Getting Car Chipped

littletiger

Though my car isn't a modified car I think that the peolpe here would have the right knowledge.

I have a diesel 90bhp HDi and have heard that it is easy to get it brought up to 110bhp.

How is this done, approx. how much would it cost and where is the best place to get it done?

KamiKazi

Might help if you said what car you have...

littletiger

peugeot 406

Gumbo

www.autoremap.ie

theres loads more that can probably do it.

should cost about 350 euro, but well worth it imo.

garyegt

i know a gut wht had a t red di passat, aout 130 standard, got it chipped and it was up around 170:eek:

The Real B-man

kceire wrote: »

www.autoremap.ie

theres loads more that can probably do it.

should cost about 350 euro, but well worth it imo.

Totally agree get a Remap!

Sqaull20

I got it done with autotune.ie on saturday, they come to you and charge 375e, but if you get a mate to have one done as well you can get it cheaper.Really makes a difference, I havent tested it for exact power yet, but fella that done it ( Lance ) says it should be pulling 170bhp now up from 130bhp and 380nm torque up from 310nm.

Roen

Hi lads/lassies,


Related to the OP's question so I won't start a new thread.

Is a remap in any way different to buying a chip and installing it yourself?
I was considering getting buying a chip for a Peugeot 406 coupe and putting it in myself.
Considering the price versus getting autotune or autoremap to do it, is it worth it? Is there any danger of having the chip overwritten during a service if it is re-mapped?

Chip I was thinking of is This one here.

Regards,
R.

Lonan

kceire wrote: »

www.autoremap.ie

theres loads more that can probably do it.

should cost about 350 euro, but well worth it imo.

Sweet these guys are just down the road from me.......literally

martydunf

I also have a 90bhp tdi golf but I figured I wouldn't see much of an increase power-wise becuase its only 90bhp standard. so it would be worth while then?
I dont want to be changing to a bigger turbo and injectors as was suggested before!;)

Gumbo

Roen wrote: »

Hi lads/lassies,


Related to the OP's question so I won't start a new thread.

Is a remap in any way different to buying a chip and installing it yourself?
I was considering getting buying a chip for a Peugeot 406 coupe and putting it in myself.
Considering the price versus getting autotune or autoremap to do it, is it worth it? Is there any danger of having the chip overwritten during a service if it is re-mapped?

Chip I was thinking of is This one here.

Regards,
R.

this is very similar to a remap as in you get the extra power etc but the problem is, that the box is a generic map set for your car in general. it doesnt take into account the individual characteristics of your particular engine and use them to either squeeze some more from the engine or indeed retard it a bit to prolong the engine.

martydunf wrote: »

I also have a 90bhp tdi golf but I figured I wouldn't see much of an increase power-wise becuase its only 90bhp standard. so it would be worth while then?
I dont want to be changing to a bigger turbo and injectors as was suggested before!;)

you should see 110-115 bhp and a noticeable increase in torque. i would recommend it imo.

Vegeta

kceire wrote: »

this is very similar to a remap as in you get the extra power etc but the problem is, that the box is a generic map set for your car in general. it doesnt take into account the individual characteristics of your particular engine and use them to either squeeze some more from the engine or indeed retard it a bit to prolong the engine.

Exactly, it sounds like these guys are just putting pre made maps into the cars without testing AFR or ignition timing. Lots of people put stock maps in their cars and that's fine it works for a lot of people (these maps are probably made for that specific engine type).

To do it very well you need to know a fair bit of theory, have access to a decent loading rolling road and have various sensors to quantify the changes made ( Wideband O2 and EGT are 2 that jump out at me)

Roen

Hi lads,

Thanks for the heads up, it would seem preferable to go for the re-map rather than just the straight chip swap. I suppose custom builds were always going to beat an out of the box solution.

Tanks once more!
R.

martydunf

Just out of curiousity is there any way to tell if the car has already been chipped?

BadCharlie

martydunf wrote: »

Just out of curiousity is there any way to tell if the car has already been chipped?

Was going to ask this my self.

I have an MR2 130BHP 1994. I think if i was to get this done to my car i would see an improvement of around 170BHP?

You would also be wondering if you should tell your insurance about it :P

Vegeta

martydunf wrote: »

Just out of curiousity is there any way to tell if the car has already been chipped?

If someone socketed the ECU and put a chip into the socket then you'd have to take the cover off the ECU and look at it. Even then unless you had a standard one to compare it to you may not even notice.

I am not an expert though so maybe its very hard to tell.

Try and find a website dedicated to tuning your particular make of car and you may see how its done.

pgmfi.org is a well known one for Honda

On the other hand if its a stand alone ECU they use (doubt it due to cost) then it would be easy to spot really

gofaster_s13

BadCharlie wrote: »

Was going to ask this my self.

I have an MR2 130BHP 1994. I think if i was to get this done to my car i would see an improvement of around 170BHP?

You would also be wondering if you should tell your insurance about it :P

N/A Petrol engines dont tend to see very good results from remaps or chips, the most you could expect to see is an extra 5/6 bhp from an MR2 engine

garyegt

remapping petrols is only good to control other mods, more serious ones like forced induction etc

BadCharlie

Ok thanks for the that, so its not worth it.

fig mclough

is it possible to chip and remap the same car?????
would it be bad 4 da car if it was???

Gumbo

fig mclough wrote: »

is it possible to chip and remap the same car?????
would it be bad 4 da car if it was???

its the same thing man!
technically speaking a remap is to adjust the map on a cars ecu.
some cars ecu's cant be remapped, so an aftermarket ecu/chip can be installed and then that aftermarket chip/ecu is remapped.

colm_mcm

BadCharlie wrote: »

I have an MR2 130BHP 1994.

sounds like a non turbo car, gains should be tiny.

Sean Quagmire

Do you think a remap from 105bhp to 120 bhp could even make a noticable difference?

jamesO

Not really, you really need to have a turbo car for the best results from a remap, dara the chap that does mine told me that non turbo's get about 10 - 15%, petrol turbo around 25% and tdi's around 35% he's very good on price to he's at www.i-remap.com

chriso951

sp heat transfer in ferrybank waterford can chip cars!

martydunf

chriso951 wrote: »

sp heat transfer in ferrybank waterford can chip cars!

Have you any past experience of them doing this? It would be so handy if they could chip my car as Im living about 30 mins away.
I had past dealings with them regarding getting the oil sump welded and they done a fairly good job.

fryup

i don't want to sound like an ol'fart but, does it affect your insurance in any way??

406C

Roen wrote: »

Hi lads/lassies,


Related to the OP's question so I won't start a new thread.

Is a remap in any way different to buying a chip and installing it yourself?
I was considering getting buying a chip for a Peugeot 406 coupe and putting it in myself.
Considering the price versus getting autotune or autoremap to do it, is it worth it? Is there any danger of having the chip overwritten during a service if it is re-mapped?

Chip I was thinking of is This one here.

Regards,
R.

off topic a bit but have you come across the 406 coupe owners club? They have covered this very topic here

http://www.peugeot406coupe.com/

chriso951

martydunf wrote: »

Have you any past experience of them doing this? It would be so handy if they could chip my car as Im living about 30 mins away.
I had past dealings with them regarding getting the oil sump welded and they done a fairly good job.

they are not doing it yet they will be able to do it in abt may if thats anygood to you.

Dirty_Diesel

@OP

I got my old B5.5 PD130 Passat remapped by Ed in http://www.turbotech.ie/

I'm not going to claim figures without proof but I imagine it would have been around or above 170bhp. It was certainly quicker than a PD150 golf!

It should cost around 250 yoyo, I know it depends on how the laptop is hooked up to the car. I would certainly go for it and I imagine you would see more that the 20bhp increase you expect from yours.

Digitaljunkie

gofaster_s13 wrote: »

N/A Petrol engines dont tend to see very good results from remaps or chips, the most you could expect to see is an extra 5/6 bhp from an MR2 engine

Just picked this of another form very good I must say!!

A lot of people focus,

On the peak power gain when talking about tuning.
This should be put into perspective.

An engine only makes peak power for less than a second when accelerating, the rate at what it is accelerating at (mechanical power-wise, not gearing or car weight) is what gets the engine to peak power.


Indicating the average power increase, and not only the peak output, is a better way to illustrate how the car will behave with tuning. During acceleration, for example when overtaking, it’s the area under the power graph in the current rpm interval that determines how fast the car will accelerate. The average power generally tells more about the acceleration than the stated peak output.

e.g. A car with a 2.5litre engine (manual box and rwd) was dyno'd and gave 137rwhp (corrected to J607 and exactly as advertised by the manufacturer, which is unusual).
It was then re-chipped, dyno'd again and showed a 6rwhp gain after atmospheric correction; 143hp.

6rwhp translates to about 7 or 8hp at the crank in a manual rwd car. That doesn't seem worth it at face value.

This doesn't mean it wasn't any different to drive though.
If you looked closely at the car's dyno graph; with the performance chip fitted, the car was making the same power as it did with the o.e. chip, but it was all happening 250rpm earlier.
i.e. if it was making 100rwhp @ 3000rpm on the o.e. chip, it was making 100rwhp at 2,750rpm with the aftermarket one; and this was happening all the way from 1500rpm through to 6,200rpm.

The average power (from 1500 all the way to 6,200rpm) had jumped up considerably and it was noticeable on the road. It improved the 30-70mph acceleration by approximately 0.5 seconds. That, is not to be sniffed at.
The car felt livelier and more responsive to the throttle.
It was money well spent in that particular case.

A good explanation about average power here:-

http://www.impulsengine.com/performance/moreav.shtml

Digitaljunkie

martydunf wrote: »

Just out of curiousity is there any way to tell if the car has already been chipped?

Yes its possible but only on a dyno can it be proved at the moment, your better off insuring your mod for a couple of 100 extra. Your still saving by not buying the next model in the range as well as your fuel if you have a diesel that is.

In the UK I know of two cases where a car and a van were involved in separate accidents last year and their ecu's were checked and found to be tampered with. It went against both parties in court, not the deciding factor in each case but was used against them non of the less.


A friend of mine who works in a large insurance company here in Ireland told me that his company are investigating the matter as potential fraud.

So if your not sure of it insure it!!!! hmm that sounds a bit corney like a late night Sky TV add......................Dj.

G00L

Hey I am just new to the whole remapping/chipping scene but I am thinking of getting it done. I am driving a New Seat Leon 1.4tsi. Current bhp is 125. I have been told it can get bumped up to 158bhp with a remap?

Only things I am not sure about is whether remapping is safe? Can it impact your car performance and longevity? Also, I am assuming that if I was to be a good boy I should notify my insurance co? Will it impact my car value on a resale also?

I know some of you guys here really know your stuff. Could you help me out with some of the answers to these questions?

Graham_B18C

G00L wrote: »

Hey I am just new to the whole remapping/chipping scene but I am thinking of getting it done. I am driving a New Seat Leon 1.4tsi. Current bhp is 125. I have been told it can get bumped up to 158bhp with a remap?

Only things I am not sure about is whether remapping is safe? Can it impact your car performance and longevity? Also, I am assuming that if I was to be a good boy I should notify my insurance co? Will it impact my car value on a resale also?

I know some of you guys here really know your stuff. Could you help me out with some of the answers to these questions?

There was a thread in the Motors forum a little while back and the guy was asking about modifing a 140bhp TSI Golf and the general concensus was to leave it because the engine is tuned quite highly as it is.

So i'd say you'll lose reliability if you map it to that power. I can only assume it'll void your warrenty also?

G00L

Grahamo999 wrote: »

There was a thread in the Motors forum a little while back and the guy was asking about modifing a 140bhp TSI Golf and the general concensus was to leave it because the engine is tuned quite highly as it is.

So i'd say you'll lose reliability if you map it to that power. I can only assume it'll void your warrenty also?

I dont know. I am new to the whole chipping thing so I have no idea. But if the concensus for the tsi golf was to leave it, I am guessing I will do the same with the Leon.

Graham_B18C

G00L wrote: »

I dont know. I am new to the whole chipping thing so I have no idea. But if the concensus for the tsi golf was to leave it, I am guessing I will do the same with the Leon.

You could probably get some more power safely out of it though because AFAIK the stock 140bhp has the same internals as the 120. You should make a thread in the regular motors forum, you'll get a few knowledgable replies there I'd say

coronaextra

Does anyone actually get a dyno printout before and after these "chips" are put in, to see the differance in performance?

Graham_B18C

coronaextra wrote: »

Does anyone actually get a dyno printout before and after these "chips" are put in, to see the differance in performance?

Most people do generally.

The person doing the map will generally do it on a Dyno to so they can get decent results

martydunf

Is there much point in remapping a 90bhp TDI (Mk4 Golf) without first upgrading injectors/turbo?

I think IIRC it will increase to about 110/115 bhp after a remap but I just cant see that small increase justifying the cost of €350 to get it done tbh

Anyone have any views on this?

zubair

@GOOL & martydunf: Some tuners do free trial remaps maybe you should look into this and then make your decision.

G00L wrote: »

I dont know. I am new to the whole chipping thing so I have no idea. But if the concensus for the tsi golf was to leave it, I am guessing I will do the same with the Leon.

I would go for it G00L, I don't know why anyone would decide it was a bad idea. You'll enjoy the full potential of your engine and you won't regret it once you've done it.

martydunf wrote: »

Is there much point in remapping a 90bhp TDI (Mk4 Golf) without first upgrading injectors/turbo?

I think IIRC it will increase to about 110/115 bhp after a remap but I just cant see that small increase justifying the cost of €350 to get it done tbh

Anyone have any views on this?

You won't need to make any other upgrades for a remap, maybe just get a performance panel filter but remaps were designed and tested for stock internals.

If you're looking for more power the biggest increase will be from a remap. Remember a remap is not just about more bhp; throttle response is 1 other noticable change. Gear changes can even feel smoother. Found these figures for your car:

bhp Standard 90, Remap 118
Torque Standard 155, Remap 185

+ 28 bhp thats almost 1/3 of your current hp and for 350 bucks. Money well spent imo!!!

coronaextra

zubair wrote: »

I would go for it G00L, I don't know why anyone would decide it was a bad idea. You'll enjoy the full potential of your engine and you won't regret it once you've done it.




You won't need to make any other upgrades for a remap, maybe just get a performance panel filter but remaps were designed and tested for stock internals.

If you're looking for more power the biggest increase will be from a remap. Remember a remap is not just about more bhp; throttle response is 1 other noticable change. Gear changes can even feel smoother. Found these figures for your car:

bhp Standard 90, Remap 118
Torque Standard 155, Remap 185

+ 28 bhp thats almost 1/3 of your current hp and for 350 bucks. Money well spent imo!!!

If them figures are correct, thats amazing value for money, very cheap upgrade

zubair

coronaextra wrote: »

If them figures are correct, thats amazing value for money, very cheap upgrade

I know, for a diesel it's awesome. Pulled the numbers from a popular vag tuner.

Also found some figures for the Seat Leon 1.4tsi 125bhp, don't know much about the guys who do this remap though.

bhp Standard 125, Remap 158
Torque Standard 200nm, Remap 270nm

coronaextra

God there are some nice figures there. The slime guzzlers are really closing the gap on the petrol engines these days + the better fuel economy!

martydunf

zubair wrote: »

You won't need to make any other upgrades for a remap, maybe just get a performance panel filter but remaps were designed and tested for stock internals.

If you're looking for more power the biggest increase will be from a remap. Remember a remap is not just about more bhp; throttle response is 1 other noticable change. Gear changes can even feel smoother. Found these figures for your car:

bhp Standard 90, Remap 118
Torque Standard 155, Remap 185

+ 28 bhp thats almost 1/3 of your current hp and for 350 bucks. Money well spent imo!!!

Thanks for the info zubair. I think Ill go for it its now just a matter of gathering the cash together to get it done

zubair

martydunf wrote: »

Thanks for the info zubair. I think Ill go for it its now just a matter of gathering the cash together to get it done

My pleasure

I'd recommend getting your next service before the remap just to make sure everything is running smoothely.

Keep in mind that your engine will be worked harder after a remap so avoid going past the suggested service times; early services would be even better.