Is BJJ all that?

JMCD

Was just wondering what the title says really. Im a big fan of MMA but this is by far the one art that least interests me.

So I was just wondering if anyone feels the same/felt the same but has had their opinion changed by actually participating in BJJ, especially coming from a different background.

To me it just reminds me of 2 kids of a young age "fighting". I hope im not coming across as being disrespectful, because I know its an integral part of any fighters game but is it that interesting and that enjoyable?

Clive

JMCD wrote: »

is it that interesting and that enjoyable?

Yes, yes it is.

dunkamania

Try it and find out :rolleyes:

dlofnep

It's all that and a kettle of fish!

BJJ is a very fun sport, that just so happens to be an effective means of self-defense. Is it the be all and end all of martial arts? Of course not. But is it pretty damn sexy? You betcha!

Fozzy

I think that the thing with BJJ, maybe more than any other martial art, is that if you use it on an opponent with no knowledge of it you can totally dominate them. That was the key to why Royce did so good in the early UFCs

BJJ is the art that I most like to watch. I think that it's really open, there's so much that you can do with it

MartyMcFly84

Really unless you try it out you'll never know how effective it really is.

Ive yet to meet somone who tried it and didnt have the same reaction I did ... which was "f*ck me! that was some crazy cool sh!t"

Roper

BJJ is the only thing I really love in fighting. I'm in and out of love with everything else, but BJJ keeps me coming back.

Copied from the Ring of Truth forum, an interview with Damian Maia:
Congratulations for winning your last fight at UFC 95. This is your 10th win in a row, the 5th in UFC. Your first pro MMA fight was with Polish Lukas Chlewicki, just 3 years ago. Do you remember that fight?

Actually this is my 11 win. My first MMA fight was against Raul Sosa, in Venezuela, in 2001. About my fight against Lukas, of course I remember. It was a tough fight, he is a good fighter. He escaped from many positions but in the end I got him in an arm-lock.
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> You've been preparing yourself for the fight at Wanderlei Silva's gym. The result of it was visible during your last fight. Was the change of your fighting style intentional or it is side effect of collaboration with Wanderlei Silva?

I didn t change my style. I just didn t need to fight too much stand up before. This fight I did a litle bit. Of course training with Wanderlei helps me a lot. He gives a lot of attention to me. I normally go there 3 weeks before my fights, to do the final preparation there. Most of my training I do in Brasil.
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> After your last win everyone expects your fight with Anderson Silva. He has a nearly god status in UFC, do you think that anyone can beat him?

I think I could beat him.
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> You are famous for your submissions. From your MMA fights only 1 you've won by TKO and another one by judges decision. You're notorious in winning ?submission of the night' honours in UFC. Do you think that BJJ techniques should be practiced in no holds barred fights in mind?

Always. BJJ was create for self-defense, and thats how we should pratice this.
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> What do of think about Brock Lesnar? Is he a future of UFC?

He has just feel MMA fights, we cannot have too much conclusions about him.
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> Let's talk about non UFC fighters. The first person to mention is Fedor. What makes him so great fighter? Does anyone can beat him? It is announced Fedor will fight at ADCC this year, what do you expect?

I think what makes him a great fighter is his mind, more than his skill. I mean, he has great skill, but the most amazing thing is his mind. There s just feel guys whom can beat him. About ADCC, I don t think he has a good chance. There s so much great graplers there and he cannot punch the guys, just graple with them.
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> You're author of great series of tutorial films ? Science of Jiu jitsu?, what, in your opinion, is the most important thing for every BJJ practitioner to learn?

Good basic, complete BJJ, with self-defence, gi and no gi.
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> One of the most important parts of preparation for the fight is physical training. Can you describe your usual workout?

Crazy. The most hard workout in the world. I almost die. Thats what my phisical coach (Rafael Alejarra) does to me. He is the guy.
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> At the end of our talk, can you give some advise for young people who want to be professional fighters?

Train BJJ because you will need it. And make sure that you love to fight. Don t go for that because the money or the fame. The only way to be a champion is to love what you do.

calex71

as someone who's never tried mma / bjj ill add my uneducated opinion

Way i see it over here anyway , if you dont train bjj/jj you got nothing to defend yourself with either from getting taken down or getting out of trouble once your on the ground. In the US many of the fighters would have a wrestling background from school / college as a base for take down defense etc. Over here (open to correction) wrestling isnt very common i would have though and even less people instructing. So other martial arts like bjj and judo etc are trained. Adding more tools to the box i guess .

At the end of the day different people like different things when they watch a mma fight . I personally love the ground game. But in mma the rules allow for a fight to go to the ground and not doing some form of training for and against those attacks would leave a major hole in any fighters game.

cowzerp

BJJ is essential for mma, these days at the top level its less noticed as most fighters cancel each other out with it, so its less noticed than it was when 1 fighter had none or poor bjj, thats why striking is dominating at the moment, the top strikers have good level jitz so can use it to defend the bjj and can utilize there striking to its max, wrestling and striking combined seem to be the key these days but without the bjj knowledge most fighters would get subbed easy enough. Bjj is and always will be important, even if its less visible than it used to be in mma.. Thats because everyone has it..

JMCD

dunkamania wrote: »

Try it and find out :rolleyes:

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Really unless you try it out you'll never know how effective it really is.

Ive yet to meet somone who tried it and didnt have the same reaction I did ... which was "f*ck me! that was some crazy cool sh!t"

Thanks for the replies lads. I think I will try it see what all the fuss is about:p, its not something that really appeals to me although I know how important it is in mma so I guess I'll bite the bullet and let you guys know if I become addicted!:D

Thanks once again.

Put it this way, if you DON'T have BJJ (even if u just train sub defence) then you wont do much in MMA.

O'Leprosy

JMCD wrote: »

Thanks for the replies lads. I think I will try it see what all the fuss is about:p, its not something that really appeals to me although I know how important it is in mma so I guess I'll bite the bullet and let you guys know if I become addicted!:D

Thanks once again.

As some of the lads said, you have to give it a go. I took it up to get an insight into what it was all about, thougt it was a bit of a boor or gayfest as I've heard it when fellas on non MMA sites discuss the UFC. Thought I'd learn a few escapes, the odd submission etc so I could deal with it if I ended on my arse on the floor. Within a few weeks I was saying, this is not only REAL deal, rolling as we call teh equivalent of sparring is a fantastic buzz. Great crack and I find their is much more genuine sportsmanship invovled than in sparring in strikiing systems, where despite what everyone pretends, it gets a bit too personal at times :rolleyes: I mean when one fella taps out another, it's not unusual for the winner to explain to the other guy where he made a mistake or explain the technique used that the other person may not be familiar with to allow him get the win. You'd never see that in striking.

Also an important aspect, because it uses arrest and retraint techniques, I've used it in secutiry work to great effect. Now TKD and boxing etc are obviously good if you get in a punchup, but my point is, if you punch a fella in the face and give him a black eye or kick him in the ribs and crack a rib - you could be in legal trouble. I know there are other arts that claim to be effective at arrest and restraint - none of them anywhere as realistic and effective as BJJ in my experience.
So if you need it for door/security work etc - it's the business.

Tim_Murphy

but is it that interesting and that enjoyable?

To train yes, to watch no.

pablohoney87

O'Leprosy wrote: »

As some of the lads said, you have to give it a go. I took it up to get an insight into what it was all about, thougt it was a bit of a boor or gayfest

Its only gay if you make eye contact
http://www.stevekwan.com/graphics/postings/jiu-jitsu.jpg

Jason Mc

It's a bit like making love with a fat woman

cowzerp

Jason Mc wrote: »

It's a bit like making love with a fat woman

No BJJ is fun, surfing is more like doing a fatty!

Jason Mc

its ok to do just not fun to watch

cowzerp

Jason Mc wrote: »

its ok to do just not fun to watch

I'll leave the fattys to you, even they need lovin! i went there once and never again, please dont ruin bjj for me comparing the 2!!

Jason Mc

my advice is to not go north south, especially if she's on top

they usually have a good base and can be hard to shift

If you do roll with one, taking them in guard or from back control is the best option

lights out

Karmafaerie

BJJ is essential and effective, but not as much as some would have you believe.
To really utilise BJJ in modern MMA, you need good wrestling, and of course standup.

You can be an amazing BJJ fighter, but if you can't get the guy on the ground, you're gonna get your ass kicked time and time again (*cough* Travis Lutter *cough*).

All in all it's necesary to do anything in MMA.
Imagine going into a fight not willing to throw a punch?!

Nothingcompares

If you're interested in becoming a MMA fighter you have to train BJJ (or something equivalent). No ifs or buts. You also have to train Wrestling and boxing (or equivalents). No ifs, no buts.

If you're interested in learning more about BJJ to enjoy being a fan more, you need to go out and train and learn it. BJJ is a chore to watch outside of a highlight reel and the only way of enjoying the sport is rolling.

The other cool thing about BJJ is that you can basically train in it as often as you can because once you understand how to play the game injuries are fairly rare. Wrestle every day in a competitive environment or box everyday in a competitive environment even if you understand sparring you'll still pick up knocks or exhaust yourself if you're cardio isn't top notch. BJJ is a sport you can start training in at a 40 year old and keep going for 30 years.

So MMA fan, fighter or casual martial arts enthusiast BJJ is something I consider essential.

MartyMcFly84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlYD-j9GSvo

this is a good short (older) Doc re the effectiveness of BJJ/GJJ in early UFC.

Dragan

JMCD wrote: »

Was just wondering what the title says really. Im a big fan of MMA but this is by far the one art that least interests me.

So I was just wondering if anyone feels the same/felt the same but has had their opinion changed by actually participating in BJJ, especially coming from a different background.

To me it just reminds me of 2 kids of a young age "fighting". I hope im not coming across as being disrespectful, because I know its an integral part of any fighters game but is it that interesting and that enjoyable?

Yes, it really is. For most of my life i have been big, strong and fast. I always felt that i was quite physically capable and had been doing doorwork for years and had been taking part in very physical sports as well. I had some experience with other arts and with their "sporting" ruleset, or engaging in an actual fight, i had always acquitted myself very well.

The first time i went to a proper class set up for BJJ i got a great idea of exactly what it is that BJJ is. It was something that all my previous experience left me completely unprepared for. I actually felt like i had just found how to effectively control another human being for the first time.

It was all hammered home the first time i rolled with Dunk here, we were about the same size, i was a lot stronger than he was and he easily controlled me. Don't underestimate the word "easy" either, I was literally like a child in his hands.

It's a great art and when combined with other arts in other ranges i would feel it is an essential part of a complete fighter.

RNCFAN

JMCD wrote: »

Was just wondering what the title says really. Im a big fan of MMA but this is by far the one art that least interests me.

So I was just wondering if anyone feels the same/felt the same but has had their opinion changed by actually participating in BJJ, especially coming from a different background.

To me it just reminds me of 2 kids of a young age "fighting". I hope im not coming across as being disrespectful, because I know its an integral part of any fighters game but is it that interesting and that enjoyable?

:eek: Say it aint so.

Go watch any Judo Newaza, Aoki, Maia, Sambo, Jacare or Lister HL reel.
Really.... watch them.

Tim_Murphy

RNCFAN wrote: »

Go watch any Judo Newaza, Aoki, Maia, Sambo, Jacare or Lister HL reel.
Really.... watch them.

HL reels of BJJ matches are fine, other than that it can get very boring to watch very quick.

NothingCompares wrote: »

The other cool thing about BJJ is that you can basically train in it as often as you can because once you understand how to play the game injuries are fairly rare. Wrestle every day in a competitive environment or box everyday in a competitive environment even if you understand sparring you'll still pick up knocks or exhaust yourself if you're cardio isn't top notch. BJJ is a sport you can start training in at a 40 year old and keep going for 30 years.

Tis true. One doesn't need to be nearly as athletic to be competitive at BJJ as one would for boxing or wrestling.

RNCFAN

Watch this

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u41omoNO4U

Nothingcompares

that's judo footage

cowzerp

Nothingcompares wrote: »

that's judo footage

And really cool Judo footage at that..

arybvtcw0eolkf

cowzerp wrote: »

And really cool Judo footage at that..

Paul Judo can be pretty exciting, and tough.

If you'd like to see a good training night drop out to us in Portmarnock on Thursday @ 7pm. You'll get lots of ground work up there too.

There's also training tonight, but it'll be a small attendance due to the holiday (and I'm off the mat with this damn cold/flu I'm battling).

But not to hi-jack the OP's question.

Personally I've never been drawn to BJJ, however the best description of both BJJ & Judo I've heard was from John Kavanagh when he said they were opposite sides of the same coin. And indeed the most exciting BJJ fighters I've seen have also been competent Judoka.

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cowzerp

Mairt wrote: »

Paul Judo can be pretty exciting, and tough.

If you'd like to see a good training night drop out to us in Portmarnock on Thursday @ 7pm. You'll get lots of ground work up there too.

There's also training tonight, but it'll be a small attendance due to the holiday (and I'm off the mat with this damn cold/flu I'm battling).

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Training my lads tonight but i know judo can be great, i've done a bit in my time-:)

respect

RNCFAN

Nothingcompares wrote: »

that's judo footage

Yes, I know. I had advised him to watch Newaza and other HLs to get a taste of all things grappling.

rovert

I must say I enjoyed watching last night the Gracie Jujitsu exhibition from Pride 5. Their technique was so amazing and fluid.

RNCFAN

Bump.

Did you watch any vids suggested? Has your opinion changed or stayed the same?

Valmont

I can't get over that newaza stuff, it's awesome. I never even knew it existed either. Is all judo like that?

Nothingcompares

that was a highlight reel of some international judo tournaments, it's really high standard stuff.

I don't know what you mean.

Valmont

Nothingcompares wrote: »

that was a highlight reel of some international judo tournaments, it's really high standard stuff.

I don't know what you mean.

What do you mean you don't know what I mean?

Nothingcompares

Is your question, "is all judo like a 10 minute high light reel?". Then the answer is no. It's not like a high light reel. Cause a high light reel is a high light reel.

Valmont

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Is your question, "is all judo like a 10 minute high light reel?". Then the answer is no. It's not like a high light reel. Cause a high light reel is a high light reel.

I'm not stupid, of course that wasn't the question. I meant does all judo have such an emphasis on the ground game? Or is this just a special type of Judo?

cowzerp

Valmont wrote: »

I'm not stupid, of course that wasn't the question. I meant does all judo have such an emphasis on the ground game? Or is this just a special type of Judo?

No, these where just the best in the world and are high class grapplers, Most Judoka are much better throwers than grapplers, depends on the clubs they come from-some prefer throws and hardly do rolling and others put more emphasis on submissions..

Nothingcompares

The judo in that clip is the most standard judo around. Everything Cowzer said is correct imo. Kosen Judo exists but I don't think this is an example of such. Just remember, there may have been 5000 fights to get that 10 minute high light reel. In the same way, you could watch 50 MMA fights before you say a spinning back elbow or 100 before you see a flying triangle.

dlofnep

Valmont wrote: »

I'm not stupid, of course that wasn't the question. I meant does all judo have such an emphasis on the ground game? Or is this just a special type of Judo?

While all judo schools will give time to groundwork - the level of groundwork is very basic. For example - alot of it revolves around control, rather than finishing.. Scarf-hold is popular, as a pin can mean a win.

Think for example, you're in a BJJ match - you pass guard, and hold side control for 10 seconds. It would be regarded as a win, so naturaly - in terms of competition, a strong side control is equally if not more important than submissions.

Judo groundwork is weird, especially in competitions. I got stood up, when I had someone's back, with one of their arms trapped with my leg as I was going for a RNC - all because it took me 10 or 20 seconds to setup.

I've rolled with some judo black belts, and those who do focus on ground work have SICK gi-chokes.. and great attacks at the turtle. I rolled with a french black belt and turtled, in the space of 5 seconds, he had me rolling in a 360, while slapping a gi choke on me.. I was dumbfounded. But then, in the guard - he seemed a little unsure of what to do.

So - it's strong in some areas, weak in others - but competitively, it totally revolves around the ref and how much time he decides to give you on the ground