Why there are no top class Irish SF4 players

animaX

Ever wonder why there are no world class Irish street fighter 4 players? Think i found out why:

Follow this link and change the currency to euro (top right of the screen):
http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/8708569/Street-Fighter-IV-Premium-Xbox-360-FightStick-Arcade-Controller-Tournament-Edition/Product.html?cur=257

Is that the most ridiculous rate you've ever seen?!

Retr0gamer

I refuse to buy from play until they sort out that currency conversion bull****.

Oh and there's no good irish players because I was busy when all the tournaments were on

Sgt Hartman

animaX wrote: »

Ever wonder why there are no world class Irish street fighter 4 players? Think i found out why:

Follow this link and change the currency to euro (top right of the screen):
http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/8708569/Street-Fighter-IV-Premium-Xbox-360-FightStick-Arcade-Controller-Tournament-Edition/Product.html?cur=257

Is that the most ridiculous rate you've ever seen?!

No thanks, I bloody HATE joysticks. That's why I was never much cop at arcade games. Could never get used to joysticks.

animaX

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Oh and there's no good irish players because I was busy when all the tournaments were on

Haha, nice one! I Think we'll have to stick with lower quality sticks for now

K.O.Kiki

Stick-touting: the new way to screw over your fellow players.

... there must be some way to do this cheaper...

Creature

Because there's no point the Japanese pwn all.

K.O.Kiki

Ever heard of Tomo Ohira?

He played SF2 from WW to Super SF2 (quitting around SSF2Turbo), and by all accounts he could have whipped anyone.

Look up Tomo's pal Jeff Schaeffer whipping Daigo at Hyper SF2 (it's on youtube).

He PERFECTS Daigo.

And, by his own admission, Jeff almost never beats Tomo. So...

Azza

You could simply rename this thread why there are no top class Irish (insert game name here) players

A stick does not make a player (incidently I have that stick for PS3). A scene does. There is no Irish fighting scene therefore there is no really good Irish players. Generally speaking fighting game scenes are linked into the arcade scene of which there is none of in Ireland.

To be top class at any game yes you need good equipment to compete on an even playing field but you must also be (a) like the game (b) put in serious time and effort (c) have a decent selection of good quaility opponents to play against.

An online scene while better than nothing is still a poor option compared to arcade/meet ups as fighting games and lag are a no no.

Dreddybajs

Yep, pretty much agree with what Azza posted. This is a silly thread.

TheWitch06

There -could- be good players if there was a good enough scene in Ireland but It's sooo hard to become good at the game when there is no scene.

Onearmedbandit

animaX wrote: »

Ever wonder why there are no world class Irish street fighter 4 players? Think i found out why:

Follow this link and change the currency to euro (top right of the screen):
http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/8708569/Street-Fighter-IV-Premium-Xbox-360-FightStick-Arcade-Controller-Tournament-Edition/Product.html?cur=257

Is that the most ridiculous rate you've ever seen?!

They are taken the absolute piss. €1.67 to the pound and central bank rate is €1.12. Has anyone emailed them to complain?

animaX

Dreddybajs wrote: »

Yep, pretty much agree with what Azza posted. This is a silly thread.

You're missing the point of the thread!! I was complaining about the sterling conversion rate on the tournament fight stick on play.com. The title of the thread was just a sarcastic remark!

TheWitch06

animaX wrote: »

You're missing the point of the thread!! I was complaining about the sterling conversion rate on the tournament fight stick on play.com. The title of the thread was just a sarcastic remark!

You obviously need to look elsewhere for a stick then....

How about this one?

http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/hori_pro_arcade_ex_xbox_360.jpg

and yeah, the price for the stick in €'s is wayyy over the top.

animaX

I have a hori stick (EX2 i think, the Soul Calibur special edition) but am looking for another so I thought I'd check out the official madcatz ones. But wow! You could buy 3 xbox360's for the price of that stick, haha

Dreddybajs

You could get a custom stick made and shipped from the UK for around 150 quid, I'd say.

FutureGuy

Dreddybajs wrote: »

You could get a custom stick made and shipped from the UK for around 150 quid, I'd say.

Do you have a link?

K.O.Kiki

Sad thing is, the MadCatz TE has an RRP of under €200.

Dreddybajs

FutureGuy wrote: »

Do you have a link?

neoempire.com or shoryuken.com would be your best bet - there was a thread on neoempire a few weeks ago with a guy building sticks with a choice of sanwa or seimetsu buttons, around 150 quid.

Azza

animaX wrote:

You're missing the point of the thread!! I was complaining about the sterling conversion rate on the tournament fight stick on play.com. The title of the thread was just a sarcastic remark!

Try to remember to use smilie faces then. Text on a message forum does not have a different tone of voice nor can I see you blinking when your typing up your message.

Only about 13% of boards.ie users are psychic!

Holsten

I really don't get this thing for sticks?

I hate them... what can you do with sticks that you can't do with a controller?

Azza

Holsten wrote:

I hate them... what can you do with sticks that you can't do with a controller?

Not suck!

Cunny-Funt

Azza wrote: »

You could simply rename this thread why there are no top class Irish (insert game name here) players

A stick does not make a player (incidently I have that stick for PS3). A scene does. There is no Irish fighting scene therefore there is no really good Irish players. Generally speaking fighting game scenes are linked into the arcade scene of which there is none of in Ireland.

To be top class at any game yes you need good equipment to compete on an even playing field but you must also be (a) like the game (b) put in serious time and effort (c) have a decent selection of good quaility opponents to play against.

An online scene while better than nothing is still a poor option compared to arcade/meet ups as fighting games and lag are a no no.

This^

All these tourney players you see are japanese and american cause theres was/is a thriving arcade scene there for years. (not so much in the US anymore from what I heard) Nothing in the EU came close, least of all Ireland (from my understanding, I only know SF through consoles)

In terms of an Irish scene, one thing that could potentially really boost that would be a feckin Fighting game section on Boards.ie god damn it. (click sig)

Sabre0001

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Oh and there's no good irish players because I was busy when all the tournaments were on

XBox 360 // PS3

NeoKubrick

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

This^

All these tourney players you see are japanese and american cause theres was/is a thriving arcade scene there for years. (not so much in the US anymore from what I heard) Nothing in the EU came close, least of all Ireland (from my understanding, I only know SF through consoles)

In terms of an Irish scene, one thing that could potentially really boost that would be a feckin Fighting game section on Boards.ie god damn it. (click sig)

Actually holding a Street Fighter offline event would help, not a sub-forum on 'The-Only-Irish-Forum-On-The-Internet'.

K.O.Kiki

NeoKubrick wrote: »

Actually holding a Street Fighter offline event would help, not a sub-forum on 'The-Only-Irish-Forum-On-The-Internet'.

We already had an off-line event the other Saturday in Dublin.
Bet you didn't know about it, eh?

NeoKubrick

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

We already had an off-line event the other Saturday in Dublin.
Bet you didn't know about it, eh?

Ah, Kierkegaard-copy. Did Cunny-Funt organize this offline event the other Saturday in Dublin, which I'm assuming is the Xtreme Gaming Cafe tournament? If he didn't, then, your attempt to condescend fails and the wink smiley only reinforces the parody of your attempt, and my advice (post), to quit dedicating time to begging for a sub-forum and start dedicating time to organizing good events, stands as the former will generate interest in talking about fighting games and the latter, in attending events (e.g. boosting the "Irish scene").


On a side note, a vBulletin yearly license costs a meager €80, and hosting would be minimal. If you want the Irish scene to grow, why don't you two scrap together €40 each (Azza looks dedicated enough to pitch-in) and set-up a forum and main-page of your own? That's much more productive for the Irish scene than going cap-in-hand to administrators.

Bet you didn't know that, huh?

animaX

Dreddybajs wrote: »

You could get a custom stick made and shipped from the UK for around 150 quid, I'd say.

Link? What parts, Sanwa?

Cunny-Funt

Fair enough then guess the pro evo/fifa section is even more useless , should be deleted so.

Half (if not a hell of a lot more) the people who are into SF4 on boards wouldnt have even been aware of the tourney KO mentioned. If there was a fighting game section they would have.


You football game players wanna have a tourney/ league it'd be posted in the pro evo/fifa section and all the football game fans here will know about it.

I really don't need to go on , you should get the point.

Starting some random obscure irish SF forum it'd take feckin years to reach the level of discussion the one single "SF4 count down thread" did. I dunno you sound really bitter to me for some reason.

CodeMonkey

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Half (if not a hell of a lot more) the people who are into SF4 on boards wouldnt have even been aware of the tourney KO mentioned. If there was a fighting game section they would have.

Yeah, I would have gone to it if I knew it was on. Was it even advertised anywhere?

K.O.Kiki

There was a new thread made about it in Events & Tournaments > Competitive Gaming about 2/3 days before the event.

Granted, that's very little time, but the fact you don't know shows our want/need for a Boards.ie Fighting game section.

Sabre0001

Put up a post on the eSports.ie calendar but again, got very little notice about it...Plus it was impossible to get info thanks to a malfunctioning website, phone number AND e-mail address

NeoKubrick

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Fair enough then guess the pro evo/fifa section is even more useless , should be deleted so.

Half (if not a hell of a lot more) the people who are into SF4 on boards wouldnt have even been aware of the tourney KO mentioned. If there was a fighting game section they would have.


You football game players wanna have a tourney/ league it'd be posted in the pro evo/fifa section and all the football game fans here will know about it.

I really don't need to go on , you should get the point.

Starting some random obscure irish SF forum it'd take feckin years to reach the level of discussion the one single "SF4 count down thread" did. I dunno you sound really bitter to me for some reason.

I don't think you understand my point. It's only common-sense that Boards.ie should have a Fighting-game sub-forum (personally, they can delete the PES/FIFA forum for all I care: naught but filled with 'I-used-to-love-PES' sheep), but why go cap-in-hand to administrators when it's extremely viable to just create your own forum? You'd have control over all the content, and events can be more publicized by front-page news on vBulletin than they would, hid away in a thread (the date of that tournament in the title was wrong: 4th April).

Nothing ever worthwhile is easy. Every forum started out as obscure. You have a subject of interest in competitive fighting games, a dedicated fanbase and most likely a monopoly on the Irish fighting-game scene. Hell, there's so much content out there for SFIV right now, you only need to know how to copy and paste to fill a front-page or forum with interesting videos and discussion.

That's much more productive to developing the Irish scene. I'm not bitter, just amazed people will go to such an amount of effort to achieve something so small.

Cuddlesworth

Dreddybajs wrote: »

neoempire.com or shoryuken.com would be your best bet - there was a thread on neoempire a few weeks ago with a guy building sticks with a choice of sanwa or seimetsu buttons, around 150 quid.

All the custom builders are on a huge backlog at the moment. Talking months here.

Dreddybajs

The thread I saw had no backlog, and quite new, so you might get lucky.

Polar101

animaX wrote: »

Is that the most ridiculous rate you've ever seen?!

It's actually just the PlayTrade merchant who is doing that conversion, not play.com. For example the game in question sells for 29.99 sterling or 38.99 euro, which is slightly more acceptable as far as conversion rates go.

And of course, it's always possible to pay more at your local shop if conversion rates aren't your thing.

Fanny Cradock

I'm willing to bet that some electronics engineer could knock together a decent arcade controller for a 10th of the Euro cost.

http://www.jammaboards.com/store/arcade-joystick-and-button-switches/cat_35.html?ccSID285e73f64c04744fc5f33ff68f529742=6fb7e40204c224188436c4dcfd06b9f3

Kinetic^

There's been no top players as there's been no scene. Da Bounca started the regular meetings originally with SCIV and this has created a lot of interest. I just hope it keeps going as it's a very entertaining genre to spectate.

Cunny-Funt

NeoKubrick wrote: »

I'm not bitter, just amazed people will go to such an amount of effort to achieve something so small.

Okay I get yea. Fair enough points. Just on your last point there, personally theres not that much effort really, I started a thread and I post in it every few days - weeks. Versus what your talking about, personally, I just don't have the money time and frankly, responsibility to start my very own Irish fighting game/SF community from scratch.

I just think its utterly pathetic that theres no fighting game section on boards.ie when looking at the sections it DOES have, its mind blowing.

But im optimistic for the future.

K.O.Kiki

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that some electronics engineer could knock together a decent arcade controller for a 10th of the Euro cost.

http://www.jammaboards.com/store/arcade-joystick-and-button-switches/cat_35.html?ccSID285e73f64c04744fc5f33ff68f529742=6fb7e40204c224188436c4dcfd06b9f3

The closest you'll come to a cheap stick, from anybody, are Saulabi sticks which retail for about €35 (Korean); and they're not "true" arcade parts.

To understand why custom arcade sticks are so expensive, consider:
The stick costs <€20 (for a Jap stick - Sanwa Denshi or Seimitsu).
The buttons, add another €25.
The PCB, that's another good €30-50.
A custom wooden case, that takes a lot of sanding, painting, polishing.

At the end of the day, you're looking at a good €75-100 for electronics alone (and I can't even remember if this is w/shipping), then the case, which is usually handmade from wood, and putting it all together (which takes anywhere from 7 to XX days, depending on the builder's free time/skill).

In fact, at the end of the day, most of us builders sell these at a loss (if you were to factor in labour costs).