disgruntled new owner

biggybum

Hi all, looking for a bit of advice here if possible ? I sold a car from a reputable website for €300 to a guy during the weekend. I had been driving the car for the last six months with no issues, really just used it as an a-b car for work etc as i have a newer one. Anyway the guy came and viewed the car Saturday, drove it had a 10min look around it and handed me the €300. I then get a phone call approx an hour and a half later to say the car had broken down, he insisted i get into my car and drive an hour and half to fix it for him !! to which i replyed no and advised him to get to a garage near by. He became very aggressive and threatened that he would return later that evening with a group of his buddies to get his money back ! I felt mildly sorry for the guy as i would not like it to happen to me but at the end of the day he bought a car for just 300 and expected me to refund him ?? I have sent the logbook off already in his name so thats non reversable... After receiving his threat i then went to the guardai, they were as helpful as they possibly could be but at the same time really did'nt want to get involved as it was a legal matter. I have since been plagued with texts and demands for money back.... What should i do ??

Henry Ford III

Ignore them, but keep them in case you need to take legal action.

Johnboy Mac

biggybum wrote: »

Hi all, looking for a bit of advice here if possible ? I sold a car from a reputable website for €300 to a guy during the weekend. I had been driving the car for the last six months with no issues, really just used it as an a-b car for work etc as i have a newer one. Anyway the guy came and viewed the car Saturday, drove it had a 10min look around it and handed me the €300. I then get a phone call approx an hour and a half later to say the car had broken down, he insisted i get into my car and drive an hour and half to fix it for him !! to which i replyed no and advised him to get to a garage near by. He became very aggressive and threatened that he would return later that evening with a group of his buddies to get his money back ! I felt mildly sorry for the guy as i would not like it to happen to me but at the end of the day he bought a car for just 300 and expected me to refund him ?? I have sent the logbook off already in his name so thats non reversable... After receiving his threat i then went to the guardai, they were as helpful as they possibly could be but at the same time really did'nt want to get involved as it was a legal matter. I have since been plagued with texts and demands for money back.... What should i do ??

Ignore him.

jonathan11

can't really give you any advise on what to do. However, expecting a come back after spending €300 on the car is a bit ridiculous.

rebel.ranter

€300! And he is getting excited!!
I paid €280 for a pair of rear tyres last week, what does he expect....

pcardin

Ignore him and his text messages. Don't ask him anything, don't say anything to him and don't talk with him. Keep the messages and report his name to Garda.

Dublinstiofán

Depends on what type of a person you are.

If your a strong type of personality who doesn't like to be bullied into doing anything. Keep the money that is rightfully yours.

If your a shy character you could tell them that provided they take the car back to you the same order in which it left in with receipts showing it has been to a garage and the problem solved you would give them the money back.

Its a personal thing. I wouldn't like to give in to intimidation but in this case i would say it would just be easier to give the few quid back and sell the car off to somebody else. Its only €300 bloody quid afterall

Might save a lot of hardship in the future. I know if anything were to happen you would have the gards on your side but do you realistically want to have to deal with the hassle if they showed up demanding money or destroyed your car or property for not submitting?

Personally i'd tell him if he is unhappy to talk to his solicitor, you will never hear from him again. A bloody solicitor would cost more than the car did.

Saab Ed

Its 300 quid. Its true what they say , the less they spend the more they want... Pi** off is what Id be telling him.

biggybum

as far as i'm concerned i'm well within my rights not give them back a penny the car was sold as seen and that was stated to them. €300 i know is quite a lot of money but surely its up to the individual to inspect a car or any item before purchasing, its just turned into a major head ache at the mo. If i take the car back its broke and its in there name!!

-Chris-

You sold the car as a private punter, you offered no warranty, he had ample opportunity to inspect the car. It's not even vaguely, remotely your problem.

Don't enter into correspondence with him in any way, don't show any kind of flexibility or he'll see it as a chink in your resolve.

You have his name and address, you've reported the details to the Gardai, you have a record of his threatening texts.
The only conversation I'd be prepared to have with him would involve me reminding him of these facts, and nothing else.

You're completely in the right.

Gumbo

There is however an implied condition under s13 Sale of Goods Supply of Services Act 1980 that the sale of a car (whether privately or otherwise), that at the time of delivery, it is free from any defect which renders it a danger to you or others.

just got this from a similar post over on AAM.

Henry Ford III

kceire wrote: »

"There is however an implied condition under s13 Sale of Goods Supply of Services Act 1980 that the sale of a car (whether privately or otherwise), that at the time of delivery, it is free from any defect which renders it a danger to you or others."

just got this from a similar post over on AAM.

I've seen that before. It's rubbish imho.

If the car was running fine when he sold it, that's the end of the issue.

robtri

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I've seen that before. It's rubbish imho.

If the car was running fine when he sold it, that's the end of the issue.

agreed its rubbish, look at auctions, car sold as seen, if it breaks down as you are pulling out of the gates, thats tough ...

Gumbo

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I've seen that before. It's rubbish imho.

If the car was running fine when he sold it, that's the end of the issue.

completly agree, just wanted to point it out just incase it had any substance.

jor el

Did the guy collect the car from your home? I'd be a bit worried that a guy this aggressive on the phone knows where I live. You don't have to entertain his BS, but that won't stop the texts and calls. If you're not that bothered about your phone number, then change it.

Since you have his number too, you could post it to various dating websites, bondage sections would be good, and let the deluge begin.

biggybum

jor el wrote: »

Did the guy collect the car from your home? I'd be a bit worried that a guy this aggressive on the phone knows where I live. You don't have to entertain his BS, but that won't stop the texts and calls. If you're not that bothered about your phone number, then change it.

Since you have his number too, you could post it to various dating websites, bondage sections would be good, and let the deluge begin.

Very good lol...... but think i'll give that one a miss, i'll just leave the dogs loose on him instead

Yes he picked it up from the house as my insurance had expired.

PauloMN

biggybum wrote: »

After receiving his threat i then went to the guardai, they were as helpful as they possibly could be but at the same time really did'nt want to get involved as it was a legal matter. I have since been plagued with texts and demands for money back.... What should i do ??

The Gardaí didn't want to get involved? The sale of the car is a legal matter, and as posted above you do not have to do anything else. Private car sale is sold as seen, so it's his problem now. I'm stunned at the reaction of the Gardaí though - the threat from the guy should be treated properly by them and they should be having a word with him about it at least.

biggybum

i could prob start a new thread on the guardai but wont, i'm finding lately they really dont have time to be sorting out disputes or interest, in fairness he asked me to keep in contact with him re the phonecalls etc i should have pointed that out in my first post.He did start laughing when i mentioned the car was sold for only €300 so i imagine he thought it was quite rediculous

PauloMN

biggybum wrote: »

i could prob start a new thread on the guardai but wont, i'm finding lately they really dont have time to be sorting out disputes or interest, in fairness he asked me to keep in contact with him re the phonecalls etc i should have pointed that out in my first post.

Fair enough, and I would keep a note of any calls or texts from the guy to show the Gardaí if he persists. I can understand that they can't get involved in a dispute about a used car that breaks down an hour after being sold - that is nothing to do with them, but threats is a completely different matter.

It is unreal though that the guy even has the nerve to call you back about a €300 motor, let alone threaten you. I'd have found it difficult to take him seriously. Did you find out what went wrong with the car?

unkel

PauloMN wrote: »

The Gardaí didn't want to get involved? The sale of the car is a legal matter, and as posted above you do not have to do anything else. Private car sale is sold as seen, so it's his problem now. I'm stunned at the reaction of the Gardaí though - the threat from the guy should be treated properly by them and they should be having a word with him about it at least.

The sale of a car is a legal matter. But is a matter of civil law, not criminal law. Gardai don't get involved in the former.

As to why the Garda didn't follow up on the threat (a criminal matter), probably he/she didn't consider it real enough (I'd wager that the vast majority of threats never materialise into violence)

At least the Gardai were involved so if something happens to the OP, the Gardai will know who dunnit

The only other thing that I would do, if I were the OP, is to send the buyer a text, stating that the Gardai have been informed of the threat

biggybum

the buyer is aware that the guardai know about it, did'nt really seem to be put out by it tho... his exact reply being ''its not the first time i've been involved with them'' so that kinda summed it up for me. Its quite incredible how quick people turn on you when something goes wrong !! I thought he was an absoulute gentleman to deal with before he broke down. It seems the clutch master cylinder went ?? so he says

Delta Kilo

biggybum wrote: »

It seems the clutch master cylinder went ?? so he says

Pffft. On a €300 motor. I'd seriously doubt that it has a hydraulic clutch...just a cable job i reckon. It was probably him revving the ****e out of it down the road that done the clutch on it.

Anan1

Delta Kilo wrote: »

Pffft. On a €300 motor. I'd seriously doubt that it has a hydraulic clutch...just a cable job i reckon. It was probably him revving the ****e out of it down the road that done the clutch on it.

Wild guesses to the rescue!!

Barr

If he doesen't know where you leave just ignore him - tell him as far as your concerned the car is sold as seen . What does he want a fecken warranty !

ArphaRima

No way in hell I'd give him a penny. Regardless of the state of the car. Caveat Emptor(sp?) and all that!

He threatened violence. Make a FORMAL complaint to the Gardai on that matter alone.
Tell him you've done that.
Do not reply to anything at all, ever, from him.

Change his ringtone to silent in your phone. So it makes no noise. Contact your telephone company about having him blocked. Tell them you were in touch with the Gardai.
F*ck him. He's relying on you giving into abuse and threats. Never give in.

L1011

Caveat emptor, if he mentions 'the lads' coming over again mention the guards. Its 300 quid; I've spent that in a weekend in town before...

old boy

it is case of cavet emperor, when a car is bought privately the buyer pays on the understanding that they are happy with the goods, he has not a leg to stand on,

leeroybrown

Unfortunately some people are just wánkers to deal with about anything. Just keep the money and ignore him.