Yori Boy campas vs Hector Camacho

joepenguin

No this isnt a "who would have won thread" !!!! :eek:

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=574806

Camacho: 79-5-2 aged 46 (will be just shy of 47 by fight night)

Campas: 92-14 aged 37

Atlantic City, New Jersey 9th of May

I bet Campas didnt expect youth to be his side at this stage of his career!!!!!

walshb

You reckon it will go PPV?:D

T-K-O

I saw this article this morning but didnt think it worthy of a thread. Anyway this is a disgrace both of those guys should be ashamed and who ever looses should never again be seen in public.

sligobhoy67

T-K-O wrote: »

I saw this article this morning but didnt think it worthy of a thread. Anyway this is a disgrace both of those guys should be ashamed and who ever looses should never again be seen in public.

shut it you! Camacho is a current World Champion!

sligobhoy67

joepenguin wrote: »

No this isnt a "who would have won thread" !!!! :eek:

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=574806

Camacho: 79-5-2 aged 46 (will be just shy of 47 by fight night)

Campas: 92-14 aged 37

Atlantic City, New Jersey 9th of May

I bet Campas didnt expect youth to be his side at this stage of his career!!!!!

Wasnt Rocchigiani or Michalczewski schedule to fight (possibly each other) last year but it never materialised.

sligobhoy67

What about Henry Maske and Virgil Hill!

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

You reckon it will go PPV?:D

I have to admit if you gave me €25 and told me pick between this and Dawson-Tarver 2 which is on the same night Id be sitting down with my popcorn and mini mexican and porto rican flags!!! (out of principle more than anything, Glen Johnson deserves a rematch waaaaayy more)

Just seen clips of Camacho in his day (20+ years ago at 130-135) he was a class act alright.

Big Ears

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

What about Henry Maske and Virgil Hill!

That was amazing, a 43 year old hill who had managed to defy time and gain a version of a World title was beaten by a 43 year old Maske who had not fought in 10 years and his last fight was........a loss to Hill.

The Dawson v Tarver fight has to take place due to a rematch clause, I reckon Tarver's team only went through with it because they want one last payday.

This is going to sound odd but the fight of the night is being held in Kazakhstan.
Beibut Shumenov a Kazakh prospect who is being moved along quite quickly is taking on Colombian banger Alejandro Berrio. Should be an exciting fight.

Jorge Linares also defends his version of a World title against poor opposition.
For someone so apparently talented he's not tested very much, the reason why imo is he just aint that good and they're trying to protect him. He'll win that fight very easily though.

On the 'Macho' Camacho v Yori Boy fight, sad stuff both should be retired by now. Campas will have too much though and Camacho will probably get stopped for the first time in his career.

sligobhoy67

Big Ears wrote: »

That was amazing, a 43 year old hill who had managed to defy time and gain a version of a World title was beaten by a 43 year old Maske who had not fought in 10 years and his last fight was........a loss to Hill.

The Dawson v Tarver fight has to take place due to a rematch clause, I reckon Tarver's team only went through with it because they want one last payday.

This is going to sound odd but the fight of the night is being held in Kazakhstan.
Beibut Shumenov a Kazakh prospect who is being moved along quite quickly is taking on Colombian banger Alejandro Berrio. Should be an exciting fight.

Jorge Linares also defends his version of a World title against poor opposition.
For someone so apparently talented he's not tested very much, the reason why imo is he just aint that good and they're trying to protect him. He'll win that fight very easily though.

On the 'Macho' Camacho v Yori Boy fight, sad stuff both should be retired by now. Campas will have too much though and Camacho will probably get stopped for the first time in his career.

Shumenov is a class act, I wrote this wiki profile on him back in August http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beibut_Shumenov

Kazakhs are quality fighters and they are imo the Cubans of Europe/Asia. In fact I was talking to one of the Kazakh teams trainers are the Euro ams finals in Liverpool (it was a tough conversation) and he said that a lot of the better Russians were either born in Kazakstan or had Kazakh parents.

dlofnep

Is the coveted WBE world title on the line?

All jokes aside, it's really just about two guys who have devoted their life to boxing and are living with it. Feck it, just let the old timers throw down!

Big Ears

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Shumenov is a class act, I wrote this wiki profile on him back in August http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beibut_Shumenov

Kazakhs are quality fighters and they are imo the Cubans of Europe/Asia. In fact I was talking to one of the Kazakh teams trainers are the Euro ams finals in Liverpool (it was a tough conversation) and he said that a lot of the better Russians were either born in Kazakstan or had Kazakh parents.

Ya quite a lot of decent Russian fighters are ethnically Kazakh.
Both Wladamir Klitschko and Oleg Maskaev were born there, although Klitschko obviously isn't ethnically Kazakh, Maskaev as far as I'm aware is ethnically Russian.

Shumenov is still a bit raw and has quite a few things to sharpen up on, but he's aggressive, exciting and being very well matched and if he can develop right he'll be a pretty decent fighter. I don't expect him to be something special though.

Gennady Golovkin is Kazahkstan's best prospect, a really good amateur winning Gold at the World Championships and Silver at the Olympics, and holds a win over Andy Lee. He's been impressive in his pro career so far and has been matched fairly tough, although I'm unsure whether he's cautious style will be a success at the top level. Not that big a Middleweight, but he can punch a bit and has a very good defense. He's fighting in 8 days and I reckon he'll be moved up to World Level quite soon.

The other prospect they have at the moment is apparently Vitaliy Demyaneko, heard he's pretty decent but seen nothing of him so can't judge. The record looks good though.

There's a lot more pro Kazahk fighters than ever before though and I reckon we'll be seeing them make more of an impact at World Level as time goes on.

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

You reckon it will go PPV?:D

Yep!!! http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/6748/pay-per-macho-camacho-yory-boy-ppv/

sligobhoy67

joepenguin wrote: »

Yep!!! http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/6748/pay-per-macho-camacho-yory-boy-ppv/

I'm not surprised - Camacho is to Fricans what Maradona is to the gauchos!

joepenguin

Went on-line to catch a stream of Tarver-Dawson, completly forgot about Campas-Camacho until I seen a link to it. Decided to watch that instead.


Campas performance was very consistant throughout the fight. He has seemed to slow a bit now and its showing. He did manage to get off some shots though and had some good moments in the early rounds catching Macho with both hands.

Macho on the other hand fought in spurts and whenever he threw anything the crowd cheered. He had success in particular with the left hand and landed some clean straight ones on campas. Camacho had a strong first round but didnt seem to do enough in the next 2.
From the 4th on he fought on and off claiming a few rounds in the process.
Both men did their share of holding and different ways of time wasting.

In the end it was a draw. One judge gave it to campas 77-75, mahco 78-74 and one had it a draw at 76-76. Both men were pleased with the result and it seemed fair to me.

Machos team are looking for a title shot although they didnt ellaborate any further. They will also take 2 more fights and call it a career. (Oh and he also called for a rematch, kind of jokingly but Id say if there was half a chance he would take it)

Campas team have said they want Trinidad next and will continue to go one. Someone mentioned 15 more fights??

Needless to say both men are waayyyy past their primes and have slowed considerably. Campas is fading as most will be aware and Macho is what you would expect at 47. He doesnt even show flashes of former greatness due to age, flashes of former class? A bit. This fight would actually be a good way for 2 legends of the ring to go out.

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=11003
http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=576839

Big Ears

What I wrote last night::
'The fight was scored a draw but I had it 77-75 Campas at worst.
The 3 Camacho rounds were close, the 5 Campas rounds were wide.

When you also consider the fact I'd have deducted a couple of points from Camacho for the insane amount of holding he was doing in the early rounds(maybe even disqualify him), then it really was a gift.

Both fighters took the draw well however, even though Yori felt he won.
Camacho is apparently after two more fights before he finally hangs up the gloves for good, he'd like a Campas rematch.

Campas and his team want to continue in the sport and feel they've a fight lined up with Trinidad(not too sure how much truth is in that).'


You've seen the fight differently to me and fair enough but one thing I can't accept is 'Both men did their share of holding and different ways of time wasting.'. I don't think Campas willingly held once, it was all Camacho's doing and a lot of the time he was trying to make it look like Campas. He even got the referee to warn Campas a few times for stuff he was doing, and he really was using all the tricks he's acquired in his long career to con the ref.

Thinking back about the fight I think the ref should have taken a point away from Camacho as early as the 2nd, if he persisted the way he did then another in the 3rd and finally throw him out in the 4th/5th.

What he did would have been fine for an exhibition but this was technically a proper fight and as such his main tactic of defense, clinching anytime Campas got in reach was simply cheating and against the rules. Luckily for him the referee was awful.

When I watch back the old Camacho I really like him as a fighter, but if he is going to fight his 'comeback' the way he did then I hope he's beaten back into retirement in his next fight, because what he was doing was worse than anything John Ruiz ever tried.

joepenguin

You're probably right on that one actually. Even though Camacho did initiate most of the holding Campas dealt with it well and often looked the stronger man.

Dont know about Campas, he's a warrior and Im a big fan but I think its fast approaching time he hung them up. In his heart of hearts he didnt look happy with the draw but looked like he didnt want to kick up a fuss. I was there when he lost to Macklin and he was not a happy boy... not at all.

Did you get to watch Tarver-Dawson as well big?

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

You're probably right on that one actually. Even though Camacho did initiate most of the holding Campas dealt with it well and often looked the stronger man.

Dont know about Campas, he's a warrior and Im a big fan but I think its fast approaching time he hung them up. In his heart of hearts he didnt look happy with the draw but looked like he didnt want to kick up a fuss. I was there when he lost to Macklin and he was not a happy boy... not at all.

Did you get to watch Tarver-Dawson as well big?

Ya Campas badly needs to hang them up, he's looking so slow now even just compared to a year ago. His handspeed is gone to the pits but his reflexes are even worse, and without the speed he's never going to land the punch he's been famous for over the years. He's nothing more than a punching bag now.

Didn't get to watch Tarver v Dawson, not sure I even want to. I might watch the fight something when I'm really bored or if Dawson gets a fight that intrigues me and I want to see more footage of him I haven't seen before but other than that I'm not sure there's a point.