Stone Roses -Second Coming

Can'tseeme

Been listening to it again recently. Always remeber it got slated when it first came out, expectations and all that. I've always found it any fantastic album. Good range of songs, etc.

Given that's it nearly 15 years since it's release, what are peoples opinions on it?

Placid_Casual

Well, considering it came out 5 years after their debut, i'd rate it as average, if not downright poor. The songs are over long and bloated. Compared to the tightness of the debut the band sound disjointed, like they're puling in different directions.
John Squire indulges himself far too much - can't think of any instances of that on the first album, except perhaps I Am The Resurrection - which is great anyway. Its also incredible how much Ian Brown's voice went downhill in 5 years.
I do like Driving South, Begging You, Love Spreads and Ten Storey Love Song. The rest is pretty forgettable.

Actually, its probably the most disappointing album I can think of along with Be Here Now.

whatawaster

it is one of the most dissappointing albums i've ever heard, but that's purely expectation after their first (one of the very best ever imo). At least half of Second coming is pure gold.

That's what expectation can do to people's perception of an album. I mean, "let it be" was considered dissappointing. This is an album with Get back, Let it be, Long and Winding road and across the universe on it.

I always thought it brilliant..squire was some guitarist with enough coke in him..

ArmCandyBaby

I'm a big fan of it too and I'd say I listened to it more times than the first one tbh. Granted there is some weak moments but the likes of "10 Story Love Song" and "Love Spreads" stands up against anything else they did. Still though, the 4/5 that I'd give it doesn't compare well with the 7/5 I'd give the debut.

Bren Jacob

Pains me to say it as their debut is a classic but Second Coming never really did anything for me.
The one track they really did it for me was Ten Story Love Song but other than that, dissapointing Im afraid.

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JerryHandbag

On the sticker on the front of Kasabians first album it says "This album is how the Stone Roses Second Coming SHOULD have sounded".

Not so sure about that, methinks I'd take the Second Coming if I had to choose.

Can'tseeme

For me the only song I'd not listen to on the album is 'How Do You Sleep'. Everything else I think is excellent. Different from the debut but as I said it has a great range of stuff and most importantly the songs are great. The introdution to Breaking into Heaven is far too long though.

ShawnRaven

Awful album given what they were capable as a unit. That said, they were splintering away by the time the album was finished so anyone who was expecting a masterpiece set themselves up for a giant fall really.

Bubs101

Placid_Casual wrote: »

Actually, its probably the most disappointing album I can think of along with Be Here Now.

neither of them are bad albums, both bands just set the bar far far too high

Bren Jacob

Can see where Kasabian's expensive PR folk are coming from.
Not that Kasabian's debut was a patch on The Stone Roses but its hard to imagen that Kasabian and their producer (the same guy that produced the Artic Monkeys debut I think?) werent heavily influenced by The Stone Roses sound.

JerryHandbag wrote: »

On the sticker on the front of Kasabians first album it says "This album is how the Stone Roses Second Coming SHOULD have sounded".

Not so sure about that, methinks I'd take the Second Coming if I had to choose.

Zamboni

Great album.
Tears is an epic tune.

funktastic

Best tracks - 'Breaking Into Heaven' great intro
'Daybreak' - even if its only a jam - and especially for Reni's gorgeous fill in the middle.
'Love Spreads'


The rest is filler to be honest.

copacetic

It wasn't what it could have been and was a let down compared to what had gone before but it was/is still head and shoulders above nearly everything else.

bridge

one great track.what was it again

tony1kenobi

Deleted User wrote: »

I always thought it brilliant..squire was some guitarist with enough coke in him..

Seahorses of course was a guitarist with too much coke in him.

I think Second Coming is a great album and definitely in the top 2 Stone Roses albums ever.

D-FENS

It's a great album, which was never going to live up to the debut anyway. Their hiatus certainly built it up too much and it has a lot of over production on it, but when broken down most of the songs are still great tunes and Love Spreads is f*ckin class.Intro to Breaking into Heaven is far too long though

ShawnRaven

copacetic wrote: »

It wasn't what it could have been and was a let down compared to what had gone before but it was/is still head and shoulders above nearly everything else.

Ian Brown's solo stuff and The Seahorses?
That wouldn't be difficult in all fairness.

Executive Steve

Placid_Casual wrote: »

Well, considering it came out 5 years after their debut, i'd rate it as average, if not downright poor. The songs are over long and bloated. Compared to the tightness of the debut the band sound disjointed, like they're puling in different directions.
John Squire indulges himself far too much - can't think of any instances of that on the first album, except perhaps I Am The Resurrection - which is great anyway. Its also incredible how much Ian Brown's voice went downhill in 5 years.
I do like Driving South, Begging You, Love Spreads and Ten Storey Love Song. The rest is pretty forgettable.

Actually, its probably the most disappointing album I can think of along with Be Here Now.

fully agree, except i felt more vindicated than diappointed by "be here now"

Bubs101

Dunno what you lads are on about, Be here now is class

Xavi6

Bubs101 wrote: »

Dunno what you lads are on about, Be here now is class

+1 (except for 'Magic Pie' which is downright horrendous)

An 8 out of 10 album.


'Second Coming' is decent, but not great. 5 out of 10.

Pighead

Ah c'mon Xavi and Bubs. It's average at best. 8 out of 10? You must be joking. Even the band thought it was pants. None of the tracks on the album made it on to their best of last year.

Bubs101

Pighead wrote: »

. None of the tracks on the album made it on to their best of last year.

That's why it wasn't worth buying. Stand By Me, All Around the World, I hope I think i know and do you know what I mean should have been guarantees. It's become fashionable to hate it but it's a great album

Xavi6

Pighead wrote: »

Ah c'mon Xavi and Bubs. It's average at best. 8 out of 10? You must be joking. Even the band thought it was pants. None of the tracks on the album made it on to their best of last year.

I wouldn't see that as being anything to go by. Sure how many bands put new songs on their 'Best Of'? I could probably name a fair few off the top of my head (U2, The Offspring, etc). 'Best Of' albums are purely for getting a band back into the spotlight and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Sure 'Whatever' didn't even make the tracklist FFS.

Pighead

Xavi6 wrote: »

I wouldn't see that as being anything to go by. Sure how many bands put new songs on their 'Best Of'? I could probably name a fair few off the top of my head (U2, The Offspring, etc). 'Best Of' albums are purely for getting a band back into the spotlight and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Sure 'Whatever' didn't even make the tracklist FFS.

It's a theory alright.

Although I'd prefer to go with the the whole, the band are slightly embarrassed by the whole album and would prefer to relegate all mention of it to history. Most of the songs on that album are way too long. The sound of too much cocaine!

Can'tseeme

'Do you Know what I mean' is a crackin' tune on Be Here Now. That's about it for that album.

allybhoy

Pighead wrote: »

The sound of too much cocaine!

Or not enough.....;)

loveissucide

Second Coming=collossal disappointment seeing as the first is as close to perfection as we have any right to expect.Mind you,they were setting themselves up for a fall-Fool's Gold is an amazing bassline supporting a lyrically vapid composition and One Love is tepid.They were swallowed up by their own self-created hype.

97i9y3941

brillant album,it was slated when it first came out,some people think its due to stones not giving the media an interview first before the album release,instead giving their exclusive interview to the big issue magazine at the time in 1994,otherwise i think its a great album,there is 2 tracks on the b-side of love spreads that wasnt included in the album itself even tho songs was recorded around same time of album

ball ox

did'nt like it at all. I reckon they did themselves a favour splitting up tbh, if they kept going in that direction they would have become kasabian. And thats just not good for anybody.

DerekD Goldfish

Listined to it about a month ago
far worse than I remember it
terrible stuff

if they kept going in that direction they would have become kasabian. And thats just not good for anybody.

the world needs Kasabian like it needs the aids epidemic

monellia

It's not a patch on their eponymous debut but I don't think it's a bad effort. I'd say if they'd given more time to it there'd be less bluesy jams and more substantial tracks like Ten Storey Love Song and Love Spreads, which are actually among my fave Rose songs. I always got the feel it's much less an "album" than a series of leftover tracks, if ya get me.

nyarlothothep

I liked it, I think people slated it because it was completely different in style to the first album but that was one of the plus points for me as it showed that they weren't trapped by their sound.

mewso

Ha I remember that 5 year vacuum very well.

NME & Melody Maker scrambling for anything to write about them - there was one interview where Squire went on about how he had gotten big into Led Zep while working on the second album which had a few alarm bells going off in my head (nothing wrong with Led Zep but not my idea of the Roses).

The Silvertone hate - oh how the fans and the media loved to hate those guys especially as they issued collections of rare songs to milk the band for all they could and we begrudgingly bought them while hating them even more.

Finally The Second Coming itself - strangely I don't remember the reviews being that bad. There was slight criticism tempered with the inevitable hype and anticipation that might have judged it harshly. I liked the album (obviously not as much as the debut) but it was bittersweet in a way. While it was decent it was also absolute confirmation that they were no longer what they were and probably never would be again. I think Squire ruined it tbh, the influence of Led Zep paying off in some songs but ruining others and when they went their separate ways to me he proved he had lost it with the god awful Seahorses. Hes quite a good painter now.

97i9y3941

there is a to be an excellent collectors edition of their first album to be released in august,im gonna get it myself,although slighty fear that the customs will impound it due to its value,the info is taken from amazon uk site

In August 2009, marking the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the release of the legendary eponymous debut album by The Stone Roses, Sony Music release the definitive super deluxe limited edition collectors boxset. Originally released in May 1989, The Stone Roses is often cited as THE greatest album of all time. This release is homage to this landmark British rock album on which every track has become an iconic classic - "I Wanna be Adored", "She Bangs The Drums", "Made Of Stone", "I Am The Resurrection"… Original producer John Leckie has returned to the studio for the first time in 20 years with Ian Brown to produce a re-mastered version of the album for the very first time.
The Collectors Editon is 3CD/3LP/DVD/ 2GB USB/ 1 book /6 art prints
A super deluxe 12” album folder, slipcased with embossing and gold foil, wrapped in classic John Squire artwork throughout.
Boxset includes the re-mastered album, re-mastered Extras (including all AA’s and B Sides) PLUS album of LOST DEMOS (including one previously unheard track!)
• 180 gsm heavyweight vinyl’s
• Lemon shaped USB containing all audio, promo videos, ringtones, wallpapers, previously unseen John Leckie home video footage of the recording of Fools Gold and five previously unheard ‘Backwards’ tracks! • 48-page bound book, crammed full of unseen photos and brand new notes from the band, John Leckie, those involved 20 years ago and high profile fans of the album telling their stories of it, including Noel Gallagher, Mark Ronson, Tim Burgess, Bobby Gillespie and many, many more
• 6 x 12” John Squire single art prints of "I Wanna Be Adored", "She Bangs The Drums", "Elephant Stone", "Fools Gold", "I am The Resurrection" & "Made Of Stone"

Quint

Second Coming is the most under rated album of all time.

97i9y3941

so true,it is a brillant album!