Gardai shot at during high speed chase

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from Irishtimes.com

Its getting dangerous out there!!!


Gardaí shot at during high-speed car chase

GARDAÍ WERE shot at over the weekend when they chased two suspected gangland criminals whom they believe attempted to flee the scene of a gun attack at the home of a woman targeted in a case of mistaken identity. The high-speed chase took place in southwest Dublin on Saturday night.

The two men being questioned about the shootings are believed to be members of one of two crime gangs involved in a gangland feud in Dublin’s neighbouring Crumlin and Drimnagh suburbs.

The feud has cost 15 lives, either directly or indirectly, in the past 10 years. Gardaí were alerted to a shooting incident on Keeper Road, Drimnagh, at around 11.30pm on Saturday. At least one round hit the front window of the property.

Two detectives were dispatched to investigate. As they drove towards the crime scene, a black Audi car carrying the men suspected of the house shooting sped past the Garda car on the opposite side of the road.

The detectives turned their vehicle around and pursued the suspects’ car at speed. The car chase continued across southwest Dublin towards Walkinstown. At least one shot was discharged from the suspects’ car at the chasing Garda vehicle.

The men were arrested at a car park on St Peter’s Road, Walkinstown. A Walter .22 hand gun was found close by. It was thrown from the suspects’ car just before they were arrested.

One of the suspects is in his mid-20s while the other is in his early 30s. Both men were taken for questioning to Crumlin and Sundrive Road Garda stations. They are being detained under Section 30 of the Offences Against the State Act and can be held for up to 72 hours without charge.

The car they were travelling in and the gun found by gardaí were taken for forensic examination.

Garda sources said both arrested men are associates of the leader of one of the drug gangs involved in the Crumlin-Drimnagh feud. The gang leader is serving a number of prison sentences for drug and gun crime. A number of years ago he was also arrested with a gun after a high-speed chase during which a Garda car was fired at.

Gardaí believe the two men under arrest had gone to shoot at a house on Keeper Road on Saturday night where a member of an opposing gang lives. However, the men shot the wrong house. A woman who was at home at the time on her own was uninjured.

The attack is the latest in series of non fatal feud-related shootings at houses in Crumlin and Drimnagh in recent weeks.

The last person killed in feud-related violence was Séamus O’Byrne. The 27-year-old from Drimnagh was shot outside a house at Tymon North Park in Tallaght on March 13th. His partner was wounded as she tried to grab the gun from the killer.

O’Byrne was a member of the same gang as the men arrested on Saturday night. The feud started when one young drug dealer was accused by his associates of being a Garda informer. Two factions emerged and they have been feuding for almost 10 years.

Trojan911

Luckily no one else, publicwise, was hit by this apparent reckless discharge.

donvito99

RSUs everywhere NOW!

donvito99

donvito99 wrote: »

RSUs everywhere NOW!

I don't think it would have made any difference if the RSU were behind this lot. They may have been caught a little quicker. You need to remember that in the DMR (Dublin Region) there is usually a large amount of armed units on patrol all of the time. And you could guess that with the ongoing "dispute" between the gangs that there are extra patrols in the areas already. Similar to Limerick, just not with such obvious cars.

alfie

foreign wrote: »

And you could guess that with the ongoing "dispute" between the gangs that there are extra patrols in the areas already. Similar to Limerick, just not with such obvious cars.

You might be led to believe there is but the simple fact is there is no money to pay overtime for extra patrols and that includes the Crumlin district

alfie

alfie wrote: »

You might be led to believe there is but the simple fact is there is no money to pay overtime for extra patrols and that includes the Crumlin district

True, but Anvil still has a budget and there are units that are a little secretive who are still knocking around.

Slippin Jimmy

People are just scumbags. I never get why people want to injure guards. It's a disgrace!

Zambia

"Gardai shot at during high speed chase"


"Gangsters car sprayed with pepper spray fails to stop"

Never laugh at a .22 it will probably go though the door of a standard sedan, unless you roll down the window.

bearded1

The rapid response might be attributed to the fact that Keeper Road is around the corner from Sundrive Garda Station. Bout 100m away.
Also for reference the first murder that kicked all this off happened <200m from the same station.

If the detectives were armed can they not return fire if fired upon?

cushtac

Zambia232 wrote: »

"Gangsters car sprayed with pepper spray fails to stop"

What article was that in?

Faheywitane

bearded1 wrote: »

If the detectives were armed can they not return fire if fired upon?

Just because they can doesn't mean that the circumstances would be allow to it.

TheNog

bearded1 wrote: »

If the detectives were armed can they not return fire if fired upon?

Christ I wouldnt imagine any member should return fire from a moving car. If the car being fired upon or the car being fired from where to hit a bump in the road or swerve and the bullet was to miss it could hit an innocent bystander or damage property. TBH imo it be reckless to do that.

eroo

TheNog wrote: »

Christ I wouldnt imagine any member should return fire from a moving car. If the car being fired upon or the car being fired from where to hit a bump in the road or swerve and the bullet was to miss it could hit an innocent bystander or damage property. TBH imo it be reckless to do that.

It would be like that fillum with Kevin Spacey.. the Garda hanging out the window popping off that Uzi!

donvito99

foreign wrote: »

I don't think it would have made any difference if the RSU were behind this lot. They may have been caught a little quicker. You need to remember that in the DMR (Dublin Region) there is usually a large amount of armed units on patrol all of the time. And you could guess that with the ongoing "dispute" between the gangs that there are extra patrols in the areas already. Similar to Limerick, just not with such obvious cars.

But these units are not in marked vehicle there by having at least some preventative measures of this kind of thing happening in the first place.

donvito99

donvito99 wrote: »

But these units are not in marked vehicle there by having at least some preventative measures of this kind of thing happening in the first place.

Didn't stop Roy Collins getting murdered. No matter where Gardai are deployed they can't be on every street.

donvito99

foreign wrote: »

Didn't stop Roy Collins getting murdered. No matter where Gardai are deployed they can't be on every street.

But if criminals know that the Gardai mean business in the dublin area, whos to say that incidents like this might decrease in the future.

donvito99

donvito99 wrote: »

But if criminals know that the Gardai mean business in the dublin area, whos to say that incidents like this might decrease in the future.

The criminals know well what Gardai are around and almost know the shifts as well as us. They know that the organised crime units and eru are patrolling, sure it's in the newspaper almost every week. And sure the bosses don't care as they are not the ones actually doing the shooting, just some muppet who may owe them money or a gun for hire.

bearded1

happyhappy wrote: »

it may not have anything to do with it, it's a common misconception that when something happens loads of cars come out of a garda station like a fire brigade service. mostly the cars are out patrolling and could be anywhere in the district.

Key word there being mostly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if there was a vehicle available in the station, and the incident happened around the corner, that vehicle would respond first?

bearded1

bearded1 wrote: »

Key word there being mostly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if there was a vehicle available in the station, and the incident happened around the corner, that vehicle would respond first?

Unless the car crew are sitting in the car with the engine running, and the car park gate is opened then possibly not.

ste88m

bearded1 wrote: »

Key word there being mostly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if there was a vehicle available in the station, and the incident happened around the corner, that vehicle would respond first?

Well it depends... That vehicle could be in the station for a number of reasons!
1) Members are on a lunch break (in this case they will probably respond)
2) Members who are meant to be crewing the car are doing paperwork (they'll probably respond in this case also)
3) No one has done the car course.
4) Anyone who hasn't done the car couse hasn't got chiefs'
5) The car is grounded for safety reasons. (Punctured tyre, non-working seat belt, engine trouble etc.)
6) Unit is understaffed.
7) The car you see is not for the regular units use. It may be for com-pol or other specialist units which are not on duty..

Or any other reasons. So, no, just because the car is there doesn't mean it can respond.

Zambia

cushtac wrote: »

What article was that in?

Sorry made it up, however whenever I used to hear of Gardai being injured badly its normally when some scumbag drives a stolen Honda or the like at them.

Hence its was a cheap stab at the lack of protection Gardai have in these situations.