Digging up the past......ministers

rokz

lets get a poll going........what minister has cost us the most with the blunders of the past.I believe history will determine the future. Will they learn by there mistakes..?.and who will top the list..?

portomar

rokz wrote: »

lets get a poll going........what minister has cost us the most with the blunders of the past.I believe history will determine the future. Will they learn by there mistakes..?.and who will top the list..?

bertie, cowen, lenihan. the former two for sure the worst, bertie as taoiseach, not finance, cowen as finance, lesser as taoiseach, lenihan as finance.. squandered the boom, spent every cent made off stamp duty during the housing boom on hiring new civil servants. not to even mention the tax paid by 200,000 people in construction who weren't going to be there forever. idiots. now we're running a 9% deficit.

deadhead13

Agreed, Ahern and Cowen win hands down.

But lets not forget....

Ray Burke - Shell Oil & the Corrib gas field
Padraig Flynn - M50 tool bridge
Martin Cullen - E-voting machines
Tim O'Malley - PPARS.

zootroid

Bertie and Cowen without a shadow of a doubt. I remember back in December 07, Cowen was delivering his budget, and in his speech he was banging on about how the budget was prudent and economically sustainable. Bertie choosing to ignore warnings, going on about people talking down the economy, and a remark about suicide. (As you can guess, these are all from memory, so not the most accurate).

The fact that they were saying things like this shows that they weren't ignorant to the warnings, but chose to ignore them. They can't ever say they were caught unaware, but were deluded in thinking a construction boom could continue indefinitely, and therefore incompetent.

rokz

so now we have cost and corruption, any links would be appreciated.

rokz

deadhead13 wrote: »

Agreed, Ahern and Cowen win hands down.

But lets not forget....

Ray Burke - Shell Oil & the Corrib gas field
Padraig Flynn - M50 tool bridge
Martin Cullen - E-voting machines
Tim O'Malley - PPARS.

Re : oil fields and gas .... licences were awarded by Noel Dempsey to the likes of Statoil, Island Oil & Gas, Lundin Exploration, Sericea Energy(UK) and Shell E&P Ireland.



with regards to e voting i believe Mr Dempsey was more to blame
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/evoting-the--story-so-far-1166262.html

SeaFields

Bertie Ahern - for building up a false economy based in the property market which at this stage looks like it could result in us going bankrupt. History will indeed judge if we ever get out of this mess.

deadhead13

rokz wrote: »

Re : oil fields and gas .... licences were awarded by Noel Dempsey to the likes of Statoil, Island Oil & Gas, Lundin Exploration, Sericea Energy(UK) and Shell E&P Ireland.



with regards to e voting i believe Mr Dempsey was more to blame
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/evoting-the--story-so-far-1166262.html

Why the big bold font? Ray Burke as Minster for Energy made the deal. If you maintain Dempsey is more culpable than Cullen because he was the one who initiated the e-voting fiasco, then it follows Burke is more to blame in the Corrib gas field case.

NewDubliner

Charlie MCCreevey - decentralisation & moving the department of Finance to Offaly.

JonathanAnon

I think Martin Cullen has probably made the clearest errors, the ones that can be without doubt placed squarely at his door.

Bertie and Cowen can blame the external economic circumstances, well they will try to hide behind it anyway..

Bertie leadership is akin to Captain Smith's captaincy of the Titanic. He was in charge of a luxury liner, and put it at the bottom of the ocean through negligence and pandering to the rich. But Bertie didnt go down with the ship, he stepped off the ship before any accountability was being thrown around.

Driseog

Mártín Cullen is the first to roll off the lips.
McSharry the abomination, of course.
Bertrude Ahern.
The sacreligious minister responsible for getting the ball rolling on the motor-way (the one before the Green fella) through possibly our most important heritage site...Tara. You can't measure that cost.
Brian Cowen as finance minister.

Corruption is definetely a cost because it has set an example to the people of the country that if ya bend the rules its ok and thats going to be instilled in us for generations.

In fairness to McCreevey he was the only one wearing a thinking cap, wouldn't agree with all his decsions but he made some shrewd moves.

P. Breathnach

Driseog wrote: »

... In fairness to McCreevey he was the only one wearing a thinking cap, wouldn't agree with all his decsions but he made some shrewd moves.

Like what?

silverharp

More on the "B" list of saboteurs but Mary O'Rourke , for building the Luas in a half assed manner, not to mention the amateur privatisation of Eircom

NewDubliner

Ivor Callally - former minister for invisible cycle tracks.

rokz

sorry jst copied and pasted,saved, and realized made a bollox...Re: dempsey ect...not allways a single person to blame.....!,But when they get together they can really ****up.

deadhead13

rokz wrote: »

sorry jst copied and pasted,saved, and realized made a bollox...Re: dempsey ect...not allways a single person to blame.....!,But when they get together they can really ****up.

No problem. You have a point, there is more than than one person to blame in each incident.

conlonbmw

Haughey for dictating what was acceptable in Ireland from 1970's onwards. He should have been shot and ALL his family's assets seized.

Ahern. Life in jail or execution, this would send a message out to the others.

McCreevy for magically getting planning permission when the previous owner of said land for 20 years couldn't get it, while telling people a 3 bed house was all you needed (he was building a 3,000 sq ft 6 bed mansion at the time)

Stagg for portraying himself as a family guy while visiting phoenix park with young boys, you can only be one or the other.

old boy

haughey, aherne cowen, burke lawlor cullen o rourke lenihen as my mother used to say they should be all shot with their own schit to make sure that they would be dead and dirty.

DrumSteve

i'd definitely like to see cullen gone. whoever that guy was who messed with that door on the helicopter was... he should be given a medal.

r0nanf

Harney. Her "vision" for the health service has us now spending the second highest per capita amount in the OECD on health, with billions poured into a black hole of bureaucracy with no visible results. She re-appeared yesterday after being noticeably quiet for a few weeks to announce the formation of another group/committee to examine how to get the best value with their spending. She could be done with incitement of hatred everytime she appears in public.