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New Band Help

  • 09-04-2009 1:51pm
    #1
    Ikuto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭


    Would appreciate any insight or advice here
    first time any of us are in a band, we decided to do it for the laugh
    were all fairly good musicians but this is first time playing together
    band consists of:
    • Rhythm Guitarist and vocals
    • Lead guitarists
    • Bassist
    • Drummer
    we were told a PA is good way to go so we pitched together me and the guitarist and we have a fairly basic Peavey PA system.
    We tryed hook up all instruments and vocals together and we got screeching noise's(interference i guess)
    we now know you cant have both instruments and mics in

    really what im looking for is what should we have , what should be the setup. This is all new to us, so go easy on big fancy words :D

    we really don't know the general steps here, we don't sound bad but we know we dont have the right setup at all.

    would appreciate the help


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  • #2
    red_ice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭red_ice


    You need a good sounding room for a start.

    for a rehearsal session the most generic setup is everyone playing through their amps and the PA us used for vox/synth.

    Bass can go through the PA, but for a rehearsal its not the best.

    Start off by getting the drummer to play a beat, then let the bass play along... higher/lower bass amp vol to match the drums, then bring in rythem guitar, and make that match the bass/drums, then lead, then vox.

    The only time you need to mic a guitar amp is at a live gig.

    if you insist on micing your amps at rehearsals, make sure your vocal mics arent pointing at the amps/PA speakers. that way your vocal mic is picking up sounds that are being produced and outputted from the PA already. Thats your feedback.

    So again, use your amps, get a good volume level so you can hear everything. If you want to hear yourself more than others in the room, angle your amp to face you, dont higher it up. Then use the PA for vocals and synth.

    You should be set by that stage.


  • #3
    Ikuto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Ikuto


    red_ice wrote: »
    You need a good sounding room for a start.

    for a rehearsal session the most generic setup is everyone playing through their amps and the PA us used for vox/synth.

    Bass can go through the PA, but for a rehearsal its not the best.

    Start off by getting the drummer to play a beat, then let the bass play along... higher/lower bass amp vol to match the drums, then bring in rythem guitar, and make that match the bass/drums, then lead, then vox.

    The only time you need to mic a guitar amp is at a live gig.

    if you insist on micing your amps at rehearsals, make sure your vocal mics arent pointing at the amps/PA speakers. that way your vocal mic is picking up sounds that are being produced and outputted from the PA already. Thats your feedback.

    So again, use your amps, get a good volume level so you can hear everything. If you want to hear yourself more than others in the room, angle your amp to face you, dont higher it up. Then use the PA for vocals and synth.

    You should be set by that stage.
    alright straight off, thank you that actually makes sense now picturing it

    one last thing are amps at the moment are still only crap 15 watt ones, what would you advise we should get in a amp, should it even be cabs or something


  • #4
    bathroom gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭bathroom gurgle


    if i were you i wouldn't have bothered to buy a PA so early but thats just me but whats done is done. as for amps i think it would be easier if you rented out a rehearsal studio somewhere for a few hours. they're not too expensive when the money is split so many ways and it would be easier than buying a load of amps. most bands don't have to bring equipment to gigs unless they are headlining or setting it up themselves so it wouldn't be necessary to have so much equipment so early on. i don't know where you're based but loop studio on O'Connell street is a good start. i think you may be making it difficult for yourself by trying to mic up the amps and all that. if you go into the studio and ask the guys that work there to show you how to use the PA i'm sure they'd help you out and you'd gain experience quicker. hopefully that helps


  • #5
    red_ice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭red_ice


    Ikuto wrote: »
    alright straight off, thank you that actually makes sense now picturing it

    one last thing are amps at the moment are still only crap 15 watt ones, what would you advise we should get in a amp, should it even be cabs or something

    if you get a cab, you need to have something to produce the sound, thats your amp. your 15 watt amps are more than likely combo amps, that means, amp and cab in one. If your in the 'ahh it'l do' stage, go out and get a cheap solid state 150 watt guitar amp. Otherwise, save your pennies and get some real amps, something with a tube. In the long run it will be totally worth it. A good place to start looking is here.
    bathroom gurgle wrote: »
    if i were you i wouldn't have bothered to buy a PA so early but thats just me but whats done is done. as for amps i think it would be easier if you rented out a rehearsal studio somewhere for a few hours. they're not too expensive when the money is split so many ways and it would be easier than buying a load of amps. most bands don't have to bring equipment to gigs unless they are headlining or setting it up themselves so it wouldn't be necessary to have so much equipment so early on. i don't know where you're based but loop studio on O'Connell street is a good start. i think you may be making it difficult for yourself by trying to mic up the amps and all that. if you go into the studio and ask the guys that work there to show you how to use the PA i'm sure they'd help you out and you'd gain experience quicker. hopefully that helps

    I disagree. The pa is a great purchase. If they rent a studio space thats 60 quid a session(at least). The place we used to go to was 70 a session and we rehearsed 3 times a week. Total waste of money. In doing so, they are instantly limited to a couple of sessions a week in a rented spot. Where as if they used that money for amps, they would have an amp in no time at all. We can assume they have their own place to rehearse anyways.

    As far as rehearsal rooms goes, loop is the biggest dive i've ever been in. It smells and its run by a duchebag loser who dosnt care what happens aslong as he gets money. Not to mention the sound in the rooms is terrible and the gear is crap. I regret the day i paid in to use that place.


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