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second year BESS
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03-04-2009 7:45pm#1
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armbruster wrote: »Can anyone tell me what second year is like?
What's economics in second year like? Does it include maths and stats?
What's the business like?
How many people do a joint hnours in business and economics?
Are they anymore 400 people lectures in the Ed Burke? I hate them.
What's the typical lecture size in second year?
Right.
Well firstly if you look through the BESS thread you will find a wealth of information but I'll reply anyway!
Second year is great, well I love it anyway. Looking back first year was more about starting college and all that goes with that and BESS was broad and a lot of people kinda float through it. It depends how you are finding it yourself.
I do Business and Politics in second year so I can tell you bout the Business side of things.
We do Management 1 which is made up of a) Organisational Behaviour (OB) and b) Marketing. OB is like a mixture of management, psychology and business. It picks up vaguely on a few things from first year but really it is it's own special thing. It is very interesting but hard when examined, we had a MCQ exam at Christmas which was weird and a lot of people didn't do well but I say by the time essay writing comes around in the summer exam we will have figured it out a bit more. After Christmas you will do Marketing which is great, it's very interesting and current and kinda brings out your creative etc side. You have to do a group project for that which takes up a lot of your time but is fun if you like that sort of thing and was marked fairly. Between the two we have I think 35% done so far with the summer exam counting for 65%.
Management 2 is Accouting, it's fine if you have done it before but some who haven't do struggle but with a bit of work it's very manageable and we certainly haven't gotten into the thick of accouting yet. Likewise people who did it before can get lazy and not do well. I say do the work every week and you'll be find. Plus the lecturer is the biggest legend ever!
You can also to Maths 'n' Stats with Business/Economics or the Social Research course. Maths and Stats is hard at times but generally ok and if you find it ok this year you will be fine as long as you keep on top of the weekly homeworks etc. In a survey we did the results showed that on average people who did higher level for the leaving do maths and stats and people who did pass do social research, of course this isn't true for everyone but it's generally the case. We have done a Stats assignment so far for 10%, weekly homeworks for 5% and we just had an exam there in maths for 15% so the summer exam is worth 70%.
Most people do Business/Economics in second year but don't let that put you off the other options which are great (not just saying that cos I do politics
). Also the majority of the people who do Bus/Econ do the Investments & Finance course as their 6th subject. We are filling out course choice forms for next year at the mo and I think maybe 2 out of every three people are going to stick with Bus/Econ for their degree.
The next most popular is just Business and then I think Bus/Pol.
If your into the Business/Econ side of things then definitely do the requirements for both in SF - 5 courses in total and then pick something your interested in for the 6th. This will leave you with the option at the end of SF of either doing just Business, just Economics or both.
Yeah coming from secondary school the 400+ of the Ed Burke is a bit mad.
The biggest class this year is Management 2 with like 250 people or something. Then Management 1 with like 240. Maths has about 200 etc. Smaller but still in the Ed Burke, althought it looks very empty at times. I think the Economics ones have about 200 in them.
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armbruster wrote: »Can anyone tell me what second year is like?
What's economics in second year like? Does it include maths and stats?
What's the business like?
How many people do a joint hnours in business and economics?
Are they anymore 400 people lectures in the Ed Burke? I hate them.
What's the typical lecture size in second year?
Hey this will be echoing a lot of what Randomness said. I'm doing business/economics this year.
On the economics side of things you obviously know you have to do 3 subjects, Intermediate Economics, Economy of Ireland and Maths and Stats.
Intermediate Economics is quite theory heavy, it does include some of the maths taught in JF though, so you use things like the Lagrange multiplier and some more differentiation, this is generally ok. The majority of the micro course is based on learning off theory based mostly on graphs. Macro is definitely more interesting I'd say, but I think most people this year find it tougher. There's a lot of what looks like maths in involved, but it's really just memorising formulas.
Economy of Ireland is definitely one of the more interesting courses of the year. The first half focuses on things like the History of the Irish Economy (not as boring as it sounds), the measurement and definition of Economic Growth, Rationale for Government in the Economy and Taxation. The lecturer for MT is a bit of a legend. After Christmas though things shift to focus on actual statistics relating to the Irish Economy, to be honest I've found the second half quite boring. Overall it's definitely a worthwhile course to do. The lecturers actually give you the questions for the xmas, easter and summer exams, I'm not sure if this makes them easier though because they expect a lot from the essays.
Maths and Stats then, Stats was ok-ish in the end. Definitely know your JF stuff if you're considering it, it's mostly a continuation of confidence intervals and hypothesis testing so know that stuff well. You also go into a lot of detail surrounding regression analysis which is tough to get your head around but actually kind of interesting in a weird way. There's an assignment you have to do in Stats, it's quite tough but it's not worth much of the final mark, it does kinda force you to get a handle on some of the more technical stuff so it's good in that sense. Maths is ok I think, the first few weeks covered differentiation and now we've moved on to matrices (but it's still linked to differentiation), it does get quite confusing at times but the tutorials are pretty good at explaining things most of the time.
I haven't really liked the Management 1 course this year. OB was good, it's a lot of theory and learning and even doing all that wont get you through the year as he wants a lot of your own interpretation and opinion. Marketing has made me semi-suicidal though. I'm finding it very difficult to descrbe what the course is actually about, basically you sit through double lectures every week while the lecturer goes on about what seems like really obvious marketing theory. The group project is crazy, the lecturer gave us the topic at the beginning of the course, then the week before the project was due she gave us this huge list of additional requirements and things she wanted to see, this was when most of us already had it done and were facing exams the following week. Also you have to buy a large and fairly useless and repetitive textbook. I did not like marketing at all.
Management 2 which is basically accounting was quite nice. I don't really like accounting personally but it's an ok course and having not done the subject for the leaving cert I found it easy enough to understand. It does take a decent bit of work though. Lecturer is a legend though as randomness said
I'm not sure on the exact numbers of who does what, but Business is definitely the most popular, the vast majority of SF are doing Business and X, there's a small amount doing Economics and Politics (I'd say no more than 15) and a tiny number doing Sociology and Politics (I think I've heard of 2)
Business and Economics seems to be the most popular, probably due to the the cross-over requirements for both. Followed by Business Politics which I think was unusually popular in our year. Business and Sociology has a decent amount of people too.0 -
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