Guaranteed Irish, does it matter ?

RATM

Most of us here remember the Guaranteed Irish campaigns in the 1980's. Every school copy book had the logo on them as well as a huge range of other products.
http://www.guaranteedirish.ie/

But recently Ive noticed some companies trying to use their Irishness as an advantage, ie Dunnes Stores "The difference is we're Irish", Apache Pizza "All profits stay in Ireland"

Does anyone care for this sort of marketing, does it make a difference in your buying decisions whether the product is Irish or not ? As everyone flees for Newry at the weekends I'm guessing not.

Personally I feel the Celtic Tiger made us look out for ourselves more than ever and now during the recession that is coming home to roost for Irish companies who are trying to counter it by using a bit of cheap nationalism. .

javaboy

RATM wrote: »

Does anyone care for this sort of marketing, does it make a difference in your buying decisions whether the product is Irish or not ? As everyone flees for Newry at the weekends I'm guessing not.

It definitely influences my buying decisions. I can't stand people spending their money in another economy while giving out about the state of ours.

My name is URL

When we decided to give into globalization, we pissed away the right to have any pride in buying Irish

RATM

javaboy wrote: »

It definitely influences my buying decisions. I can't stand people spending their money in another economy while giving out about the state of ours.

Certainly a good point. But I'm guessing those shopping up north will argue its more about affordability and the household budget than patriotism.

Mena

I'd tend to stick to Irish products for the most part, just not meat, you guys really have a lot to learn in that department

AckwelFoley

Certainly, like for like even if the Irish product is 10% more expensive i will always choose Irish over other products. However -there is a limit, if there is a massive saving for a comparible product common sence and more importantly unfortunatly now - budget will prevail

Ponster

Mena wrote: »

I'd tend to stick to Irish products for the most part, just not meat, you guys really have a lot to learn in that department

I'd have to disagree with such a sweeping statement. I'm just back from the supermarket and all the beef was Irish and many restaurants serve both French and Irish beef.

javaboy

Ponster wrote: »

I'd have to disagree with such a sweeping statement. I'm just back from the supermarket and all the beef was Irish and many restaurants serve both French and Irish beef.

I think Mena was talking about our meat processing practices being ****.

Hobbes

Mena wrote: »

I'd tend to stick to Irish products for the most part,

Define Irish though as a product. If the product is made in Ireland or owned by an Irish company but those goods used to make/maintain are from elsewhere is it really guaranteed Irish?

90% of the worlds toys are made in China. Every electrical device has parts in it which can be traced back to Asia.

ejmaztec

Hobbes wrote: »

Define Irish though as a product. If the product is made in Ireland or owned by an Irish company but those goods used to make/maintain are from elsewhere is it really guaranteed Irish?

90% of the worlds toys are made in China. Every electrical device has parts in it which can be traced back to Asia.

The one that always sticks in my mind is the "Guaranteed Irish" that was on fresh orange juice years ago.

javaboy

RATM wrote: »

Certainly a good point. But I'm guessing those shopping up north will argue its more about affordability and the household budget than patriotism.

It's not about patriotism. Patriotism is irrational. This is about doing what's best for our economy in the long term. All that money going to Newry translates into job losses down here, which means more people on the live register, which in turn means higher taxes. It affects us all in a practical sense. Nothing to do with patriotism at all.

Mr.Lizard

javaboy wrote: »

It definitely influences my buying decisions. I can't stand people spending their money in another economy while giving out about the state of ours.

Actually I have a question about this. I buy most of my stuff online these days and not being very knowledgeable about VAT and the rest, when I buy an item online (eg a Digital Camera from a French company) does the Irish government get any cut of that transcation? I'm not particularily bothered if they do or they don't but I'd just like to know the simple breakdown of the money (esp the VAT I pay on the item).

conchubhar1

its not patriotism

its about making ireland better

masonman

It would cross my mind, but wouldn't really be the deciding factor in what I'd buy, price and quality are whats important.

Theres plenty of Irish Businesses that in good times and bad have shafted their kind for years without a second thought.

IMHO, the Dunnes Stores "The difference is we're Irish" marketing approach is a questionable attempt at retaining Business. Its a little manipulative

I think a lot of consumers would be swayed by it without question, which is probably the aim

Purple Gorilla

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Actually I have a question about this. I buy most of my stuff online these days and not being very knowledgeable about VAT and the rest, when I buy an item online (eg a Digital Camera from a French company) does the Irish government get any cut of that transcation? I'm not particularily bothered if they do or they don't but I'd just like to know the simple breakdown of the money (esp the VAT I pay on the item).

I'm not 100% on this, but with me, when I buy clothes online from another country, you have to pay VAT and Import duty before you receive it..so the government gets tax revenue from it. But that's still a retailer in Ireland that has lost out on a sale

TheZohanS

Buying Irish and from Irish companies is the most important thing we can all do to help our country get out of this mess we're in.

Taxes and vat charged on goods manufactured (through raw materials, labour etc. etc) in the ROI and purchased in the ROI goes to the Exchequer this revenue is what we use to pay for the running of the country.

Without this revenue our taxes go up, social welfare payments will go down, schools won't get built, roads/infastructure won't get improved and A&E wards will close all around the country.

stevedublin

Mena wrote: »

I'd tend to stick to Irish products for the most part, just not meat, you guys really have a lot to learn in that department

is that meant to be sexual innuendo?

994

I'm not quite certain about this, but wasn't it Adam Smith's idea that if a state has a choice of

- making a product for €50 and consuming it; or
- importing a product for €40 and consuming it

isn't the latter actually more advantageous? It's not as if by having more exports than imports a country "wins" at economics.

javaboy

994 wrote: »

I'm not quite certain about this, but wasn't it Adam Smith's idea that if a state has a choice of

- making a product for €50 and consuming it; or
- importing a product for €40 and consuming it

isn't the latter actually more advantageous? It's not as if by having more exports than imports a country "wins" at economics.

Carry that idea through to the extreme. Let's say we import all our goods and services. How do we earn the money to import the products if it's all being spent abroad?

banquo

We tax from all things purchased here, it's just the profits that may or may not go to an Irish company.

Global market ftw. Another country makes a better product for less money, then I'll buy theirs. Competition is the key imo.

OPENROAD

TheZohan wrote: »

Buying Irish and from Irish companies is the most important thing we can all do to help our country get out of this mess we're in.

Taxes and vat charged on goods manufactured (through raw materials, labour etc. etc) in the ROI and purchased in the ROI goes to the Exchequer this revenue is what we use to pay for the running of the country.

Without this revenue our taxes go up, social welfare payments will go down, schools won't get built, roads/infastructure won't get improved and A&E wards will close all around the country.

So if Irish goods are more expensive we should pay the more expensive price, come on!!


If Irish goods in Irish stores are more competitive, people will buy.

What is going to get us out of this mess is reducing the high costs in which this country operates and the govt having the bottle to get its ependiture under control.

Peiking Duck

I will go with the cheaper option. This notion about buying Irish only because it will help the economy is crazy. Lower the prices and I am sure many more will buy Irish.

dublinario

Peiking Duck wrote: »

I will go with the cheaper option. This notion about buying Irish only because it will help the economy is crazy. Lower the prices and I am sure many more will buy Irish.

I exclusively buy produce made on planet earth. Those Neptunians, with their abundance of natural resources can feck off. Coming over here, abducting our women, killing our cows, circling our crops. Bunch of w*nkers. We Earthians need to stick together at times like these.

Abi

Doesnt matter no. Disease-free and no added glass shards will do.

TheZohanS

banquo wrote: »

We tax from all things purchased here, it's just the profits that may or may not go to an Irish company.

Global market ftw. Another country makes a better product for less money, then I'll buy theirs. Competition is the key imo.

Correct, but if a product is made here using raw materials/labour that are sourced here the Exchequer gets a larger chunk out of the tax, which means we have to pay less taxes.

OPENROAD

TheZohan wrote: »

Correct, but if a product is made here using raw materials/labour that are sourced here the Exchequer gets a larger chunk out of the tax, which means we have to pay less taxes.

So why are the govt not helping Irish business then?

TheZohanS

OPENROAD wrote: »

So why are the govt not helping Irish business then?

Because the govt is sh1t.

OPENROAD

TheZohan wrote: »

Because the govt is sh1t.

So why should people buy Irish when funds are tight and with so much uncertainty of what will happen next December. Do you live in Ireland? The country has become too expensive, people at last here have started to become more prudent when it comes to shopping.

Manic Moran

I will only buy domestic if everything else is more or less equal... Price, quality, that sort of thing. I see no reason to reward inferior manufacturers for their lousy products simply because I happen to be in the same country: They'll just continue to make their lousy products.

NTM

TheZohanS

OPENROAD wrote: »

So why should people buy Irish when funds are tight and with so much uncertainty of what will happen next December.

Because if we don't buy our goods in Ireland and don't try to buy off Irish companies where possible there will be no uncertainty about what will happen next December.

javaboy

Manic Moran wrote: »

I will only buy domestic if everything else is more or less equal... Price, quality, that sort of thing. I see no reason to reward inferior manufacturers for their lousy products simply because I happen to be in the same country: They'll just continue to make their lousy products.

NTM

It's not simply because you happen to be in the same country. It affects everybody in that country. If a company goes bust because they couldn't match the competitor's price by a couple of cent, that means more unemployed people. Which means the government needs to either get more money from taxpayers or needs to cut back on other expenditure.

Obviously if a product is really lousy, you don't buy it but where it's reasonable you should really try and keep your money in your own economy.

OPENROAD

TheZohan wrote: »

Because if we don't buy our goods in Ireland and don't try to buy off Irish companies where possible there will be no uncertainty about what will happen next December.

As I said Irish goods are too expensive compared to other goods, our economic woes are not down to not buying Irish and won't be resolved by buying Irish alone, govt spending is far too high and still is, they need to tackle this more effectively rather than pushing up taxes, do you live in Ireland?

OPENROAD

javaboy wrote: »

It's not simply because you happen to be in the same country. It affects everybody in that country. If a company goes bust because they couldn't match the competitor's price by a couple of cent, that means more unemployed people. Which means the government needs to either get more money from taxpayers or needs to cut back on other expenditure.

Obviously if a product is really lousy, you don't buy it but where it's reasonable you should really try and keep your money in your own economy.

Thing is it is not only a couple of cent difference,if it was people would not be buying off the Net or going to NI.

banquo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U7QJu_Wsbk

javaboy

OPENROAD wrote: »

Thing is it is not only a couple of cent difference,if it was people would not be buying off the Net or going to NI.

I understand that. But what do you think the long term impact of everybody buying their cars in the north and everybody within 2 hours drive of the north doing all their shopping there would be?

OPENROAD

javaboy wrote: »

I understand that. But what do you think the long term impact of everybody buying their cars in the north and everybody within 2 hours drive of the north doing all their shopping there would be?

Indeed but it is up to the govt and business here to prevent this, the govt bottled it in the budget and took the easier option,lets hope they don't bottle things in December, the country is not in the situation it is in cause people are going North to shop, yes it will make things worse but you can't blame people for doing so, we have to make ourselves more competitive and quick and raising taxes will not help us in the medium/long term.

wildsaffy

Suppose I only have €xx to spend on groceries per week. What is going to influence my decision?

Certainly I could go to Dunnes ("the difference is, we're Irish) and get enough goods to last me and family Monday through to Thursday.

Or I could hop it up North (including petrol costs) and get enough goods to last me and family Monday through to Sunday.

I am sure the government won't reward me and starving family on a Saturday for buying "Irish".

Just a thought.

Mind you though, I do like to shop local as much as I can. I like my local butcher - he has up on his board when the meat was killed, the name of the farmer; I know the hens that laid my eggs etc.

CamperMan

there is a well known weekly car sales magazine, it says "GUARANTEED IRISH" then look in the inside cover "PRINTED IN THE UK" WTF is that about?

BaconZombie

Ok, anybody who answered yes:

Name 10 products you can buy in Ireland that have been make from ONLY 100% Irish raw materials, labour, marketing\ADS\PR, etc.

TheZohan wrote: »

Correct, but if a product is made here using raw materials/labour that are sourced here the Exchequer gets a larger chunk out of the tax, which means we have to pay less taxes.

Purple Gorilla

OPENROAD wrote: »

the country is not in the situation it is in cause people are going North to shop,

O RLY?

Mr. Lenihan admitted that we lost €700 million from the exchequer with people shopping up north over the Christmas period and into early 2009.

So let's see what that would have saved us in the Supplementary Budget '09:
Mortgage Interest Relief Abolished - €96 million
Increase in tax on Diesel- €70 million
Tobacco Excise increase- €32 million
Capital Gains Tax increase- €30 million
DIRT Increase- €50 million
Christmas Bonus for those on Social Welfare Abolished- €82 million

Overseas Development Aid Cut- €100 million

Early Childcare Supplement Cut- €105 million
Education & Science cuts- €54 million

That's just a few measures which I picked that wouldn't have had to be taken in the recent Budget if we still had that €700 million. There would still be €111 million left over

Princess Jade

Yes it does.

OPENROAD

Purple Gorilla wrote: »

O RLY?

Mr. Lenihan admitted that we lost €700 million from the exchequer with people shopping up north over the Christmas period and into early 2009.

Ok it has made a bad situation worse, but things are that bad we would still be in the same situation i.e. we still needed an emergency budget, he still has to find 3.5bn-4bn a year, our deficit this year is still likely to be 23bn, yes every cent counts but what has Mr Lenihan done to encouage people not to go North.

Purple Gorilla

OPENROAD wrote: »

Ok it has made a bad situation worse, but things are that bad we would still be in the same situation i.e. we still needed an emergency budget, he still has to find 3.5bn-4bn a year, our deficit this year is still likely to be 23bn, so what has Mr Lenihan done to encouage people not to go North.

Can you provide a source for the above figs.tks

http://www.budget.gov.ie/2009SupApril09/SummaryofSupplementaryBudgetMeasuresPolicyChanges.html

Terry

conchubhar1 wrote: »

its not patriotism

its about making ireland better

Two sentences. Nail on the head.

javaboy wrote: »

I think Mena was talking about our meat processing practices being ****.

100% chicken.
Processed to bits that it contains beak and claw. That's not an exaggeration.

OPENROAD wrote: »

As I said Irish goods are too expensive compared to other goods, our economic woes are not down to not buying Irish and won't be resolved by buying Irish alone, govt spending is far too high and still is, they need to tackle this more effectively rather than pushing up taxes, do you live in Ireland?

Do you live in Ireland?
I seem to remember you moving to the UK and slamming Ireland at every opportunity.

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Ok, anybody who answered yes:

Name 10 products you can buy in Ireland that have been make from ONLY 100% Irish raw materials, labour, marketing\ADS\PR, etc.

Chicken
Eggs
Bread
Beef
Pork
Lamb
Peas
Spuds*
Carrots
Turkey

All available in my local Super Valu and guaranteed Irish. They also provide sources for these.

*Grown locally by a Dutch family. The patriarch was in the Luftwaffe in WW2 and they have been local since the end of the war, so I'd consider them Irish.

The supermarket also does Irish bacon in case you're interested.

OPENROAD

Terry wrote: »

I seem to remember you moving to the UK and slamming Ireland at every opportunity.

you mixing me up with someone else and yes I live in Ireland

BaconZombie

That is bullcrap, you are using the same flawed logic the music/movie labels use.
Just because people bought cheap stuff up nirth does not mean that would of pay ripper off prices don't here, there would of use not bought it al together

Purple Gorilla wrote: »

O RLY?

Mr. Lenihan admitted that we lost €700 million from the exchequer with people shopping up north over the Christmas period and into early 2009.

So let's see what that would have saved us in the Supplementary Budget '09:
Mortgage Interest Relief Abolished - €96 million
Increase in tax on Diesel- €70 million
Tobacco Excise increase- €32 million
Capital Gains Tax increase- €30 million
DIRT Increase- €50 million
Christmas Bonus for those on Social Welfare Abolished- €82 million

Overseas Development Aid Cut- €100 million

Early Childcare Supplement Cut- €105 million
Education & Science cuts- €54 million

That's just a few measures which I picked that wouldn't have had to be taken in the recent Budget if we still had that €700 million. There would still be €111 million left over

Terry

OPENROAD wrote: »

you mixing me up with someone else and yes I live in Ireland

Ok. I apologise for my mistake.
Sorry.

Posted on an Irish owned site.

OPENROAD

Terry wrote: »

Ok. I apologise for my mistake.
Sorry.

Posted on an Irish owned site.

No worries

TheZohanS

BOFH_139 wrote: »

That is bullcrap, you are using the same flawed logic the music/movie labels use.
Just because people bought cheap stuff up nirth does not mean that would of pay ripper off prices don't here, there would of use not bought it al together

It's not bullcrap, your own logic is flawed.

Downloading is entirely different to purchasing cds and dvds, downloading is a different format altogether.

ScumLord

I'll try my best to buy Irish whenever i can.

It's not just a matter of being patriotic (although I don't see what's wrong with supporting your own) Irish businesses work to much higher standards, which is true for most of Europe. The people that work in our factories have a better standard of life and I would support them. If the product breaks down I can get something done about it. unless your buying branded Chinese goods you have no come back and whats worse is people don't expect one. Even with a come back it's a piss poor after thought.

There's some very, very poor manufacturing coming out of China, that's why every things so cheap and that's why nothing last anymore.