BER Data Review Audit

dahayeser

I just received an email stating that one of my assessments is subject to a BER Data Review Audit.

The assessment was an unusual one. The house was built in the 20's but had an extension added in 2002. The existing house was insulated and renovated at this time too with the result that the house came out with a C2 rating.

The email asked me to do the following -
Please submit the relevant site survey form for this assessment

To be honest this isn't something that I had been filling out for each survey. I didn't think measurements per individual room (as looked for on this form) were necessary. Apart form that I should have every other detail to complete the form now..

Has anyone been through this type of Audit previously? How did you fare?

sydthebeat

dahayeser wrote: »

I just received an email stating that one of my assessments is subject to a BER Data Review Audit.

The assessment was an unusual one. The house was built in the 20's but had an extension added in 2002. The existing house was insulated and renovated at this time too with the result that the house came out with a C2 rating.

The email asked me to do the following -
Please submit the relevant site survey form for this assessment

To be honest this isn't something that I had been filling out for each survey. I didn't think measurements per individual room (as looked for on this form) were necessary. Apart form that I should have every other detail to complete the form now..

Has anyone been through this type of Audit previously? How did you fare?

if you dont complete a site survey form... how do you collect the data to imput into the software???

dahayeser

I bring my own check list around with me which is basically the same thing except done up in a format that works best for me.

As for gathering the information, my method is to a large floor plan of each floor on an A3 pad and add all of my details to each sketch.

The only thing I am missing is the individual room dimensions. I am aware of a lot of assessors who don't take individual room measuremnents.

Now don't get me wrong I am meticulous with my surveys, calculations and research. I just felt that this was unnecessary data as it didn't impact the rating.

sydthebeat

dahayeser wrote: »

I bring my own check list around with me which is basically the same thing except done up in a format that works best for me.

As for gathering the information, my method is to a large floor plan of each floor on an A3 pad and add all of my details to each sketch.

The only thing I am missing is the individual room dimensions. I am aware of a lot of assessors who don't take individual room measuremnents.

Now don't get me wrong I am meticulous with my surveys, calculations and research. I just felt that this was unnecessary data as it didn't impact the rating.

i too do not take individual room measurements if the external measurements are forthcoming.... obviously for apartments internals are required....
the only individual room measurement required is the living room area..

this is what the manual states:

Dimensions – All dimensional data that is needed is to be measured on site. Definitions follow Section 1.



The floor areas to be entered into the DEAP software are to be the internal floor areas for each level of the dwelling. These areas are to be calculated either from internal dimensions or, alternatively, calculated and converted from external dimensions.




Storey heights are to be measured on site, with any upper floors adjusted for presence of any
intermediate floors.


Living area percentage is based on internal measurements taken within the dwelling

SilverBER

You are permitted to use your own survey sheet if you find it better. Once you have all of the relevant data covered you are good. I use my own 2 page survey sheet and I sent it to the assessor and he was happy enough with it so don't worry too much. It shows initiative and uses less paper thereby being more Eco friendly. Also the SEI sheet is awful.

engrish?

SilverBER wrote: »

You are permitted to use your own survey sheet if you find it better. Once you have all of the relevant data covered you are good. I use my own 2 page survey sheet and I sent it to the assessor and he was happy enough with it so don't worry too much. It shows initiative and uses less paper thereby being more Eco friendly. Also the SEI sheet is awful.

Agreed. Sends you all over the place if you follow it page by page

engrish?

dahayeser wrote: »

I just received an email stating that one of my assessments is subject to a BER Data Review Audit.

The assessment was an unusual one. The house was built in the 20's but had an extension added in 2002. The existing house was insulated and renovated at this time too with the result that the house came out with a C2 rating.

The email asked me to do the following -
Please submit the relevant site survey form for this assessment

To be honest this isn't something that I had been filling out for each survey. I didn't think measurements per individual room (as looked for on this form) were necessary. Apart form that I should have every other detail to complete the form now..

Has anyone been through this type of Audit previously? How did you fare?

I'm curious as to how the file was alerted? Was there many errors? Were many of them severe?

sydthebeat

engrish? wrote: »

I'm curious as to how the file was alerted? Was there many errors? Were many of them severe?

i would think a 1920's house, not withstanding the extension and drylining, generating a C2 rating would send alarm bells going al right.

dahayeser.. can you give us a quick run down of the data collected??

did you have to calculate many elemental u values??

SilverBER

Syd and engrish, there doesnt have to be bells ringing to alert them. I think it is a random selection. I have done quite a few assessments and the one they chose from me was on an apartment in Ringsend that was built in 2004. I dont think they are alert enough to put a C2 rating and a 1920s dwelling together and come up with a suspicious demeanour on their faces - or maybe they are. I know that if I were an assessor I would have looked at about ten other BERs that were submitted by me which caused surprise when I hit the result icon!

dahayeser

sydthebeat wrote: »

i would think a 1920's house, not withstanding the extension and drylining, generating a C2 rating would send alarm bells going al right.

dahayeser.. can you give us a quick run down of the data collected??

did you have to calculate many elemental u values??

No problem, here are the basics ..


The house was extended in 2002, the extension covers almost the entire back of the house. The house is also mid terrce so therefore the old walls are only exposed on one side.

The old walls that are exposed are insulated with 50mm - a combination of polyutherane and slab. (calculated this value)

The floor of the existing house has also been insulated. (calculated this value)

New combi boiler 78% efficient / time clock / seperate water timer (so no immersion) / 2 room stats.

150mm insulation in attic.

Double glazed windows - 2002 in whole house

All chimneys blocked up, heaths removed and all so permanently gone - no secondary heating sys.

ben bedlam

dahayeser wrote: »

To be honest this isn't something that I had been filling out for each survey.

Uh oh! They is gonna torch your ass!

derickmc

ben bedlam wrote: »

Uh oh! They is gonna torch your ass!

That is no problem. I know from another assessor who was audited. He rang them and agreed that it would be fine to just send on his own assessment log. Maybe ring them first and verify it s okay. Get a name too fo quote.

As a matter of interest does anyone what happens if they find problems with an assessment.

sydthebeat

dahayeser wrote: »

No problem, here are the basics ..


The house was extended in 2002, the extension covers almost the entire back of the house. The house is also mid terrce so therefore the old walls are only exposed on one side.

The old walls that are exposed are insulated with 50mm - a combination of polyutherane and slab. (calculated this value)

The floor of the existing house has also been insulated. (calculated this value)

New combi boiler 78% efficient / time clock / seperate water timer (so no immersion) / 2 room stats.

150mm insulation in attic.

Double glazed windows - 2002 in whole house

All chimneys blocked up, heaths removed and all so permanently gone - no secondary heating sys.

makes sense then, please let us know how you get on with the audit...

trad

Just a little tip if you are missing a measurement. If the property is for sale most of the room dimensions are on the property websites and should get you out of a hole.