i got a new ride..

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VWPowered

proper pov spec, no rear wipe, reverse lights... just about has headlights...:D

Mycroft H

Cool.....

I love simple cars.....

What engine has it? I guess it has a 4 speed box.

What size tyres has it? 125's? They look really thin, like something off a wheelbarrow!

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werid enough the owner said 1.3 but elsewhere somewhere someone says 1.0, Carte Gris (French Reg Paper) only says 4CV; (not 4CV as in model lol, 4CV as in power rating) yep 4 speed stick on the floor, tyres a massive 135/80 13 roofrack now binned.. :rolleyes:

gstonesmx5

What a motor. Are you going to keep it as it is or has it got a big future? Good luck with it.

VWPowered

its a keeper whether it stays as it is or I improve is yet undecided..

draycottgirlz

ha is that where the spare is kept? wow

stifz

It's Crying out for neon under body lights..

nmacc

It's a little hard to tell as she's so French, but from the circular air cleaner I'd venture she's actually 845cc. You should be able to tell by the plates on the bulkhead or on RHS inner wing above the battery.

There will be a diamond-shaped plate and an oval one and they'll have a number like R1221 or R1222. The engine type will be on the oval plate and it will probably be 800-10 which is the 845 cc Ventoux motor originally from the R4 which was fitted to the model sold in Ireland as the R5L. The more common TL had the 956cc R1222 Sierra motor which was a type 689-10.

I believe there was even a 750cc version sold in France, but I don't have the data for that.

Since yours has the later dahboard, it might be possible that it has the 1108cc lump which I think originated back in the old R8.

Right, that's quite enough tedious French trivia for one night!

Gary ITR

/goes to the misleading thread titles thread :mad:

Nice car, just as I opened this thread the ad for the lotto was on tv3 with the R5 that won't start

VWPowered

ahhh just the man then, doesnt have any of that written on the oval plate this is what is on it

1391
100000
0066242



if it helps mine has a dicky starter motor

VWPowered

it does however have a side exhaust exhaust a la 4, so it maybe a 845cc like you said

nmacc

VWPowered wrote: »

it does however have a side exhaust exhaust a la 4, so it maybe a 845cc like you said

'Fraid you got me on the oval plate; is there an R number in the middle of the diamond?

The side exhaust is helpful; it means that it can't rust in the usual place where it loops over the rear torsion bars.

The dicky starter motor is common and usually caused by worn brushes. They often start to go after about 75k (miles). They're not hard to fix if you have a LARGE soldering iron, or a blowtorch with a soldering bit, but the starter can be a bugger to get out from under the exhaust manifold. I used to loosen off the manifold and disconnect the exhaust clamp to give the clearance, but I seem to remember that the manifold on the 845cc is smaller and you might not have that problem.

VWPowered

was no R on the oval, the vin plate is square so assume its only those to plates on the car??.. anyone run a chassis check

drove all the way home (2hours) at a constant 90/100kmph quiet happy it was, has 165,000kms so maybe i'll give it a service, has service history too and the service book says its had one service at 1,500kms :eek:



(camera dont like inside pics ) (the 85 would of been the cars first ever CT at 2 years old)

Mycroft H

http://www.worldofmotorsports.com/car/tech_spec.asp?specID=16628&make=Renault



Heres some info. It has 35 wheezin donkeys under the bonnet and will do a standing quarter mile in 22 seconds.....

VWPowered

what no discs

i have a Phase 2 5 as well with disc brakes will they transfer over..:rolleyes:

Mycroft H

Nmac is the man you want to be talking to about renaults.

I presume you would need to change the mount for drums/discs. And i wouldnt be sure weather the vacume brakes are supplieing enough pressure for discs.....

nmacc

If you look just in front of the heater intake and to the right of the air cleaner - as per VWpowered's photos, not from the driver's seat - you'll see the master cylinder. It's mounted directly on the bulkhead, no servo.

Just because the brakes are drum does not mean they won't stop the car. I used to have a '73 Mercury Comet. 250ci straight 6 (that's 4.1 litres to you & I) and it had drums all round; it stopped fine. The main problem with the old R4 braking system is the amount of maintenance it needs to keep it in good shape. There are two cylinders at each front wheel, one for the leading & one for the trailing shoe. That makes a total of 6 wheel cylinders to adjust and to draw in air when they start to leak as they always do.

To be honest I don't know what would be involved in a drum-disk swap. There are many differences between the two braking systems. All of my work was done on earlier models, but the R1221 had different, smaller rear drums than the R1222. The master cylinders were also different and the early R1221s actually had single-circuit brakes; hard to believe those were ever legal!

nmacc

landyman wrote: »

Nmac is the man you want to be talking to about renaults...

There are a couple of folks on this board who have forgotten more about Renaults than I will ever know. The easiest way to disc brakes is probably to buy an R1222! The example that VWpowered has found looks remarkably rust-free. I would have thought that Charentes is a wee bit northerly for proper rust-free motors, but there's probably quite a few old R5s not rotting away in the South of France.

nmacc

Speaking of rust-free Renaults in France....



Anyone care to offer an opinion on this?

Look carefully!

VWPowered

interesting to know that, the brakes are abit soft and it failed it's CT on one of the rear cylinders (thats was the only fail afew recommendations though) so will have to take it apart to have a gander anyway.. maybe once i've gone though the system, the brakes may work properly and in turn give me more confidence in them..

on another note this is now on its way to my house too, just swapped it for a Golf Mk3 i got lying around doing nowt :rolleyes:





i'm lucky in a way as i know of at least 10 sat up around here so parts shouldnt be an issue, can't remember the last time i saw one in a breakers in the UK

nmacc

Ah, now that is a 1222! You can tell by the plastic caps on the wheels and the little bits of chrome. That should give you an idea as to whether the discs can be swapped.

Of course you should really be looking for a TS, a TX, or an Alpine. The last is very rare and they were nearly all thrashed, crashed, or both. It should still be possible to find a TS somewhere. Basically the same car, but with 1289cc, stiffer suspension, an extra anti-roll bar, a few extra trim bits and, oddly enough, an extra bulb at the back of each headlight linked to the high beam, making for a sort of concealed spot light. The TX is a later version with a few electric gimmicks.

VWPowered

nmacc wrote: »

Speaking of rust-free Renaults in France....



Anyone care to offer an opinion on this?

Look carefully!

made out of coke bottles..



not seen many Mk1 versions even in france most are the later big square light model :cool:

nmacc

Not Coke bottles, 'tis plarstic, but there's more to that one than meets the eye. I'll leave it out there for a few of the eagle-eyed mavens to peruse.

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nmacc wrote: »

Ah, now that is a 1222! You can tell by the plastic caps on the wheels and the little bits of chrome. That should give you an idea as to whether the discs can be swapped.

Of course you should really be looking for a TS, a TX, or an Alpine. The last is very rare and they were nearly all thrashed, crashed, or both. It should still be possible to find a TS somewhere. Basically the same car, but with 1289cc, stiffer suspension, an extra anti-roll bar, a few extra trim bits and, oddly enough, an extra bulb at the back of each headlight linked to the high beam, making for a sort of concealed spot light. The TX is a later version with a few electric gimmicks.

how about these then

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nmacc

Fantastic! I could have a lot of fun there. The TS shot from the back seems to have been fitted with the Alpine alloys and has potential, if only for the wheels. The ones with the elaborate steel wheels are probably the last of the Mk1s as they loaded them up with all sorts of crap such as spoilers and go-faster stripes to clear out the stock prior to the new model.

If you picked up a GTL you could have very economical motoring; they were officially the most fuel-efficient car in the UK at the time. They have the 1289cc motor detuned with the single-barrel solex from the R1222 and used to regularly return better than 50 mpg.

Some of the decorative wheels could belong to TXs and they could be a source of toys such as power window regulators and so forth. If the local breakers are amenable you could fill a few boxes with bits.

VWPowered

yeah the TX was smashed in at the front, would like the gordini mirrors and alloys of it but likely to want a million euros for the parts..

the Super has a gordini style front bumper with fogs and funky roof spoiler so may go after that too.. if nothing else the parts must be quiet rare so i'll see what sort of deal i can strike with the garage (already have a photo agreement where i can go back every few months grabbed pics in exchange for free publicity :rolleyes:

to be honest if it is a 845cc as suspected i'm happy with the way it goes did a constant 90/100kmph all the way home without a whimper (2hour journey) although the headlamp lense fell out soon as i pulled up on the drive :rolleyes:

alastair

nmacc wrote: »

Not Coke bottles, 'tis plarstic, but there's more to that one than meets the eye. I'll leave it out there for a few of the eagle-eyed mavens to peruse.

The turbo/Gordini alloys?

nmacc

Ok Alastair, you spotted the clue, but what is the body shell?

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mehari

nmacc

VWPowered wrote: »

mehari

Nope, that was a Citroen; check out the back lights.

alastair

nmacc wrote: »

Nope, that was a Citroen; check out the back lights.

The body looks like a regular Rodeo 4 - but I don't recognise the rear lights off anything else.

Bitten & Hisses

The lights are off a Renault 4 van, aren't they?

alastair

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

The lights are off a Renault 4 van, aren't they?

yeah - but that would be correct for the original Rodeos.

nmacc

Alastair takes the biscuit as it is indeed a Rodeo. The interesting part is that those Alpine (Gordini) alloys were not just decorative. I opened the bonnet and it was all there, the proper Alpine engine and box.

I don't know if they had grafted over the running gear also; I suspect that could be tricky as the Rodeo is a Renault 4 and therefore has a separate chassis while the R5 is unitary. Still, if the R4 bits fit the R5 shell as with VWpowered's new runabout, then it may be possible, even though the Gordini had many differences including driveshafts, wishbones, etc.

Considering the Rodeo is made out of tupperware and weights nowt, it must be interesting to drive with an Alpine powerplant. What is the French for "sh1t off a shovel"?

It wasn't in use and looked like it was being disposed of and I was sorely tempted to make an offer, but my wife was present and would not have taken kindly to me trailering back another "project". Besides, what use would a car with no roof be in Ireland?

Renotec

Folks! I'm speechless here. This is a great thread, NMACC hats off to you have the data on the Renaults. We must have met in a previous life.

VWpowered - You sure do know how to get a fella going.

Reminds me - a couple of Rodeo's (lefties) did made it to Ireland. Anyone come accross them?

carchaeologist

nmacc wrote: »

What is the French for "sh1t off a shovel"?

merde le une pelle?? lol!!Or something like that?

I thought renotec would overheat reading this alright!!Those Rodeos sound like great fun! You will have to go back without the wife!!:p

nmacc

Previous life? Several actually; unfortunately I've been broke in all of them!

As for going back without the wife, I did just that the next summer, but the Rodeo was gone

I'd love to get my hands dirty on something light and simple like those R5s, but I think it needs a nice, dry, sunny, French summer.

Then again, perhaps I'm the one who needs the long dry sunny French summer!

VWPowered

carchaeologist wrote: »

merde le une pelle??

they would be more likely just use merde

if its a power thing then beaucoup puissance (much power) there is a hand signal to go with that but doing on the net i cant show ya

i noticed the R4 lights striaght away as well as the gordini wheels thought it was a special model rather than a custom :rolleyes: sure be a intresting motor that though