Rent Suppliment!!

mandandpeter

I cant believe they are putting rent suppliment down, as richard dower said on another thread, My rent has not gone down either and dont think it will do, and xmas bonus, is this a joke? Life is hard enough as it is with no jobs and food prices high, grrr i feel like i want to smash my tele in!

Richard Dower wrote: »

Rents have nor gone down for me and many i know, cost of living has not been enough to keep pace with the costs of goods and staples. It's easy for those working to say....don't celebrate Xmas, which i think is very unfair to those with small children, the dole is hard enough at Xmas without this extra burden.

Richard Dower

A sinle person on rent allowance is means tested, and they DO check you live at your home and they also sent rent review forms every four months....thus no fraud rubbish please. A single person also has to remian within a rent cap, €85 a week.....BUT, you then have to pay a supplement to this, as in money taken FROM your dole....it went up by €5 in the last budget....so how much this time?

€85 cap and you pay €13, and now a further reduction????

The_Minister

Rents have gone down across the country, maybe you should try to renegotiate your rent?

RedXIV

Just so i get this straight, rent allowance has been lowered by how much? My OH is fairly dependant on that?

Richard Dower

Are you serious????....a rent reduction in the current climate???????, if anything landlords are putting prices up!, where are these rent reductions people speak of?

mandandpeter

Richard Dower wrote: »

Are you serious????....a rent reduction in the current climate???????, if anything landlords are putting prices up!, where are these rent reductions people speak of?

I agree!

Villain

Rental Suppliment will go down inline with reduction in Rents, if you haven't got a reduction then move cheaper location, Rent HAS gone down

shellyboo

Richard Dower wrote: »

Are you serious????....a rent reduction in the current climate???????, if anything landlords are putting prices up!, where are these rent reductions people speak of?

They're... everywhere? Our landlord just reduced ours from 2000 to 1800 and we're still moving cos we can get a better deal... latest figures say rents are down around 12%.

Richard Dower

RedXIV wrote: »

Just so i get this straight, rent allowance has been lowered by how much? My OH is fairly dependant on that?

They haven't given exact figures :rolleyes:
It varies for each HSE catchment area, as in rent allowance is higher in Dublin then say Limerick. I think €5-8 myself.

The_Minister

Richard Dower wrote: »

Are you serious????....a rent reduction in the current climate???????, if anything landlords are putting prices up!, where are these rent reductions people speak of?

http://www.daft.ie/news/2009/daft-rental-report-q4-2008.daft

Rents are falling massively, as more and more mortgage holders need to rent out part of their house to pay their debts.
Rents have plummetted across Ireland.

RedXIV

Richard Dower wrote: »

where are these rent reductions people speak of?

I can't find anything refering to them on the websites?

from the finance one:

"Changes to rent supplement eligibility and payment regime."

that seems more about WHO gets it as opposed to how much?

shellyboo

The_Minister wrote: »

http://www.daft.ie/news/2009/daft-rental-report-q4-2008.daft

Rents are falling massively, as more and more mortgage holders need to rent out part of their house to pay their debts.
Rents have plummetted across Ireland.

Was just about to go dig that out, thanks

(am out of actual thanks)

thebaldsoprano

Richard Dower wrote: »

Are you serious????....a rent reduction in the current climate???????, if anything landlords are putting prices up!, where are these rent reductions people speak of?

If your landlord won't give you a rent reduction, move. They're dropping faster than Cowen's pants...

RedXIV

Richard Dower wrote: »

They haven't given exact figures :rolleyes:
It varies for each HSE catchment area, as in rent allowance is higher in Dublin then say Limerick. I think €5-8 myself.

So we're not talking significant drops?

I can tell my girlfriend she's not gonna lose 100s of her Rent allowance?

Richard Dower

The rents are going down on the HIGHER end, as in rents for lush apartments, not the crap stock and dire conditions that those on rent allowance are able to get. The bottom line, rent allowance has a CAP, you can only get a place within a specific price bracket....if you go over they wont give you rent allowance!

The rents YOU guys are talking about are those for PRIVATE rented accomodation, pads for people with JOBS....not the housing and aparment stock the majority of rent supplement people live in.

Richard Dower

As such the landlords I am talking about are NOT reducing rent, they know they caps and will not budge one cent!!!!

Orla K

I agree, the places that are rent allowance are awful. When I was going on it I couldn't even find somewhere in the price range, eventually found one on a hot sunny day, inside was freezing, there was a hole in the roof and it was only really one room with a bathroom attached.

snubbleste

RTÉ just reported that rent supplement will be reduced by a sixth per annum, don't know if that is the case or not

foxy06

The whole rent supplement arrangement is a joke. A friend of mine is desperate to go out and get a job just to keep her sanity and a bit of time away from the kids. She also wants to have a bit of dignity by paying her own way. Unfortunately the way the system works she is worse off if she goes out to work. She has to pay childcare and after the first 75 euro she earns the rest gets reduced from her rent supplement. This means in order for her to get a job she needs to wait until the council supply her with housing. Surely reducing her rent supplement by 50% of what she earns would be a better idea? It would mean single parents can afford childcare and go out and earn money and hopefully the will eventually be self sufficient?

white apples

foxy06 wrote: »

The whole rent supplement arrangement is a joke.......the way the system works she is worse off if she goes out to work....Surely reducing her rent supplement by 50% of what she earns would be a better idea? It would mean single parents can afford childcare and go out and earn money and hopefully the will eventually be self sufficient?

Hello foxy, what do you think this government are? Sensible. :eek:

Nothing they do makes any sense. Even a single person on dole and rent allowance has a tiny tiny incentive to go working for minimum wage when they've paid their taxes & expenses. And as well as not decreasing SW payments, they increase taxes!! which means the difference will be even less now! Like seriously, how can they say that this makes sense? They should be encouraging ppl to go out and work.

anntionette

Not all Rents are going down. In my expereience only those at the higher end are reducing. I know friends renting houses in the 1800 - 2000 p/m bracket getting their landlords to reduce rent quite a bit. But equally know people on rents of 1400 and below who aren't getting reductions even with asking and threatening to move but its worth chancing your arm, if your landlord can then they surely will if they want to keep a good tenant.

NTLsucks

anntionette wrote: »

Not all Rents are going down. In my expereience only those at the higher end are reducing. I know friends renting houses in the 1800 - 2000 p/m bracket getting their landlords to reduce rent quite a bit. But equally know people on rents of 1400 and below who aren't getting reductions even with asking and threatening to move but its worth chancing your arm, if your landlord can then they surely will if they want to keep a good tenant.

oh no the rich lawyers and doctors paying 2K rent arent getting any reductions, lets all say a prayer for them in this tough times.

The_Minister

NTLsucks wrote: »

oh no the rich lawyers and doctors paying 2K rent arent getting any reductions, lets all say a prayer for them in this tough times.

You didn't even bother to read that did you?

bobbiw

I dont think it went far enough. They should have hit social welfare a lot harder. Looked at the long term unemployed and where they lived etc (with parents?)

It was good to hit the under 20s with a 50% cut, they should have hit under 25s.

It certainly should be based on how long you worked, profession etc.

So people who worked for years and are on hard times should have been helped a lot more. Those who just dont work should have had all their benefits withdrawn.

Orla K

bobbiw wrote: »

It certainly should be based on how long you worked, profession etc.

So people who worked for years and are on hard times should have been helped a lot more. Those who just dont work should have had all their benefits withdrawn.

What about those people that spent 3/4 years in college only to come out of it to this? It's harder for them to get a job because they have no experience and now there are more people with x amount of years experience looking for the same jobs.

beggars_bush

the rent supplement keeps rents artificially high

landlords know the government thresholds for the supplement and so can keep their rents at a certain level

who mainly own the rented accommodation? mainly the professional classes - doctors medical profession, lawyers, guards, prison officers, TDs, well paid civil servants

along with people who style themselves as builders/developers

bobbiw

Orla K wrote: »

What about those people that spent 3/4 years in college only to come out of it to this? It's harder for them to get a job because they have no experience and now there are more people with x amount of years experience looking for the same jobs.

Its called life, for some reason the IRish think they are entitled to everything.

There should be no dole after 6 months. And everything should be means tested.

Orla K

bobbiw wrote: »

So people who worked for years and are on hard times should have been helped a lot more. Those who just dont work should have had all their benefits withdrawn.

I don't think that people should be separated like that, if you worked x amount of years in any job your entitled to more help than someone just out of college who thought they would be able to get a good job

gcgirl

bobbiw wrote: »

Its called life, for some reason the IRish think they are entitled to everything.

There should be no dole after 6 months. And everything should be means tested.

Mary Harney on boards!! lol
If i had just got out of College i'd get out of Ireland as soon as i could!!

Godge

The rent supplement didn't refect market changes. The only rents not being reduced were those where the landlord knew the tenant was on rental supplement.

Landlords will have to react to this change and reduce their rents in those situations. Otherwise they will lose tenants to those who are prepared to reduce rents, and there are plenty of those out there in the current climate.

bobbiw

gcgirl wrote: »

Mary Harney on boards!! lol
If i had just got out of College i'd get out of Ireland as soon as i could!!

And where would you go, most people cant speak another language so mainland europe is out. America is out as you need a working visa and they are not giving them out. UK possibly but they are in a similar situation. Austrailia is probobly the only option.

gcgirl

bobbiw wrote: »

And where would you go, most people cant speak another language so mainland europe is out. America is out as you need a working visa and they are not giving them out. UK possibly but they are in a similar situation. Austrailia is probobly the only option.

Austrailia i know loads that have gone over in the past year not enough work there, Canada are Closing down on visa's for there, Theres always Poland!!

questioner

white apples wrote: »

Hello foxy, what do you think this government are? Sensible. :eek:

Nothing they do makes any sense. Even a single person on dole and rent allowance has a tiny tiny incentive to go working for minimum wage when they've paid their taxes & expenses. And as well as not decreasing SW payments, they increase taxes!! which means the difference will be even less now! Like seriously, how can they say that this makes sense? They should be encouraging ppl to go out and work.

minimum wage = 38 x 8.65 = approx 330 euro. Working conditons generally awful, hours unsociable, soul destroying. Zero assistance from social welfare.

Unemployment benefit = 204 euro
Rent supplement = 75-120 euro a week
medical card = Priceless

incentives to work = zero.

O'Coonassa

global economy = recession

available jobs = less than zero

It's cracking me up how so many people are fine about the far larger cut of their tax going to the banksters and are in fact rabid about a few spongers (who so far as employers or any sensible people would be concerned are actually unemployable)

Hobbes

bobbiw wrote: »

And where would you go, most people cant speak another language so mainland europe is out.

Learn to speak the language.

snubbleste

• Entitlement is being restricted to individuals who have been an existing tenant for at least six months or who have been placed on a local authority housing list following a full housing assessment. This measure is intended to avoid people moving into private rented accommodation simply because of the availability of Rent Supplement.
• The minimum contribution that recipients of Rent Supplement & Mortgage Interest Supplement make towards their rent or mortgage is being increased from €18 to €24 per week (This will bring rent supplement contributions more in line with local authority differential rents).
• The maximum rent limits that will apply to new Rent Supplement payments are being reduced to reflect reductions in private rent levels in recent months. Reductions will be 6% to 7% on average, ranging up to 10%, depending on the geographical area and household size.
• In order to encourage landlords of existing rent supplement tenants to reduce their rents given the reductions in the market as a whole, the payments currently being made to tenants are being reduced by 8%. While tenants are contractually obliged to pay the rent agreed to in their lease, it is hoped that landlords will decrease the rent in recognition of the fact that rents have fallen generally and that there are now a large number of vacant rental properties nationally.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2009/Pages/pr070409.aspx

Devilman

snubbleste wrote: »

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2009/Pages/pr070409.aspx

The interesting thing about the last point is, what happens to those who have already negotiated downwards this year (or are already at the current market rate). Landlords are legally only allowed to review rents once every 12 months, so they are not likely to review them again this year.

aare

Devilman wrote: »

The interesting thing about the last point is, what happens to those who have already negotiated downwards this year (or are already at the current market rate). Landlords are legally only allowed to review rents once every 12 months, so they are not likely to review them again this year.

That is very, very true...somebody needs to iron that one out...

They also need to clarify if they are, in fact, leaving existing tenants to contribute e6 per week extra AND 8% of existing rent unless the landlord will reduce, which is exceptionally unfair...

As though people are responsible for their landlords!

danio

I am applying for rent allowance but I am afraid I pay over the max. I read that if your actual rent is higher than the local maximum, you may be refused the rent supplement entirely.

I live in Dublin, single person in shared accomodation. How much is the max rent that I can pay in order to get the supplement?

aare

danio wrote: »

I am applying for rent allowance but I am afraid I pay over the max. I read that if your actual rent is higher than the local maximum, you may be refused the rent supplement entirely.

I live in Dublin, single person in shared accomodation. How much is the max rent that I can pay in order to get the supplement?

This week (pre Budget) it is 98euros...

If I were you I'd pitch it at 90euros...be on the safe side?

(THIS is the aspect I hate )

Quartet

O'Coonassa wrote: »

global economy = recession

available jobs = less than zero

It's cracking me up how so many people are fine about the far larger cut of their tax going to the banksters and are in fact rabid about a few spongers (who so far as employers or any sensible people would be concerned are actually unemployable)

from the Social Welfare Web Site Here

By providing almost €21.3 billion for social welfare – 20% more than what was spent in 2008 – the Government has ensured that income support will be available ...and has avoided a general cut in weekly social welfare payment rates.

Thats how much those still in work and being crippled by tax are paying....

aare

Quartet wrote: »

Thats how much those still in work and being crippled by tax are paying....

And a combination of:

• Homelessness
• Starving people
• Civil Unrest (you seriously think they will lie down and die quietly?)

Will make that better, exactly, how?

Better idea...

How would you feel about going on paying people enough to actually stay alive and have a roof over their heads, and setting up an agency to explore and allocate work they could do, in return for just travel costs that will save other people actual money until they can find work?

Quartet

My original Quote Here

from the Social Welfare Web Site Here


By providing almost €21.3 billion for social welfare – 20% more than what was spent in 2008 – the Government has ensured that income support will be available ...and has avoided a general cut in weekly social welfare payment rates.
Thats how much those still in work and being crippled by tax are paying....

This ref is only valid in relation to the post it was quoted in btw! Nothing to do with what I think you are saying

aare wrote: »

And a combination of:

• Homelessness
• Starving people
• Civil Unrest (you seriously think they will lie down and die quietly?)

Will make that better, exactly, how?

No dont get what you are saying here?...The above is the amount spent in Social Welfare. A huge amount of national expenditure extracted from those still with enough incentive to work....

If you mean that these workers will be homeless, starving and civil unrest after being unable to pay their rents, mortgages and food bills and finally revolt from being milked like cows then I suppose I agree with you

How would you feel about going on paying people enough to actually stay alive and have a roof over their heads, and setting up an agency to explore and allocate work they could do, in return for just travel costs that will save other people actual money until they can find work?

yeah that sounds like an idea - realistic?

partyatmygaff

NTLsucks wrote: »

oh no the rich lawyers and doctors paying 2K rent arent getting any reductions, lets all say a prayer for them in this tough times.

Too bad for them, they dont need a rent allowance nor dole as they actually did something in their lives and went to college unlike you and the rest of other dole spongers who decide to do nothing more than live off everyone else's taxes

aare

Quartet wrote: »

If you mean that these workers will be homeless, starving and civil unrest after being unable to pay their rents, mortgages and food bills and finally revolt from being milked like cows then I suppose I agree with you

Whether those, or those already unemployed...none of them starving, homeless, or creating civil unrest would work terribly well with my schedule...you?

Quartet wrote: »

yeah that sounds like an idea - realistic?

Could have been done years ago is someone had the sense to fire FAS and start over (and, having socialised with 'em, I am afraid I know more "whereof I speak" than I actually care to).

See, it depends on how you do it...there is always labour people can't do themselves, and have to pay for, and, these days, they could probably use saving the money.

Whoever needs the work pays the worker's travel costs (at the rate of FAS employees travel expenses...or in real terms? You choose. ) and provides tea, bikkies and a midday meal (if appropriate).

No-one is allowed to work more than 30 hours a week (because looking for paid work does require time).

All you need to do is set up a database. I think you might be surprised how many people will be only too happy to offer their skills...or...offer to learn from the skills of others in areas they would, never, ordinarily be able to...cooking, gardening...they are all areas where people CAN labour and learn...there are loads...

It could be really great...and there is no reason why it couldn't be a great, fun unifying project too (remember how nice it was when people weren't roving around looking for people to hate?)

PS. I missed you too;)

Quartet

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Too bad for them, they dont need a rent allowance nor dole as they actually did something in their lives and went to college unlike you and the rest of other dole spongers who decide to do nothing more than live off everyone else's taxes

Who says wisdom only comes with age

pete2626

hey guys. i have a question. I needed to get my rent suppliment backdated but when i went through the process they wouldn't give me the full amount so i have to appeal it. Can anyone help? I need to get this goin as quick as posssible as i have no money and cant pay the rent. This is really stressing me out. Any advice would be really appreciated.

ixoy

pete2626 wrote: »

hey guys. i have a question. I needed to get my rent suppliment backdated but when i went through the process they wouldn't give me the full amount so i have to appeal it. Can anyone help? I need to get this goin as quick as posssible as i have no money and cant pay the rent. This is really stressing me out. Any advice would be really appreciated.

This question is far more suited to the State Benefits forum.