5 points for out of date NCT, 2 points for speeding, do you support the new rule?

Capital Slow

Put it very simply,

compare with only 2 points given for speeding,

do you support the new 5 points for out of date NCT.

no need to debate and put on whatever have been said in the other thread, just a simple vote

Edit, guys, can we focus on the magnitude of the points in relation to other penalty points offenses, such as
3 points = Driving a vehicle when unfit
2 points = Driving a vehicle on a motorway against the flow of traffic
1 point = Driving on the hard shoulder on a motorway
1 point = Failure to drive on the left hand side of the road
1 point = Driving on a median strip, e.g. boundary between two carriageways

Sorry, should have made the points clearer

peasant

Do we really need this poll?

junior_apollo

I think its about time they clamped down on the bangers on the roads.. get rid of them ASAP IMO... too many accidents caused by dodgy cars and people who sell them for next to nothing when they are death traps... Theres a lot of cars on the roads which are on crash registers and still going around... I for one welcome our new NCT overlords...

Saab Ed

junior_apollo wrote: »

I think its about time they clamped down on the bangers on the roads.. get rid of them ASAP IMO... too many accidents caused by dodgy cars and people who sell them for next to nothing when they are death traps... Theres a lot of cars on the roads which are on crash registers and still going around... I for one welcome our new NCT overlords...

Would you support a scrappge scheme to do so ?

mickoneill30

I think it's wrong. It should be 5 for speeding and 2 for NCT.

Cuddlesworth

junior_apollo wrote: »

I think its about time they clamped down on the bangers on the roads.. get rid of them ASAP IMO... too many accidents caused by dodgy cars and people who sell them for next to nothing when they are death traps... Theres a lot of cars on the roads which are on crash registers and still going around... I for one welcome our new NCT overlords...

You got figures to back this up? I'm pretty sure most accidents are caused by user error from bad driving.

Guy:Incognito

Saab Ed wrote: »

Would you support a scrappge scheme to do so ?

As in the other thread, these things are nothing to do with scrappage schemes. People that drive around in rotten old bangers dont buy new cars. A couple of grand for scrappage isnt going to project them to all of a sudden affording a new car, they just replace the car wiht a better old car when the time comes.

mickoneill30 wrote: »

I think it's wrong. It should be 5 for speeding and 2 for NCT.

Why not campaign to have the points for speeding raised to 5 then?

They are seperate issues.

Johnboy Mac

mickoneill30 wrote: »

I think it's wrong. It should be 5 for speeding and 2 for NCT.

5 points for speeding, mad I say! Mad!

It would mean half the drivers would be of the road for speeding offences regardless. Remember before you offer yourself and everybody else up for 5 points for a speeding offence - Speeding per sa does not kill, bad driving kills!

Saab Ed

Stekelly wrote: »

As in the other thread, these things are nothing to do with scrappage schemes. People that drive around in rotten old bangers dont buy new cars. A couple of grand for scrappage isnt going to project them to all of a sudden affording a new car, they just replace the car wiht a better old car when the time comes.

Like as in France and Germany where new car sale despite a reccesion are actualy up.

stealthyspeeder

Speeding in a car which works as its supposed to....... not that dangerous if your a competant driver who knows your limits and the road.

Driving along in a car which doesnt warn other road users of your presense (lights), might not work when you need to perform evasive action (even under the speed limit!)..... this is much more dangerous and deserves more points!

I think not having an NCT in any circumstance is cheap, dangerous, and irresponsible and I think speed in the right conditions, is mighty good craic!

Saab Ed

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Why not campaign to have the points for speeding raised to 5 then?

They are seperate issues.[/quote]


Why not make it 10?

Guy:Incognito

Saab Ed wrote: »

Like as in France and Germany where new car sale despite a reccesion are actualy up.

Thats a very vague connection your making.

I very much doubt that the people buying those new cars were previously driving 15 year old rust buckets.

There is a percentage of people who could buy new cars if they wish. The rest cant and buy 2nd hand. These people cant suddenly afford new cars, and even less so in the current climate.

Guy:Incognito

Saab Ed wrote: »

Why not make it 10?

15?:)

Saab Ed

Stekelly wrote: »

Thats a very vague connection your making.

I very much doubt that the people buying those new cars were previously driving 15 year old rust buckets.

There is a percentage of people who could buy new cars if they wish. The rest cant and buy 2nd hand. These people cant suddenly afford new cars, and even less so in the current climate.

I suppose it is true to say French and Germans dont change their car so willy nilly as we did for the last 10 years. A car 12 years old in Germany is valued more on its condition than its age but it is older cars that they are trading in to buy new ones. Looks like the UK might follow too http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19705

mickoneill30

Johnboy Mac wrote: »

5 points for speeding, mad I say! Mad!

It would mean half the drivers would be of the road for speeding offences regardless.

Absolute crap. It means more drivers would go at the speed limit. It's not a hard thing to do. And if it is too hard for you should you really be driving a car or truck.

I agree that bad driving kills more than speeding but if you don't have the brains to keep to the speed limit then why should you have the right to keep on driving.

There's another issue where the speed limits on a lot of roads are set way too low but that is another issue and we can't just make up the limits because "I'm well able to drive faster than that safely".

If it was 5 points for speeding then you could be caught twice before losing your license. If you're caught 3 times for the same offence then hard luck.

Johnboy Mac

As already stated there is no direct link between Speeding and a expired NCT other than the are motoring offences and their penalties are partly enforced with a points system.

The NCT is of benefit to all, full stop. A car without a current test certificate is a possible danger to all. Speeding is not.

Guy:Incognito

Saab Ed wrote: »

I suppose it is true to say French and Germans dont change their car so willy nilly as we did for the last 10 years. A car 12 years old in Germany is valued more on its condition than its age but it is older cars that they are trading in to buy new ones. Looks like the UK might follow too http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19705

Theres a big difference between people who look after and maintain cars to an older age and people buyign and driving a **** heap till it conks out. The 2nd lot are the ones that will be gotten off the road, and rightly so. But these people still wont buy new cars.

Saab Ed

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Absolute crap. It means more drivers would go at the speed limit. It's not a hard thing to do. And if it is too hard for you should you really be driving a car or truck.

I agree that bad driving kills more than speeding but if you don't have the brains to keep to the speed limit then why should you have the right to keep on driving.

There's another issue where the speed limits on a lot of roads are set way too low but that is another issue and we can't just make up the limits because "I'm well able to drive faster than that safely".

He without sin and all that...

My mates mother has 4 points on her licence both times fifty something in a fifty zone. Put that up yo 5 and shes within 2 points of a ban. Nah sorry that total bulls**t. The women is a saint so I dont fancy living in a country that makes a criminal out of her. If cops did more to fend off real crims I might back it up but sitting in a van or a squad car for hours on the side of the road with ANPR cameras is where we are heading. You choose!

mickoneill30

Saab Ed wrote: »

My mates mother has 4 points on her licence both times fifty something in a fifty zone. Put that up yo 5 and shes within 2 points of a ban. Nah sorry that total bulls**t. The women is a saint so I dont fancy living in a country that makes a criminal out of her. If cops did more to fend off real crims I might back it up but sitting in a van or a squad car for hours on the side of the road with ANPR cameras is where we are heading. You choose!

OK then you win. Your mother speeds and gets points so we should keep it at 2 so she can get caught a few more times and pay a few more fines. She'd need to get caught 4 or 5 times before she has to worry about it, at the moment it's only affecting her wallet.

I'm not without sin either. I speed occasionally. It's not something I worry about because, like everybody else I don't worry about 2 points. I'd worry about 5.

Johnboy Mac

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Absolute crap. It means more drivers would go at the speed limit. It's not a hard thing to do. And if it is too hard for you should you really be driving a car or truck.

I agree that bad driving kills more than speeding but if you don't have the brains to keep to the speed limit then why should you have the right to keep on driving.

There's another issue where the speed limits on a lot of roads are set way too low but that is another issue and we can't just make up the limits because "I'm well able to drive faster than that safely".

If it was 5 points for speeding then you could be caught twice before losing your license. If you're caught 3 times for the same offence then hard luck.

All I can say to this is it's a sad reply to my objection to 5 points for speeding regardless.

astrofool

People get annoyed at speeding fines because:

a) the garda don't usually catch anyone going way over the limit because they concentrate on the fish in the barrel stretches of road (60 zones on a DC or MW)
b) Our speed limits are all over the place, and have absolutely nothing to do with safety on 90% of our roads

stealthyspeeder

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Absolute crap. It means more drivers would go at the speed limit. It's not a hard thing to do. And if it is too hard for you should you really be driving a car or truck.

I agree that bad driving kills more than speeding but if you don't have the brains to keep to the speed limit then why should you have the right to keep on driving.

There's another issue where the speed limits on a lot of roads are set way too low but that is another issue and we can't just make up the limits because "I'm well able to drive faster than that safely".

If it was 5 points for speeding then you could be caught twice before losing your license. If you're caught 3 times for the same offence then hard luck.

Speed limits are laws, 1 size fits all, but I think we can all see that they are not always apprporiate.

Hypothetical situation, I'll let you judge which is more dangerous?

a) 17 year old just got his license, on a very wet, dark, foggy evening driving on a windy B road he doesnt know driving just under the limit, with a car that hasn't passed its NCT

b) 40 year old advanced driving test passed driver, driving at 150 km/hr in his NCT passed ferrarri on a sunny day on a clear motor way which he uses regularly.

Bad driving/driver error is a much greater cause of accidents and if the car doesnt do as the driver tells it (because it is not working properly) then the more chance of an accident. (NCT reduces this).

2 points is well enough for speeding and there should be no points for an expired nct. I cant believe they are actually going to bring in 5 points for no nct, when I heard it yesterday morning I thought it was a joke. Although it wont be enforced anyway so it dosnt really matter.

/clings tightly to UK license!!:D

astrofool

What I would like to see is much more prominent speed limit signs, they should be every km on a motorway/DC (ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, NOT HIDING BEHIND A TRUCK OR TREE OR BRIDGE), and I don't see why they can't be at every traffic light as well.

When people get reminded of the limit A LOT, they slow down, the signs that tell you your current speed are great, people are always slowing down beside them.

Saab Ed

mickoneill30 wrote: »

OK then you win. Your mother speeds and gets points so we should keep it at 2 so she can get caught a few more times and pay a few more fines. She'd need to get caught 4 or 5 times before she has to worry about it, at the moment it's only affecting her wallet.

I'm not without sin either. I speed occasionally. It's not something I worry about because, like everybody else I don't worry about 2 points. I'd worry about 5.

And we'd worry more if it was 10 or maybe a ban at the first offence. Its got to be just and the relavance of 5 points for the NCT versus 2 for the speeding is just all wrong. We agree in principal that neither offence are correct but ( well of course we do we're by and large law abiding citizens ) but the leadership and policing in this country with regards to our roads leaves a lot to be desired , dont be too quick to allow them just fling out random penalties like this.