John Duddy Beaten !

Big Ears

Lost on points to Billy Lyell.

I can barely even comprehend it..............I suppose I was right about Macklin being Ireland's best Middleweight, and I doubt anyone will argue about Macklin beating Duddy now.

However I'd rather not know that, I just can't believe he's lost to Lyell, he's beaten better than that in the past. Hell Matt Vanda is a better fighter than Lyell.

joepenguin

Whoa... Did you see the fight big? tried getting a stream but couldnt find anything. I had a funny feeling about this, I expected him to beat Lyell of course but I felt it was one pointless fight too many.

He didnt look great against Vanda either, he out boxed him for most of it but Vanda started teeing off on him at the end. Vanda was just there for the brawl.

Im no less of a John Duddy fan because of it, or think any less of him as a fighter. Its just a pity he didnt head straight for Pavlik for a shot at the big time and big dollars. Or some other big fight.

Good things could come of this yet.

Big Ears

Nah didn't see it, he might still get a shot at Chavez jnr, Arum was only going to feed him to one of his fighters anyway(well or sign him, but that option is gone) so a fight with Chavez jnr with Duddy looking vulnerable.

So he may actually get opportunities from this, however he won't be getting the $1 million purse Jermain Taylor's camp once offered him, or the similar sort of purse he would of gained from a fight with Pavlik.

Personally I think if he can get a fight with Chavez jnr, Hearns jnr, or Harry Joe Yorgey then great. if not he should come home and try and get a shot at Jamie Moore's European Light-Middleweight title which would be a massive fight here in Ireland. He'd need more fights in Europe first to be eligible(you have to have had 5 of your last 10 fights in Europe), so he could set himself up with a domestic dual against James Moore or the Sinclair/Coyle winner first, + one other fight.

However I dunno, you just can't imagine him achieving much after this.

c1979

maybe it's the kick up the arse he needs to reflect and step up his game

sligobhoy67

Big Ears wrote: »

Lost on points to Billy Lyell.

I can barely even comprehend it..............I suppose I was right about Macklin being Ireland's best Middleweight, and I doubt anyone will argue about Macklin beating Duddy now.

However I'd rather not know that, I just can't believe he's lost to Lyell, he's beaten better than that in the past. Hell Matt Vanda is a better fighter than Lyell.

sligobhoy67

joepenguin wrote: »

Whoa... Did you see the fight big? tried getting a stream but couldnt find anything. I had a funny feeling about this, I expected him to beat Lyell of course but I felt it was one pointless fight too many.

He didnt look great against Vanda either, he out boxed him for most of it but Vanda started teeing off on him at the end. Vanda was just there for the brawl.

Im no less of a John Duddy fan because of it, or think any less of him as a fighter. Its just a pity he didnt head straight for Pavlik for a shot at the big time and big dollars. Or some other big fight.

Good things could come of this yet.

good things can come of this - but he (and I) wudda prefer to see him cash out against Pavlik and not Lyall.

Rematch within a week is what i would be after.

sligobhoy67

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIMIa35cgao

El Guapo!

Didnt see the fight but from what I saw in that 1st rd, Duddy looked very sluggish and Lyell looked to be the fresher of the two by far. It looked like Lyell was too quick for Duddy and he didnt seem to get going at all in that round.
What did the score card look like in the end? Was he beaten by much?
Anyone know where I'd be able to see the whole fight?

El Guapo!

Found this on Ring;

DUDDY LOSES TO LYELL

John Duddy didn’t just lose his first pro bout Friday night at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey, the popular middleweight contender lost out on at least one seven-figure payday when he was outhustled by journeyman Billy Lyell.

Lyell (19-7, 3 KOs), the loser of five of his last 10 bouts coming into Friday’s bout, won a split decision over Duddy (26-1, 17 KOs), nixing the New York City-based Irishman’s “O” as well as a proposed showdown with middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik that would have paid him at least $1.5 million.

That Duddy lost is not big news. The Irishman is a handsome left-hooker who makes for fun fights and sells a lot of tickets in New York, but he’s not the most talented or skilled middleweight out there as evidenced by his life-and-death struggles with the likes of Yory Boy Campas, Anthony Bonsante and Walid Smichet.

However, most believed he would beat Lyell, who was recently stopped by James Kirkland and David Lopez and outpointed by the ancient Campas in his hometown.

In his last bout, just two months ago, Lyell was outboxed by junior middleweight prospect Vanes Martirosyan.

nacho libre

c1979 wrote: »

maybe it's the kick up the arse he needs to reflect and step up his game

I thought the fight against Walid Smichet was just that. If he can't beat a guy like Lyell he's not capable of stepping it up. It's just a pity he didn't get his big day before losing.

blackgold>>

I thought I would wake up to a "john duddy breezed through his 12 rounder with lyell" type of headline...... Just looking at the first round. And wondering how he didn't see half of those shots I do not know... Terrible news altogether.

Big Ears

Kassim Ouma shockingly lost on the same bill last night, he lost to Gabriel Rosado by split decision. Rosado was the man who handed James Moore his first loss.

Ouma seems to have really slipped since the Taylor fight though, some fighters can just lose their hunger when they've made some money and he seems to be one of them.
If he's interesting in continuing to fight they should get in a good nutritionist and get him down to Welterweight, where he should have been fighting his whole career anyway.

bigeasyeah

It shouldnt come as suprise that Duddy lost.

walshb

bigeasyeah wrote: »

It shouldnt come as suprise that Duddy lost.

The surprise is who he lost to! Lyell is not someone anyone wants to lose
to, especially on the way UP!

Anyway, a Kirkland-Duddy fight I would have loved to see at 154 lbs, but I think James eats Duddy up. Too much offense and power. It would be a decent seller. Kirkland first has to deal with the law in the U.S.
He's up on a gun rap as far as I know

duagre

he is indeed. im pretty sure he is off the hatton card

Johnduddy

Disgusted...

What was the point of fighting Lyell anyway ffs

He needs to go down to lightmiddle and start again IMO

Pavlik would have made duddy a fortune, but its not a fight Id have liked to see I doubt John would have lasted 5 rounds.

It'll be a long road back from this

Johnduddy

April 24, 2009
Duddy lost a controversial decision to Billy Lyell. Duddy was not prepared for the fight and the young Lyell took advantage. Duddy may appeal the decision.

Just read this on Wikipedia - who writes this ? What was the story with Duddy not being prepared for the fight ?

joepenguin

Id imagine he wasnt 100% for the fight but there is no way he can appeal the fight.

So Pavlik fought Lockett and Duddy fought Lyell :rolleyes: daft.

Johnduddy

joepenguin wrote: »

Id imagine he wasnt 100% for the fight but there is no way he can appeal the fight.quote]

THats what I mean how can he appeal the fight result - thats why Im wonderin who is writing this crap

Anyway it wasnt like he took the fight at no notice so I dont see how he couldnt have been "ready" for the fight

irish32

Irish Ropes will be enjoying this! They fed him bums and he lost to a bum! At least his new people found out quickly. Smoke and mirrors.

bigeasyeah

Id like to see him move down a weight.I like Duddy but I can see him getting hurt as the opposition gets better at his current weight

efb

highlights on BBC1NI now

sligobhoy67

Johnduddy wrote: »

April 24, 2009
Duddy lost a controversial decision to Billy Lyell. Duddy was not prepared for the fight and the young Lyell took advantage. Duddy may appeal the decision.

Just read this on Wikipedia - who writes this ? What was the story with Duddy not being prepared for the fight ?

well I write most of it - but I aint edited that article in a bit.

I'll sort it now.

septern

watched this on bbc1 last night. i was very disappointed.
to be honest duddy looked poor. he was getting hit an awful lot fron the 1st round.
he had no movement - the american commentators were saying that he was moving in straight lines, and was always infront of Lyell, so was getting caught with big rights. At one point, they were even asking each other if duddy was actually capable of lteral movement.

In the pre fight, his new trainer was saying that duddy had learned how to jab and was a transformed fighter.
The problem was, that after throwing it, he didn't move his feet and stayed where he was so was there to be countered. He either didn't want to, or couldn't get Lyell in to the type of brawl that he ususally has and lost because he got caught with an awful lot of hard looping right hands, which caught the eye of the judges.

I like Duddy, from the exciting fights he has been in, and he seems like a decent fella. But i think he is a bit limited technically and a dramatic change in fighting style at this stage may be beyond him. I hope he can get back on track and at least get a big payday. If he loses again like he did at the weekend, I'd say his career is over, with respect to making big money. He will have a a hard time holding on to his fan base who loved his scraps as well - a lot of them were attracted to this exciting style. his new new style may not do it for them

T-K-O

I hate to say it but - Duddy found out.

mark renton

T-K-O wrote: »

I hate to say it but - Duddy found out.

It appears that way - I like John Duddy, he comes accross as a decent skin but I was taken aback on a thread a few weeks ago where someone posted that he was ranked in top 10 in 3 orgs!! :eek:

spongeman

Mmmm......Duddy has definitely been off form recently, still I did'nt see that coming. His out of ring problems would'nt have helped.

However I am not sure that he will become a really top class fighter unless he gets his mind back in focus.

spongeman

T-K-O wrote: »

I hate to say it but - Duddy found out.

I have to agree with ye on this one.

T-K-O

spongeman wrote: »

I have to agree with ye on this one.

What the hell do you mean this one ?

T-K-O

spongeman wrote: »

Mmmm......Duddy has definitely been off form recently, still I did'nt see that coming. His out of ring problems would'nt have helped.

However I am not sure that he will become a really top class fighter unless he gets his mind back in focus.

Duddy has been Duddy - this was always a risk when keeping him active. Not surprised by the loss it was coming but the guy that beat him surprised me.

spongeman

I have to agree with ye on this one.

walshb

Duddy's style will always see hm in wars and wars that will boil down to who threw more and landed more. His lack of a punch usually see him having to go the route and if he meets a busy and tough man, then it will be a close affair!

spongeman

Look at Khan and Dunne, both have bouced back from devestating defeats,by plunging into big fights straight away. Whether Duddy has the skills to do so Im not so sure. He probably needs a big fight to get the juices going. Then we will see if he has what it takes.

joepenguin

spongeman wrote: »

Look at Khan and Dunne, both have bouced back from devestating defeats,by plunging into big fights straight away. Whether Duddy has the skills to do so Im not so sure. He probably needs a big fight to get the juices going. Then we will see if he has what it takes.

I agree, I think he needs a challenge to recover from this and needs to see himself as a top class fighter. No point fighting guys like this anymore. He was meant to fight in Ireland this Summer in a high profile fight. I hope he still fights here and maybe looks towards the European scene and gives us some good fights as there are plenty here. Good competitive fights.

EDIT: Its a different scenario to Dunne and Kahn. Duddy needs to fight at his actual level now, take a step up in opponent to keep focused on what he wants to do. Someone decent on the European scene.

spongeman

I agree - he appears to be fighting guys that are not going to advance his career. If he can beat somebody big he would get a title shot.

nacho libre

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=19695

ouch!

spongeman

nacho libre wrote: »

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=19695

ouch!

Just like Pavlik was exposed.............

nacho libre

spongeman wrote: »

Just like Pavlik was exposed.............

Comparing Duddy with Pavlik is not a valid comparison. The obvious difference being Pavlik did not lose to a b-rated fighter. Also, Pavlik was fighting outside of his weight class when he lost. I hope Duddy does go on to do great things but he is clearly not as good a fighter as Pavlik.

Rob113

hard to see Duddy doing anything on the world scene now. He should come back and base himself in Ireland and fight the kind of fights Dunne has been fighting for the past few years. He would still attract good support over here, fill the likes of the stadium / O2. He could stil make a name for himself on the European stage and pick up some decent paycheques along the way.
A change in trainer might not be a bad idea either, teach him some new skills.

joepenguin

I think he needs to settle with a trainer more than anything. Something tells me that this was a lack of effort/motivation on Duddys behalf than training tactics.

Duddy should fight someone rated above him to get back to where he was.

What happens with the ratings now? I see boxrec have moved Duddy from 10 to 30. Lyell is now at 27, dont know what he was before that. alphabet wise will he now be rated where Duddy was automatically?

spongeman

Some good posts above.

I definitely agree with the new trainer. I would be curious to know how much it costs to get Freddie Roach in your corner!

irish32

Duddy needs to get rid of everyone around him, Irish Ropes were greedy, these new ones don't seem to understand Duddy's level on the boxing food chain. Forget the training camps in FL. He needs to base himself in NY, get the Irish there behind him again, get a good marketing person involved. Get a new trainer who can work with him in NY and get someone he can trust to advise him. After that all you need is an accountant and a a lawyer. Easy Peasy!

spongeman

Agreed but you still need talent and natural ability as well tho.

And the right frame of mind.

marcusluck

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his neck must of killed him the next dats thats all i got to say.