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Golf Classic Prize.....rediculous

  • 21-04-2009 3:14pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭


    :mad: I played in a Classic last Saturday. Team of three and the format was one score to count everywhere except par 3s where two scores counted. There are 4 par 3s so it was the equivilant of 22 holes to count. Our team had one lad off 15, one off 11, and one off 13 (me). So we go out and score 61 points which I thought was pretty damn good. We were one over par. When we handed in our card we were told that we were leading at that point with about 10 teams left to come in. Anyway we were beaten by a point with the winners getting a weekend for two away each in a Cork hotel. Nothing to write home about like!! I called to the clubhouse sunday evening to collect my prize....drumroll........lunch for two in a hotel in Macroom. "Lunch" :eek: Not even an evening meal with a bottle of wine thrown in!! Probably worth about €30 max. It was €150 to enter a team but this is what we got for coming 2nd. I was 2nd in a different classic last year and got a Wilson Carry bag. Does this sound a bit sh!tty to people?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭SoupyNorman


    Few questions,

    What course did you play?
    How many prizes were there in total?
    Did you not check the prizes before paying your fee if they were going to be so important to you?


    €150 was not too bad to enter a team (considering the 1st prize) and I can imagine you'd not of posted if you had of won. :rolleyes:

    That is an excellent 1st prize, although being a golfer that is never really likely to win a classic or society outing (for the foreseeable future) I prefer to see a more even distribution of the prize fund, however I would'nt refuse to pay may fee based on prize selection/distribution!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭scout353


    Played in golf classic in Waterford recently - team of four €250 incl meal afterward. We got goody bag (drink, fruit, chocolate) and prizes were fairly decent....

    Fourball in Killarney + B&B in hotel
    Fourball in Mount Juliet
    Fourball in K-Club

    plus other prizes!

    Finished just outside prizes but nice day, nice course and prizes were decent!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    Few questions,

    What course did you play?
    How many prizes were there in total?
    Did you not check the prizes before paying your fee if they were going to be so important to you?


    €150 was not too bad to enter a team (considering the 1st prize) and I can imagine you'd not of posted if you had of won. :rolleyes:

    That is an excellent 1st prize, although being a golfer that is never really likely to win a classic or society outing (for the foreseeable future) I prefer to see a more even distribution of the prize fund, however I would'nt refuse to pay may fee based on prize selection/distribution!


    No 1st prize wasn't bad & no I didn't check the prizes before I played. I was asked by a friend if I would play.......Should I have said I'd play, and then when I arrive at the course and while I am paying, ask the lady what the prizes are and then tell her "no I've changed my mind now cos the prizes are sh1t".
    The course is Kanturk (not that it matters). And I don't know how many prizes were on offer. I presume there was a third prize but I can only imagine what that was. A voucher for a bunch of bananas at the fruit & veg shop in Blarney maybe. A lunch voucher for a hotel that is 30 miles away wouldn't be a good prize even if it was a raffle prize.

    39 teams took part too so a nice few euro made


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭SoupyNorman


    denisoc16 wrote: »
    No 1st prize wasn't bad & no I didn't check the prizes before I played. I was asked by a friend if I would play.......Should I have said I'd play, and then when I arrive at the course and while I am paying, ask the lady what the prizes are and then tell her "no I've changed my mind now cos the prizes are sh1t".
    The course is Kanturk (not that it matters). And I don't know how many prizes were on offer. I presume there was a third prize but I can only imagine what that was. A voucher for a bunch of bananas at the fruit & veg shop in Blarney maybe. A lunch voucher for a hotel that is 30 miles away wouldn't be a good prize even if it was a raffle prize.

    39 teams took part too so a nice few euro made


    Ok, in short you paid €50 for a game of golf, won a prize. So you are up on the day, although you may not agree with the prizes given out the prize you won isnt 'ridiculous' (A pack of balls would have warranted that title).


    In terms of there being a few quid taken in on the day, I would never want to see people trying to profit from golf (apart from my club).


    If you had an enjoyable game and won a prize...chill out :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭thegen


    Funny I have never thought about the prizes on offer at Classics. I have always thought that they were by way of raising money.

    I have seen superb prizes givin out at some classics but the cost of a team has expensive €500 to €1000. €150 is very cheap and as a previous poster said, you got a game of golf and a prize worth €30. I'd be happy myself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,828 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Is the idea of a classic not to make a few quid?
    You paid €50 for your round and you probably got some free food as well. You came second and got a prize. What did you expect?
    Thank god I don't play with people like you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭soundsham


    you got good enough value although kanturk is a pretty crap course for €50/man...or anything over €20 imo

    but think of the big picture had to be supporting something in that locality


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    Was the Classic in aid of charity?

    I've been asked to go to one and the way I'll approach it is as follows........


    Forget about winning any prizes. Do I think it's reasonable value ( that's if it's not for charity)?

    If it's for charity then forget the prizes. I am one of the lucky people who can enjoy the gift of golf.......the people who are benefiting from the money would love to be able to say that. Every game I play is a bonus as it's not going to last forever.

    If I do win anything then I've also taken more pride in having played well than any prize I have got.

    Sorry if I sound pompous but the very fact that I am able to enjoy a good golf course is worth far more than a weekend break in any hotel.

    I played an event last year for severely handicapped children and came 2nd. I was and still am embarrassed to say that I broke even or maybe even made some money out of the day.....that's not what a charity event should be (I would have been happy to have received a token trophy that I had to give back at the end of the night).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Stockdam you have restored my faith in human nature


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭scout353


    Stockdam you have restored my faith in human nature

    +1

    Winning a few prizes is great but in reality, playing well is what I find it is all about. You go out and do your best - how many times have you come off the course and wondered about recreating that one swing that felt absolutely perfect?

    I love each and every opportunity to play golf and I try to play my best each and every time - but in the 15 years or so of playing this game I have won less than ten prizes - does it matter, hell no!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    soundsham wrote: »
    you got good enough value although kanturk is a pretty crap course for €50/man...or anything over €20 imo


    Have you played it recently. It's my home course and I wouldn't call it "crap".

    Anyway, thats not the point. The Classic was for Cork Ladies Football. Look, my point was that I'm not going to drive 30 miles to use a lunch voucher that is probably worth €20-€30. That's all I'm saying. And I'm not saying "jeez I really wanted that weekend away prize". But I'm not going to apologise just because I think that 2nd prize was crap. Just my point of view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭george67


    I played in classic where the winners raffled off their prizes for the charity. 4 x 28 widescreen tv. A very noble jesture IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭A.Partridge


    stockdam wrote: »
    Was the Classic in aid of charity?

    I've been asked to go to one and the way I'll approach it is as follows........


    Forget about winning any prizes. Do I think it's reasonable value ( that's if it's not for charity)?

    If it's for charity then forget the prizes. I am one of the lucky people who can enjoy the gift of golf.......the people who are benefiting from the money would love to be able to say that. Every game I play is a bonus as it's not going to last forever.

    If I do win anything then I've also taken more pride in having played well than any prize I have got.

    Sorry if I sound pompous but the very fact that I am able to enjoy a good golf course is worth far more than a weekend break in any hotel.

    I played an event last year for severely handicapped children and came 2nd. I was and still am embarrassed to say that I broke even or maybe even made some money out of the day.....that's not what a charity event should be (I would have been happy to have received a token trophy that I had to give back at the end of the night).

    here, here...well said.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭SoupyNorman


    stockdam wrote: »
    Was the Classic in aid of charity?

    I've been asked to go to one and the way I'll approach it is as follows........


    Forget about winning any prizes. Do I think it's reasonable value ( that's if it's not for charity)?

    If it's for charity then forget the prizes. I am one of the lucky people who can enjoy the gift of golf.......the people who are benefiting from the money would love to be able to say that. Every game I play is a bonus as it's not going to last forever.

    If I do win anything then I've also taken more pride in having played well than any prize I have got.

    Sorry if I sound pompous but the very fact that I am able to enjoy a good golf course is worth far more than a weekend break in any hotel.

    I played an event last year for severely handicapped children and came 2nd. I was and still am embarrassed to say that I broke even or maybe even made some money out of the day.....that's not what a charity event should be (I would have been happy to have received a token trophy that I had to give back at the end of the night).


    Although I agree with the main crux of your post I think your coming from the extreme opposite point of view of the OP. I too am one of the 'lucky few' that enjoy the gift of golf, its abit of an unfair statement to assume most golfers dont enjoy the gift of golf. When I play my main objectives are :

    enjoyment,
    improvement,
    enjoyment,
    improvement,
    enjoyment,
    improvement,
    enjoyment,
    improvement,..etc.

    Should I win a prize, not likely, but great!


    In terms of prizes, I believe that when you pay to play in a classic you are going to pay over the odds (in most cases) to play so in just palying you are contributing towards the cause, I dont think winners should feel at all obligated nor be expected to hand back prizes. (Same goes for Charity driven classics but I would hand my prize back in such a case?)

    Golf can be an expensive sport to be a part of, and it takes a long time for most to get to a good level of skill so when you are good enough you should reap the rewards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭soundsham


    denisoc16 wrote: »
    Have you played it recently. It's my home course and I wouldn't call it "crap".

    Anyway, thats not the point. The Classic was for Cork Ladies Football. Look, my point was that I'm not going to drive 30 miles to use a lunch voucher that is probably worth €20-€30. That's all I'm saying. And I'm not saying "jeez I really wanted that weekend away prize". But I'm not going to apologise just because I think that 2nd prize was crap. Just my point of view.


    sorry no offence meant but found it short, dangerous due to tee boxes positions in 1st few holes,good few dog leg holes, not that great a clubhouse & shoddy dressing rooms,and defo not worth €25+ at weekends imo..........that was about 3-4 years ago hopefully it has changed

    glad to hear you were supporting the ladies at least they will probably win again this year, well done

    the mens hurlers have been charging a grand the last few years in muskerry......interesting to see what it costs this year and who will support it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭pansoul


    Denis, do you realise that it is very hard to go asking businesses to sponsor prizes for things at the moment; and even then, if you do ask, they may not be able to afford to give anything. Furthermore, it sounds like you paid on the day so the organisers may not have had much money in the kitty to go buying prizes before the event.

    You complain that you only got a lunch voucher, not even dinner. It may, in that case, be an idea to suggest to the hotel that you could put the voucher towards the cost of an evening meal. I'd be surprised if they weren't amenable to such a suggestion.


    Overall though, reading that first post I was thinking of those people who go to table quizzes just to win, not to support the cause. "Sharks" or "on the circuit" is how they are sometimes referred to I believe. They are generally disliked by normal people, and rightly acquire an undesirable reputation. I would have little sympathy for such people if they happened to win a bottle of whiskey but were Pioneers, or won a free-lunch voucher but had to incur significant petrol costs to avail of it. Actually, I think I'd allow a rare Schadenfreude-inflected smirk to dance across my face if that were to happen. And it has in this case. So here I go - :):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    Gimme a break Pansoul.....chill out a bit....... and are you coming down off of that high horse today or are you staying up a little longer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭Flan45


    yawn,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭BUACHAILL


    pansoul wrote: »

    Overall though, reading that first post I was thinking of those people who go to table quizzes just to win, not to support the cause. "Sharks" or "on the circuit" is how they are sometimes referred to I believe. They are generally disliked by normal people, and rightly acquire an undesirable reputation. I would have little sympathy for such people if they happened to win a bottle of whiskey but were Pioneers, or won a free-lunch voucher but had to incur significant petrol costs to avail of it. Actually, I think I'd allow a rare Schadenfreude-inflected smirk to dance across my face if that were to happen. And it has in this case. So here I go - :):)


    Pansoul are people not aloud to have an opinion anymore? whatever way you want to look at things he paid his money and supported the event!!

    He felt the prize wasnt great and he his entitled to if he wishes he paid his money. I think he has clearly stated that he is not just in it for the prize and to be honest I believe him. You can try argue all u want but it looks petty and childish to assume he is a shark or anything like it. If these events are struggling for prizes etc its not his fault and I think its easy to just play the recession card !!

    Surely it would not have been as bad if it was say a gui voucher for the same value or something which can be used anywhere, its not the value of the prize its the inconvenience of it and I very much agree. that said I feel he got great value for his money but again I dont think he disagree's with that either.

    Smirk all you want


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Mister Sifter


    Can't say i ever go out to win a prize. In fact, worrying about 'what i'll get' is never a consideration.

    When i go out, it's all about

    1 - enjoyment
    2 - playing well
    3 - getting my handicap cut

    A prize is a by-product of all that. If i get one, fine. If i like it, even better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭BUACHAILL


    Graeme1982 wrote: »
    Can't say i ever go out to win a prize. In fact, worrying about 'what i'll get' is never a consideration.

    When i go out, it's all about

    1 - enjoyment
    2 - playing well
    3 - getting my handicap cut

    A prize is a by-product of all that. If i get one, fine. If i like it, even better.


    I completely agree, I play always for my handicap
    enjoyment is a given or I would not play the game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    Graeme1982 wrote: »
    Can't say i ever go out to win a prize. In fact, worrying about 'what i'll get' is never a consideration.

    When i go out, it's all about

    1 - enjoyment
    2 - playing well
    3 - getting my handicap cut

    A prize is a by-product of all that. If i get one, fine. If i like it, even better.

    Ya, I'd agree 100% Graeme. When I'm playing singles at my home course (or away for that matter) it's all about playing well & enjoying it. (I seem to enjoy it more when I play well too by the way, so I put them in that order:D) And if that happens then the handicap will look after itself, ie come down. And it wouldnt bother me if I had 43 points and was beaten into 5th place. I would have played well, enjoyed myself & gotten cut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭pansoul


    denisoc16 wrote: »
    Gimme a break Pansoul.....chill out a bit....... and are you coming down off of that high horse today or are you staying up a little longer?

    I suppose I'll be up on that high horse for as long as you feel that a prize in a €50 golf classic being a bit inconvenient for you is ridiculous!

    I empathise with your disappointment with the prize (a tinge of disappointment is only natural really), but I think it's wrong to raise that disappointment without also acknowledging that you only paid a relatively small €50 to play, that it was a fund-raising event, that you played well and enjoyed the day anyway, that at least you won something of some value, and that in fairness to the organisers it might be hard to get decent prizes from businesses at the moment.

    I merely tried to illustrate what I thought you came across like, it's just a pity you thought I was on a high horse rather than taking what I said constructively.

    BUACHAILL wrote: »
    Pansoul are people not aloud to have an opinion anymore?

    Hang on there Boy. :)
    I wasn't trying to suppress any opinion. Nor did I even disagree that a voucher for lunch in Macroom is a bit inconvenient for someone living around Kanturk. So yes, people can have opinions, but saying a prize is inconvenient for you is hardly an opinion - it's a moan. (That said, I've little problem with people moaning once they see a wider context than their own narrow concerns.)
    You can try argue all u want but it looks petty and childish to assume he is a shark or anything like it.
    Ok maybe "shark" sounds overly ferocious in this context. But being upset at the relative meatiness of a prize does show certain predatory instincts unbecoming of a human playing in a €50 fund-raiser.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭BUACHAILL


    pansoul wrote: »
    I suppose I'll be up on that high horse for as long as you feel that a prize in a €50 golf classic being a bit inconvenient for you is ridiculous!

    I empathise with your disappointment with the prize (a tinge of disappointment is only natural really), but I think it's wrong to raise that disappointment without also acknowledging that you only paid a relatively small €50 to play, that it was a fund-raising event, that you played well and enjoyed the day anyway, that at least you won something of some value, and that in fairness to the organisers it might be hard to get decent prizes from businesses at the moment.

    I merely tried to illustrate what I thought you came across like, it's just a pity you thought I was on a high horse rather than taking what I said constructively.




    Hang on there Boy. :)
    I wasn't trying to suppress any opinion. Nor did I even disagree that a voucher for lunch in Macroom is a bit inconvenient for someone living around Kanturk. So yes, people can have opinions, but saying a prize is inconvenient for you is hardly an opinion - it's a moan. (That said, I've little problem with people moaning once they see a wider context than their own narrow concerns.)

    Ok maybe "shark" sounds overly ferocious in this context. But being upset at the relative meatiness of a prize does show certain predatory instincts unbecoming of a human playing in a €50 fund-raiser.


    GLAD YOU CLEARED ALL THAT UP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭ShriekingSheet


    Graeme1982 wrote: »
    Can't say i ever go out to win a prize. In fact, worrying about 'what i'll get' is never a consideration.

    When i go out, it's all about

    1 - enjoyment
    2 - playing well
    3 - getting my handicap cut

    A prize is a by-product of all that. If i get one, fine. If i like it, even better.

    +1

    Although I always go out to win, but not to win a prize. Just thinking back through some of the best scores I've ever had and could nearly tell you to the decimal point what it meant in terms of handicap, can remember shots I hit on the day and with what clubs etc but haven't a notion what prizes I got for any of them prior to the last 12 months.

    Dennis, I think everyone sees your POV. It's not a great prize but it's just a bit much to go off on one about it I think.

    It's just not worth worrying about golf prizes anyway- they're so random in relation to actual performance.
    In the last year I've played to my handicap in a corporate day and got a nike driver worth €400, chopped around in a society day and got a rescue worth €200 and shot +1 gross in a Junior Scratch Cup and got a jumper. It's just the way it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    its all about prizes for me, charity begins at home;):rolleyes:


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