Sideline 'Referees'

Grudaire

Does anyone find that there are far too many people on the sideline who 'know' all the rules? You know the people who are so 100% sure of a rule that they would convince you that they're right, even though they're not. They even can be referee's themselves, that tends not to increase knowledge enough.

Today I heard someone profess with utter certainty that, as a referee, he knew there was no 'foot block' rule when the ball is on the ground.

Please cast your eyes to Rule 5.18:
To prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent
from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by
striking an opponent’s hand, arm, foot or leg
with the boot.

For anyone else like this please read this, and any more rules that are widely believed?

LeoB

Yeah cant agree more, these clowns are everywhere and they can cause trouble with their depth of knowledge.

However I am just back from a Senior match and I have to say I have seen terrible performances from Referees but nothing like what I saw tonight. To be fair my club lost, we didnt deserve to be within an ass's roar, the better team won end of storey. But sometimes incompetent ref's only annoy people on sidelines and this gives the "experts" the licence to spout out all sorts of rubbish.
My club like most in Dublin have them and this can cause problems for lads on the pitch doing their best but the ref is taking so much guff he turns against the players.

Think it calls for another thread.

Grudaire

Sure one guy I was talking to thought that there was a limit of two hops for an under 14's match....

Madness!

LeoB

Is part of this stuff down to the fact an awful lot of players seem to just walk away from the game when they finish up playing?

One of the problems is a lot of people involved with juvenile teams now are interested parents who have no background in the game. They do their best and we would be lost without them. But they are there because no one else will do it.

About 2 years ago a mentor of a juvenile team called for offside,:):):):pac: in farness he was a parent left in charge of a team and he and his wife kept the team going for the rest of the year and done a good job.
No he was not from my club

eoin99

LeoB wrote: »

Is part of this stuff down to the fact an awful lot of players seem to just walk away from the game when they finish up playing?

One of the problems is a lot of people involved with juvenile teams now are interested parents who have no background in the game. They do their best and we would be lost without them. But they are there because no one else will do it.

About 2 years ago a mentor of a juvenile team called for offside,:):):):pac: in farness he was a parent left in charge of a team and he and his wife kept the team going for the rest of the year and done a good job.
No he was not from my club

Offside!! Frickin hilarious:D:D

I presume someone had a quiet word in his ear afterwards...

blackbelt

Cliste wrote: »

Does anyone find that there are far too many people on the sideline who 'know' all the rules? You know the people who are so 100% sure of a rule that they would convince you that they're right, even though they're not. They even can be referee's themselves, that tends not to increase knowledge enough.

Today I heard someone profess with utter certainty that, as a referee, he knew there was no 'foot block' rule when the ball is on the ground.

Please cast your eyes to Rule 5.18:
To prevent or attempt to prevent an opponent
from lifting or kicking the ball off the ground by
striking an opponent’s hand, arm, foot or leg
with the boot.

For anyone else like this please read this, and any more rules that are widely believed?

Unfortunately the footblock rule doesn't seem to exist to some referees and I was hopping mad to see a man who I think is the best senior referee in the country let it go yesterday with no apprehension or anything which really surprised me by the way.

A lot of players will go to kick the ball if they think they can't get to it under pressure or if it is more advantageous to kick it to another player.I see this occur more often than not at adult junior level.I got assessed the other week and one of the commendments was the punishing of the footblock offense and consistency in playing advantage to both teams.The yellow card just has to be used in these cases but referees at intercounty don't want to issue them because of the new rules.The thing is,the footblock rule comes into play once an opposition player bends and reaches with his hands to pick the ball up from the ground.The rule is there for safety reasons.

I am a referee who will criticise and scrutinise a referee even if he is a senior intercounty ref but in reality I learn more from them than what I criticise them for.Emotions just run too high when your county is involved and the fan side of you never goes away.

I've been lucky not to have been near "sideline officials" who think they know it all but I have been at certain matches in Croke Park and Parnell Park particularly where there is an old woman who constantly bashes and badmouths the referee without cursing.Some people might know of her but she is gas funny.:D She usually stations herself at the half way line in the terrace.

Grudaire

blackbelt wrote: »

The thing is,the footblock rule comes into play once an opposition player bends and reaches with his hands to pick the ball up from the ground.The rule is there for safety reasons.

There's a whole load of rules that most don't seem to know. I think the article that have in the programme (generally any run by central council) on 'referee matters' was great. It covered one or two rules each time, and should help the ignorance!

blackbelt wrote: »

I am a referee who will criticise and scrutinise a referee even if he is a senior intercounty ref but in reality I learn more from them than what I criticise them for.Emotions just run too high when your county is involved and the fan side of you never goes away.

Sure I could have killed Pat McEnany last weekend! And that was one of his better games!

blackbelt wrote: »

I've been lucky not to have been near "sideline officials" who think they know it all but I have been at certain matches in Croke Park and Parnell Park particularly where there is an old woman who constantly bashes and badmouths the referee without cursing.Some people might know of her but she is gas funny.:D She usually stations herself at the half way line in the terrace.

I'm surprised that you haven't experienced this as a referee (You clearly don't referee underage games!) Best one I heard was 'Pickup' - I had to reply saying that he's the keeper (my voice was far far too condescending though)

blackbelt

Cliste wrote: »

There's a whole load of rules that most don't seem to know. I think the article that have in the programme (generally any run by central council) on 'referee matters' was great. It covered one or two rules each time, and should help the ignorance!



Sure I could have killed Pat McEnany last weekend! And that was one of his better games!



I'm surprised that you haven't experienced this as a referee (You clearly don't referee underage games!) Best one I heard was 'Pickup' - I had to reply saying that he's the keeper (my voice was far far too condescending though)

Lol you are right.I referee adult level and minor.The scrappiness just exists in the lower leagues of adult junior football.Most of the time in minor level,you have lads that have played the game for years since childhood and play the game very well but I have not come across sideline referees at intercounty or senior club games.

Adult junior somtimes you get mentors who think they know everything and will try to tell you the rules from the sideline.One time a player got pushed after kicking the ball and the mentor screamed at me.I was merely waiting for the ball to drop to place the free.When I gave him the Collina look after I blew for the free,he didn't open his mouth for the rest of the game.:D That was one for the archives.:)

rebel girl 15

I think refs can shut those people up pretty quickly with looks like that. The footblock one is one that I am sick to death of seeing.