What other countries have same DTT MPEG4 standard as us??

swoofer

I want to have one last stab at trying to get my LX5090 to work and was wondering what other country has the same DTT standard ie MPEG4 as us? I selected France and Netherlands but just in case can anyone confirm a country that is defecnitly same as us?

I am pretty sure now that UK LX5090 will not accept MPEG4 but need conclusive proof before I take it further.

gbcullen

watty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television

About 16 same as us (MPEG4 only) and some others using MPG4 & MPEG2.

That set is no good for MPEG4 without an external set-box.

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/62/63/413/PDP-LX5090/specs.html

DVB-T Compliant Yes
# Modulation COFDM (2k / 8k)
# Video decoding MPEG2 MP@ML
# Audio Decoding MPEG1 Layer 1&2, AC-3

mrdtv

The strict answer is NONE as the other MPEG4 countries do not use MHEG5. The only EU country using MHEG5 is the UK which uses MPEG2. Ireland out on a limb again, but who cares as the investment community have pulled the plug on Ireland alas....

STB

mrdtv wrote: »

The strict answer is NONE as the other MPEG4 countries do not use MHEG5. The only EU country using MHEG5 is the UK which uses MPEG2. Ireland out on a limb again, but who cares as the investment community have pulled the plug on Ireland alas....

First off GBCullen a suggestion to the problem of you buying the wrong tv is in the other thread that you posted in.

NZ has the very same spec as us.

There are many EU countries in the EU, one of which has the largest popluation in 61million uses MPEG4 ie France.

MHEG5 is for delivery for fancy colurful teletext within frames. Normal teletext is still broadcast anyhow. It does not preclude you from watching DTT anyhow.

The investment community has pulled the plug ?

Even if that were true, does it make any odds

simonckenyon

STB wrote: »

MHEG5 is for delivery for fancy colurful teletext within frames.

It does a lot more than that, providing "red button" services.

Sponge Bob

The cost of adding a software 'blob' to provide MHEG5 to a box with MPEG4 is trivial ....unlike the cost of adding a VHF tuner to a UHF tuner in order to make a UK TV work in Ireland .

STB

simonckenyon wrote: »

It does a lot more than that, providing "red button" services.

Oh I know what it does and doesnt do and what it is likely to be deployed for.

More importantly, do you ?

VHF will be gone as far as TV is concerned in the next 3 years.

The Cush

GBCULLEN wrote: »

I want to have one last stab at trying to get my LX5090 to work and was wondering what other country has the same DTT standard ie MPEG4 as us? I selected France and Netherlands but just in case can anyone confirm a country that is defecnitly same as us?

This is a list I posted previously

DVB-T/MPEG4 Countries

Albania
Denmark (1 MPEG2 mux now - MPEG4 by 2012, all 5 muxes to be MPEG4)
Croatia
Estonia (first country in the world to launch DTT using the MPEG-4 AVC only, Dec 2006)
France (MPEG2&4)
Greece
Hungary
Ireland
Latvia
Lithuania
Montenegro
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Slovenia
Slovakia
Sweden (migrating to MPEG4)
Ukraine


Columbia
Israel
Iran
Malaysia
New Zealand
South Africa
Singapore (hdtv)

STB wrote: »

MHEG5 is for delivery for fancy colurful teletext within frames. Normal teletext is still broadcast anyhow. It does not preclude you from watching DTT anyhow.

The standard chosen for Irish DTT allows the old analogue teletext standard (EBU Teletext) to be broadcast unlike in the UK where teletext is MHEG-5 only. So until the broadcasters decide to switch off analogue teletext MHEG-5 receivers won't be 100% necessary.

watty

simonckenyon wrote: »

It does a lot more than that, providing "red button" services.

Which are a pain. Let's just have real TV channels. There is NO return channel and no dedicated downlink. So it's just a menu into a carousel.

Many / most "interactive" services are rubbish compared to Internet. Just as Internet is poor compared to Cable/Terrestrial/Satellite for Broadcast TV.

About the only useful extra above a version of Teletext with pictures is a more featured EPG. But even with standard DVB epg you can do a lot.

If there is Teletext and full DVB epg, then you won't miss MHEG5.

BTW in 1970s teletext was demonstrated with photos. Very slow update due to bandwidth of the carousel. I always wondered why that was not resurrected on Digital, as Teletext on Digital is not limited to the data rate of Analogue TV. The "open TV" method used on Sky for Text + pictures is a pig to program. It's a C API.

STB

The Cush wrote: »

The standard chosen for Irish DTT allows the old analogue teletext standard (EBU Teletext) to be broadcast unlike in the UK where teletext is MHEG-5 only. So until the broadcasters decide to switch off analogue teletext MHEG-5 receivers won't be 100% necessary.

I agree.

MHEG5 does allow for pic advertising as evidenced by Kia ads on MHEG5 text being broadcast at present.

More importantly the EPG will broadcast via EIT - DVB SI. Contrary to popular belief here, RTE do not plan on using MHEG5 to design a standalone epg.

Strangely FTA sat channels continue to broadcast a limited non MHEG5 teletext service on sat.

givecredit

watty wrote: »

Which are a pain. Let's just have real TV channels.
Many / most "interactive" services are rubbish compared to Internet.

There are a few exceptions:

The Red button service on SkyNews on Sky Digital and the Red button service on the BBC channels on Freesat.

The speed of the Red Button service on Freesat Boxes makes its a pleasure to use..

The red button service on ITV channels is a good example of the rubbish watty is referring to.

watty

STB wrote: »

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More importantly the EPG will broadcast via EIT - DVB SI. Contrary to popular belief here, RTE do not plan on using MHEG5 to design a standalone epg.

Strangely FTA sat channels continue to broadcast a limited non MHEG5 teletext service on sat.

CNN had at one stage excellent teletext on Sat. Gone now. The Irish channels teletext worked on FTA sat receiver last time I looked. Full service/

If RTE stick to this " EIT - DVB SI" plan it will be great as all manner of generic MPEG4 setbox -pvr may then work for recording and makes PC based DTT less of a pain.

We don't need the MHEG5 adverts