New site for searching for Eamons Lies

Sponge Bob

Kildare street is far more navigable than Oireachtas.ie and will mail you alerts when your favourite TD talks . Well done to all.

Todays Lies , Many Thanks To Finian Mc Grath

http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2009-04-09.960.0

"To ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources if the 3G internet service offered by a company (details supplied) in the proposed national broadband scheme is included as a broadband internet service to the OECD’s broadband statistics."

Ryan Deliberately Mixes Wireless and Mobile Broadband up . Wireless is ALREADY reported in OECD Stats but Mobile is not considered to be PROPER wireless by the OECD .

Ryan .

"Mobile network operators first launched mobile broadband services in European countries in 2007. Since its launch in Ireland in Quarter 2 2007, the demand for mobile broadband services has been growing steadily. The latest figures from the Commission for Communications Regulation show that over 25% of Irish broadband subscriptions are mobile subscriptions. The take up of mobile broadband in Ireland is well ahead of the EU-27 average"

What an OUTRAGEOUS LIE Ryan . He then sort of pretends to address the question .

"Because mobile broadband is a relatively recent development the OECD does not yet include mobile broadband subscriptions in its periodic reports."

That is the only truthful sentence . Off he goes lying again .

"However, the matter has been discussed at recent OECD meetings and the need to include wireless data, which encompasses mobile subscriptions, in future reports is accepted. While the finer details of how best to include and report the data needs to agreed, future OECD reports will include data on mobile broadband subscriptions."

Separately from Wireless of course . It is a midband technology . Finian poked him with a stick agin

"To ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources the information available on the national selection process for the national broadband scheme!"

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On 2 May 2007, my Department commenced the tender process for the National Broadband Scheme using the Competitive Dialogue Procurement procedure as set out in the European Communities (Award of Public Authorities’ Contracts) Regulations 2006, which implemented Directive 2004/18/EC.
The process comprised of a number of significant stages: o Prior Indicative Notice (PIN) was published on 30 January 2007 on the etenders website. The full notice is available at www.e-tenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JAN076137. o Contract Notice was published on etenders website on 2 May 2007. The notice is available at www.etenders.gov.ie/Search/Search_Switch.aspx?ID=49185. o By 5 July 2007, my Department had received 11 compliant responses to the first stage of the procurement process, the Pre Qualification Questionnaire. Following the evaluation of these responses, four candidates pre-qualified to enter the next phase of the procurement process. The four candidates were: BT Communications Ireland Ltd Consortium, Eircom Ltd, Hutchison 3G Ireland Ltd and IFA/Motorola Consortium. o Invitation to Participate in Competitive Dialogue (ITPCD) and Revised Invitation to Participate in Competitive Dialogue (RITPCD) – the pre-qualified candidates were then invited to participate in the competitive dialogue process and to present their proposed solutions to meet my Department’s initial requirements for the delivery of broadband to unserved areas of the country (ITPCD). Following this initial response and subsequent dialogue with candidates, the initial requirements and the initial contract evolved and a revised solution was requested as part of RITPCD. At each of these phases, detailed technical, commercial and contract discussions took place with the remaining candidates following my Department’s evaluation of the responses. o The finalised Invitation to Tender (ITT) documentation was issued on 25 August 2008 to the remaining candidates, Eircom Ltd and Hutchison 3G Ireland Ltd. IFA/Motorola Consortium and BT Communications Ireland Ltd Consortium withdrew from the process before the ITT issued.
Two bids were received on 6 October 2008 and following evaluation, the preferred bidder, Hutchison 3G Ireland Ltd was selected on 25 November 2008. My Department entered into the contract with Hutchison 3G Ireland Ltd for the delivery of the National Broadband Scheme on 23 December 2008. Further details regarding the award of the contract were published in the Contract Award Notice "

thebman

How the hell does he get away with these lies?

Surely the people he is addressing must be aware of that he is lying? If not why not? Why bother the asking the question if you've not educated yourself on the issue to know if the answer is the honest answer or a veil of lies and deceit?

bealtine

thebman wrote: »

How the hell does he get away with these lies?

Surely the people he is addressing must be aware of that he is lying? If not why not? Why bother the asking the question if you've not educated yourself on the issue to know if the answer is the honest answer or a veil of lies and deceit?

These "exchanges" are more like pantomime than real life exchanges. They are scripted from beginning to end. The questions are all planned and submitted in advance. The Minister just gets up and reads out the answer.

So in fairness to Minister, his civil servants draft the responses (in big yellow crayon no doubt) and he just gets up to say whatever the Dept want him to say...

He's really just a spokesman (PR person) for the Dept. In reality he has very little input into policy and is just there to take the fall for the civil servants.
They really are digging deep into the pile of excuses on this one.

The old adage applies here, "when you are in a hole put down the shovel"

cgarvey

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ryan .

"Mobile network operators first launched mobile broadband services in European countries in 2007. Since its launch in Ireland in Quarter 2 2007, the demand for mobile broadband services has been growing steadily. The latest figures from the Commission for Communications Regulation show that over 25% of Irish broadband subscriptions are mobile subscriptions. The take up of mobile broadband in Ireland is well ahead of the EU-27 average"

What an OUTRAGEOUS LIE Ryan .

What part is a lie?

Sponge Bob

The Big Lie is that Mobile broadband IS Broadband when it is not . It is midband or even a dialup substitute .

"The latest figures from the Commission for Communications Regulation show that over 25% of Irish broadband subscriptions are mobile subscriptions"

A NON lying version is

' There has been an enormous takeup of what are marketed as Mobile Broadband products which for some people are a suitable substitute for real broadband as defined by the OECD. Many subscribers to proper Broadband additionally use Mobile Broadband technologies but not as their primary connection '

clohamon

Because mobile broadband is a relatively recent development the OECD does not yet include mobile broadband subscriptions in its periodic reports. However, the matter has been discussed at recent OECD meetings and the need to include wireless data, which encompasses mobile subscriptions, in future reports is accepted. While the finer details of how best to include and report the data needs to agreed, future OECD reports will include data on mobile broadband subscriptions.

Half-truths, red herrings, misleading juxtaposition, and other types of semantic misdirection are all fine, but direct lies are not allowed.

Looking at the paragraph above, there is a get-out in every clause. Sure, its an eyeball-licking, turbot-mouthed, dangling-bogey of an answer but I suppose if you end up in the dead-end job of drafting answers to PQs, the only challenge is seeing how close you can get to the line without crossing it.

Its a fine example, but own up SB, did you put Finian McGrath up to it?

Sponge Bob

No . I would have phrased Finians questions better for him and Ryan would have lied anyway .

Shall I email Finian and ask him who put him up to it then ??

The bit of the answer that you quoted Clohamon is a smaller lie , and yet a bigger lie than the first bit . Allow me to deconstruct .

"Because mobile broadband is a relatively recent development the OECD does not yet include mobile broadband subscriptions in its periodic reports."

That is a LIE , Mobile Technology has been included for at least 2 years in the Czech stats . However the Czechs got permission first . This set the precedent that Mobile Subs could be included in Broadband stats but ONLY IF YOU ASKED THE OECD FIRST. Ireland never did .

"However, the matter has been discussed at recent OECD meetings and the need to include wireless data, which encompasses mobile subscriptions, in future reports is accepted. "

This is a LIE . Mobile will be a separate category and will not be included with Fixed Wireless. Fixed Wireless is already reported too . Make that 1.5 lies ...actually 1.8 lies .

"While the finer details of how best to include and report the data needs to agreed, future OECD reports will include data on mobile broadband subscriptions. "

This bit is TRUE . It is always a good idea to finish departmental answers in an upbeat and truthful manner I feel , especially when the rest of it is mendacious tripe and an insult to parliamentary democracy .

As Minister it is reasonably to be expected of Ryan that he directs his own staff to err towards the truth more often in parliamentary replies.

That he has evidently never done so says a lot about his Ministry, after all he shadowed the lies machine for 5 years before he took charge of it

Had he not spent 5 years on communications in opposition I would naturally be far kinder to him and would be way more charitable about a ' predicament' he obviously found himself in . In Ryans case there is no excuse whatsoever .

He is the most disasterous and unprincipled individual to run the Dept of Comms since Ray Burke .

Sponge Bob

Back to the original topic of the post . KildareStreet.com is extremely searchable . For example we can see how often Ryan has referred to 'the market thus'

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155 times

whereas Dempsey

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297 times

and Ahern

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37 times

also

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http://www.kildarestreet.com/search/?s=eamon+ryan+oecd

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clohamon

I agree that the answer is misleading in a lot of ways, but I have a few quibbles with the two "lies".

"Because mobile broadband is a relatively recent development the OECD does not yet include mobile broadband subscriptions in its periodic reports."

That is the only truthful sentence (SB Yesterday, 18:31)

compare with

"Because mobile broadband is a relatively recent development the OECD does not yet include mobile broadband subscriptions in its periodic reports."

That is a LIE (SB Today, 18:32)

The phrase 'mobile broadband subscriptions' could be reasonably interpreted to mean mobile broadband subscriptions as a statistical class common to all countries, not just the Czech exception.

And in fairness you could extract

"...the OECD does not (yet) include mobile broadband subscriptions in its periodic reports."

which is the answer to Finian McGrath's question.

Later I think you jumped the gun again.

"However, the matter has been discussed at recent OECD meetings and the need to include wireless data, which encompasses mobile subscriptions, in future reports is accepted. "

This is a LIE . Mobile will be a separate category and will not be included with Fixed Wireless. Fixed Wireless is already reported too . Make that 1.5 lies ...actually 1.8 lies .

The sentence you quote does not include the word "fixed" or "broadband". There is also a weasel comma, opening a sub-clause after "subscriptions", which changes the sense. It could be interpreted as just an innocuous aspiration to include all wireless data in some form including GSM and GPRS. You have been invited to make a connection that has not been made.

Sponge Bob

clohamon wrote: »

The sentence you quote does not include the word "fixed" or "broadband". There is also a weasel comma, opening a sub-clause after "subscriptions", which changes the sense. It could be interpreted as just an innocuous aspiration to include all wireless data in some form including GSM and GPRS. You have been invited to make a connection that has not been made.

It does not need to . The OECD definition is here and is perfectly straightforward

http://www.oecd.org/document/46/0,3343,en_2649_34225_39575598_1_1_1_1,00.html

I sincerely hope that Ryan is not further cooking the books by adding MMDS to our subscriber figures as the OECD would allow it in certain cases

4. Other
a. Wireless (includes only connections with speeds faster than 256 kbit/s to end users)
i. Includes fixed wireless technologies
1. Satellite
2. LMDS
3. MMDS
4. WiMAX (fixed)
5. Other fixed-wireless transport technologies

ii. Does not include
1. 3G mobile technologies
2. Wi-Fi
3. Exceptions: included in rare case that Wi-Fi/3G is the transport mechanism of a fixed-wireless provider (e.g. in rural UK, CZ)

Missing from that are Ripwave and Clearwire. Ryan and Comreg report them to the OECD as fixed, always have done .

They are not fixed at all as we know.

Mobile is excluded, no more and no less.

croo

Slightly OT, but just listening to lunchtime on newstalk and Eamon Keane declares later Eamon Ryan will join him in the studio... and quote "...of all the ministers he strikes me as one of the competent ones" :eek:

thebman

croo wrote: »

Slightly OT, but just listening to lunchtime on newstalk and Eamon Keane declares later Eamon Ryan will join him in the studio... and quote "...of all the ministers he strikes me as one of the competent ones" :eek:

By any chance is it sponsored by 3

Everything else Ryan appears on lately is suspiciously sponsored by 3 and has no hard questions asked.

Was on late late show with Pat Kenny and the hardest question asked was something along the lines of his favorite colour.

On Last Word with Matt and you could even hear it in Matt's voice that he was holding back compared to his previous attacks on the minister and 3 employees on the program before they were sponsored by 3.

Sponge Bob

On now, maths problems ( banks)

he is jigging around the haircut on property / recap required issue .

actually he is doing no worse than any other minister would .

croo

actually he is doing no worse than any other minister would .

Hmmm... sounds very dangerous to me. FF role out the Greens talking what sounds like common sense to the common man [not that SB is common ], they are not blackened by the last 10 or 12 years. Then, when the masses are convinced FF will quietly screws us all in favour of their paymasters. Stock up on KY jelly while stock lasts is what I say because we are all in for a good buggering! Didn't hear Keane ask why the 20 leading economists of the country think the gov. ideas are not good!

Anyway, it turned out not be a discussion relevant to IoL so I won't comment further ...