Miracle of the Sun Fatima

Pamela111

From Wikipadia:

The Miracle of the Sun (Portuguese: O Milagre do Sol) is an alleged miraculous event witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near Fátima, Portugal. Those in attendance had assembled to observe what the Portuguese secular newspapers had been ridiculing for months as the absurd claim of three shepherd children that a miracle was going to occur at high-noon in the Cova da Iria on October 13, 1917. [1]

According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky.[2] It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[2] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[2] frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world.[3] Some witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry."[4]

Estimates of the number of witnesses range from 30,000-40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século,[5] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[6] both of whom were present that day.[7]
The miracle was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to three young shepherd children in 1917, as having been predicted by the three children on 13 July,[8] 19 August,[9] and 13 September[10] 1917. The children reported that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them[11] and provide a miracle "so that all may believe."[12]

According to these reports, the miracle of the sun lasted approximately ten minutes.[13] The three children also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.[14]

JimiTime

Is there a point you want to make? I don't want to seem rude, but I think we can all use Wikipedia without it having to be copy and pasted to the forum.

Galvasean

I seem to remember another user starting frequent barrages of similar threads. In fact I'm pretty sure one was on this very same topic complete with copy n' paste.
Deja-vu is a funny thing.

Tellox

Apologies for my skepticism, but no matter how many scientific experts/churches lay claim to its truth, I'll believe a miracle when one occurs during the era of the video camera.

MatthewVII

Pamela111 wrote: »

Some witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry"

If the whole rapture thing doesn't work out, our lady of fatima definitely has a lot of career prospects in the laundry industry.

TwoShedsJackson

Excellent, a copy and paste from wikipedia, which anyone can edit to say whatever they want. Indisputable proof at last.

Overblood

I feel sick.

prinz

I think the fact that one witness can say 30,000 people and another can say 100,000 is evidence that people can sometimes see what they want to see.

Nodin

Tellox wrote: »

Apologies for my skepticism, but no matter how many scientific experts/churches lay claim to its truth, I'll believe a miracle when one occurs during the era of the video camera.

Unfortunately one doesn't have to go to the 'editing suite' to replicate a 'dancing sun'.....

Genghiz Cohen

Nodin wrote: »

Unfortunately one doesn't have to go to the 'editing suite' to replicate a 'dancing sun'.....

Or a blinking statue.

AtomicHorror

So... clouds part and rainfall ends. These are things which tend to coincide. Sun appeared dimmer than usual. Again, not exactly miraculous just after cloud cover disperses. Colours in the sky. On a wet day. Wow. Rainbow or similar. Wet clothes suddenly becoming completely dry, in the midday sun in Portugal during the autumn. How wet were they and how quick is suddenly?

The rest... do the 30-40 thousand people all agree or is this the agreed word of a few dozen? I'll echo a poster above, funny how this stuff never happens in front of a camera. They did have cameras in 1917. Did none of the many thousands possess one? Isn't the whole point of prophesy foreknowledge that should allow such planning?

kiffer

prinz wrote: »

I think the fact that one witness can say 30,000 people and another can say 100,000 is evidence that people can sometimes see what they want to see.

That's the real miracle... Turning each person into ~3 people. :-)

Tellox

AtomicHorror wrote: »

So... clouds part and rainfall ends. These are things which tend to coincide. Sun appeared dimmer than usual. Again, not exactly miraculous just after cloud cover disperses. Colours in the sky. On a wet day. Wow. Rainbow or similar. Wet clothes suddenly becoming completely dry, in the midday sun in Portugal during the autumn. How wet were they and how quick is suddenly?

The rest... do the 30-40 thousand people all agree or is this the agreed word of a few dozen? I'll echo a poster above, funny how this stuff never happens in front of a camera. They did have cameras in 1917. Did none of the many thousands possess one? Isn't the whole point of prophesy foreknowledge that should allow such planning?

What I found odd was that the newspaper cover (as seen on the wiki article) contains photographs of people WATCHING the "miracle". None of the actual miracle itself occuring.

MrPudding

You probably needed a soul to see it, as most cameras don't have them, they would not see it, therefore they settled for people looking at the miracle. Just a theory...

MrP

The Mad Hatter

Galvasean wrote: »

I seem to remember another user starting frequent barrages of similar threads. In fact I'm pretty sure one was on this very same topic complete with copy n' paste.
Deja-vu is a funny thing.

It's just a glitch in the Matrix chemical imbalances in your brain creating the sensation of memory.

God has shown us much evidence of his existence. What about the miracle of the clothin gwhich dries when left in the sun.

TwoShedsJackson

Deleted User wrote: »

God has shown us much evidence of his existence. What about the miracle of the clothin gwhich dries when left in the sun.

This is a level, right?

ScumLord

Up to 100,000 people all get retina damage by looking at the sun for to long.

MooseJam

The sun is really big and can be seen by all - if it did a jig it would be noticed by a few more people - at least on the bright side of the planet

PDN

Galvasean wrote: »

I seem to remember another user starting frequent barrages of similar threads. In fact I'm pretty sure one was on this very same topic complete with copy n' paste.
Deja-vu is a funny thing.

Oh please! The deja-vu joke has been done before.

studiorat

Galvasean wrote: »

I seem to remember another user starting frequent barrages of similar threads. In fact I'm pretty sure one was on this very same topic complete with copy n' paste.
Deja-vu is a funny thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_of_the_Sun#cite_note-DeMarchib_139.E2.80.93150-1

dlofnep

Is there any photographs of the event?

Hoof Hearted

I would like to "resurrect" this thread, because as a practicing Catholic that believes in Jesus and also as an engineer that is always trying to seek out the truth, I feel that if this event in Fatima is not enough proof that God exists, then any video or photo evidence is not going to be enough evidence either (Think photoshop, CGI,...), . I find all the conclusions as to why this miracle was not true, such as uncertainty of the number of people present being 30,000 or 100,000 and concluding that if the number of people present reported was not accurate, and therefore concluding the accuracy of everything else regarding the Miracle is in also in question. Remember atheist newspaper reporters also witnessed and reported on this.

I find the evidence as overwhelming as the existence of Spain, even though I've never been there to really see Spain exists.

So atheists, agnostics, and those on the fence, what is enough evidence, research any of the Eucharistic miracles, are they false too? I think God provides these miracles to the extent that for most of us a leap of faith is needed, even though most of us could go to Italy to see and research the Eucharistic Miracle in Lanciano, a miracle which continues to this day through the centuries.

And why does it seem that every time Man thinks he knows better than God, when decade after decade, every human social policy and every "me first" decision that humans make that goes against God's teaching, backfires every time.

Those "intelligent" types that have disgust for anyone that has a large family, may well be the very ones that when they get old, will reconsider their thinking, when there is no longer enough of the younger demographic around to support both themselves and the economy around them.

I pray for health, peace and good fortune for anyone that has read this post, and may God's blessings be with you all.

As an Irishman in his late 30s that moved to the US 17 years ago, I can only pray that the secularism that I see more and more invading Ireland and the world can be reversed. I suppose you could say that I am now counter-cultural, but I believe for the right reasons.

Brian

Quo Vadis

Hoof Hearted wrote: »

As an Irishman in his late 30s that moved to the US 17 years ago, I can only pray that the secularism that I see more and more invading Ireland and the world can be reversed. I suppose you could say that I am now counter-cultural, but I believe for the right reasons.

Brian

Archbishop Fulton Sheen often talked about what he learned from the great Cardinal Mercier of Louvain about teaching. "I will give you two suggestions," he said, "always keep current: know what the modern world is thinking about, read its poetry, its history, its literature, observe its architecture and its art, hear its music and its theatre, and then plunge deeply into St Thomas and the wisdom of the ancients and you will be able to refute its errors."

Doom

Well Pamela111 did say back in 2009..earthquakes and tsunamis will return to Europe, Spain and Turkey have had recent ones- earthquakes.

Check out her previous post's

dvae

2 Corinthians 11:14

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

hinault

Quo Vadis wrote: »

Archbishop Fulton Sheen often talked about what he learned from the great Cardinal Mercier of Louvain about teaching. "I will give you two suggestions," he said, "always keep current: know what the modern world is thinking about, read its poetry, its history, its literature, observe its architecture and its art, hear its music and its theatre, and then plunge deeply into St Thomas and the wisdom of the ancients and you will be able to refute its errors."

That is very good advice!
Thanks for posting this.

Hoof Hearted

Thanks for the responses. What I find that helps me understand and explain my faith is a quickly growing Catholic radio network in the US, namely Relevant Radio, which actually is the only Catholic radio netowrk approved by the US bishops aka the UCCB. You can listen online at www.relevantradio.com

I think lack of knowledge about the Catholic faith is what causes so much misunderstanding about Catholicism.

AtomicHorror

Doom wrote: »

Well Pamela111 did say back in 2009..earthquakes and tsunamis will return to Europe, Spain and Turkey have had recent ones- earthquakes.

Check out her previous post's

The frequency of Earthquakes worldwide has been decreasing, not increasing, in recent years. It's just variation around the average. The rate over longer periods of time is constant. Something like 15-20 major events per year. The short term rate will probably rise again in the future, and fall and so on. What you will certainly see in the future, is increasing numbers of people hurt and killed in earthquakes, simply because we as a species are spreading across the globe, building higher density cities and generally coming into contact with earthquakes that would once have happened in underpopulated or unpopulated areas.

In summary, there are no prophetic signs to be seen here.

Hoof Hearted wrote: »

As an Irishman in his late 30s that moved to the US 17 years ago, I can only pray that the secularism that I see more and more invading Ireland and the world can be reversed.

Pretty sure you'd be praying for secularism if the majority religion didn't happen to be in line with your faith. By all means continue to pray, those of us who would defend secularism will act instead.

stephendevlin

Hoof Hearted wrote: »

I find the evidence as overwhelming as the existence of Spain, even though I've never been there to really see Spain exists.

??? I can give you evidence of spain. Its not a long flight

Quo Vadis

Hoof Hearted wrote: »

I think lack of knowledge about the Catholic faith is what causes so much misunderstanding about Catholicism.

Bingo. What Catholics believe is rarely the problem; it’s usually either the misunderstanding or deliberate misrepresentation of what Catholics believe is the real problem out there.