

It is a relativly recent phenomenan that allows the UK epg to be loaded in the Republic of Ireland except through cards issued to the UK.
some here are trying to be of help,not giving smug replys and rolling our eyes.whatever works for for a poster asking a question is whats important,not sarcasm.

ynotdu

watty wrote: »

Depend on the box and SW version, different possible UK EPG:

* Unplug mains and plugin with no card.

* Unplug mains and plugin with ANY upside down card.

* Put in ANY upside down card.

* Do 501 sequence and leave slot empty.

* There have even been boxes that do UK EPG with an Irish card that refuses to do Irish EPG to extent that Sky has sent a new card.

Hi watty,I reverted a sky box back to the Irish epg and followed your suggestion about the upside down card via 501 method.
it did not work as the searching for listings stage never happened and stubbornly stuck to RTE1 on ch 101 etc.

I had to go through all the stages i described in previous post here to get the uk epg back.perhaps this method HAS to be used once on some models as after that it boots to the uk epg automaticly,card or no card(I used to have to keep an unsubscribed UK card in for this.)
It seems to be down to some other issues as well(i,m guessing date of issue of card,age of decoder, if the card was activated by phone or via signal from satelite make of decoder and more that only Sky knows about;)) who knows what tricks might be up skys sleeve when their card changeover is complete:)

I suspect it is now so easy to get channels meant for UK for free as many of the channels free to view are paid channels on UPC;)

Sky scenting blood and going for the kill ?

watty

The 501 and upside down card are mutually exclusive methods.

All the channels work via "other channels" and some are on Irish EPG. Sky aren't allowed by EU law to block "other channels". However they have no obligation to put channels on the Irish EPG, that have not paid. Sky actually pay BBC for BBC1NI and BBC2NI on Irish EPG. If there was not objection from TV3 and sufficient demand, Sky would pay ITV to let them put ITV on Irish EPG.

I know it's a little complicated. But it's not a conspiracy by Sky. You can take off the tin foil hat

Sky worry more about Freesat, Virgin Media and Freeview. UPC is a pretty captive audience, they know that in UPC areas, especially where the cable is upgraded, at least 30% will take UPC Broadband and over 50% the cable TV. No matter what Sky do.

For most of the life of the digibox it defaulted to UK EPG powered on with no card. After the new cards issued, it then seemed to "remember" the Irish card and the 501 trick needed. (The upside down trick I think only was a short cut to avoid powering off and booting with no card).

It will be no surprise if with newer SW the 501 trick is gone (was likely a bug) and power-on-no-card is UK epg.

With Freesat having a good EPG unlike Generic FTA also C4 and Five now FTA, the need for a UK EPG or UK FTV card on a Skybox is much less.

vsat

(may,be that attitude is why you could not find a buyer for your "couple of hundred" digiboxs)

ynotdu

I did not try to sell these decoders, they are just scrap, like all the other rx's I have collected over the years.
I'm just stating that I picked from a pile of rx's which I'm sure plenty of other installers on this board have.

Still have uk EPG on my sky plus box..

regards,

patrick whitty

byte wrote: »

11.798
H
SR 29.500
FEC 3/4

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk.html

thank you for information but 11798 is for ch.4 i am looking for ch.4 hd.
patrick

mjsmyth

Those details are also correct for Channel 4 HD.

http://en.kingofsat.net/find.php?question=channel+4+hd&Submit=Zap

ynotdu

watty wrote: »

The 501 and upside down card are mutually exclusive methods.

All the channels work via "other channels" and some are on Irish EPG. Sky aren't allowed by EU law to block "other channels". However they have no obligation to put channels on the Irish EPG, that have not paid. Sky actually pay BBC for BBC1NI and BBC2NI on Irish EPG. If there was not objection from TV3 and sufficient demand, Sky would pay ITV to let them put ITV on Irish EPG.

I know it's a little complicated. But it's not a conspiracy by Sky. You can take off the tin foil hat

Sky worry more about Freesat, Virgin Media and Freeview. UPC is a pretty captive audience, they know that in UPC areas, especially where the cable is upgraded, at least 30% will take UPC Broadband and over 50% the cable TV. No matter what Sky do.

For most of the life of the digibox it defaulted to UK EPG powered on with no card. After the new cards issued, it then seemed to "remember" the Irish card and the 501 trick needed. (The upside down trick I think only was a short cut to avoid powering off and booting with no card).

It will be no surprise if with newer SW the 501 trick is gone (was likely a bug) and power-on-no-card is UK epg.

With Freesat having a good EPG unlike Generic FTA also C4 and Five now FTA, the need for a UK EPG or UK FTV card on a Skybox is much less.

watty you trying to get me moved to the conspiracy theorys forum

ok may,be sky have no dirty tricks brigade!:D

as for my tin foil hat I will have You know I can get all of the available Clarke belt satelites available above the horizon with it!(true it causes me a cold head and a sore neck leaning out the window!)I ignore the looks i get from the neighbours (they are all mad!)

before the natural death of this thread just want to say using the other channels option on a sky box is such a pain in the ass hardly anybody uses it&it only carrys now and next banner.

Sky followed the directive to allow manual tuning but in such a way they knew that hardly anybody would bother!

when forced by law to seperate their offering into seperate packages they did not offer each package at an equal price instead the big charge is for the first package,the other 5 only e2 each!(cute whores!):pac:

ynotdu

vsat wrote: »

(may,be that attitude is why you could not find a buyer for your "couple of hundred" digiboxs)

ynotdu

I did not try to sell these decoders, they are just scrap, like all the other rx's I have collected over the years.
I'm just stating that I picked from a pile of rx's which I'm sure plenty of other installers on this board have.

Still have uk EPG on my sky plus box..

regards,

vsat in peace i say to you these second hand decoders were selling for e75 each in an outlet in i think drimnagh before freesat.

If i were you i would try them in the buy&sell or see could i sell them as a job lot.

I know freesat has a lot to offer but requires more than going somewhere local in R.O.I

might be a market amongst students or a cheap way to have a good selection of channels for free in the many homes/flats that have a dish but no decoder left.

Once people knew the English Channels were readily available now they might go for it?


200 decoders at even e30 a go would be six grands worth!
Regards

vsat

ynotdu,


Thanks for the advice, but to much trouble selling problems, and trying to explain to customers.

regards,

snaps

ill make an apology, my panasonic sky box is now showing a uk epg without a card in. My grundig box will not though.