Wrong Weight Devision?

ShaunD

It seems to me that a few of our boxers are fighting at the wrong weight.

Bernard Dunne is a natural featherweight in my eyes.

John Duddy would be a real force at light middleweight

Andy Lee, I'm not sure about him, but after the hard time he had with Vera and Sipos, it looks like middleweight is not working for him. Some of these guys he is fighting look so much more solid at the weight than Lee.

So who should move up, who should move down, and who should stay put?

T-K-O

ShaunD wrote: »

It seems to me that a few of our boxers are fighting at the wrong weight.

Bernard Dunne is a natural featherweight in my eyes.

John Duddy would be a real force at light middleweight

Andy Lee, I'm not sure about him, but after the hard time he had with Vera and Sipos, it looks like middleweight is not working for him. Some of these guys he is fighting look so much more solid at the weight than Lee.

So who should move up, who should move down, and who should stay put?

Duddy to light middle.
Dunne could have fought at feather weight but he is after making the breakthrough now at bantam.
Lee can't move down and is not big enough for super middle.

ShaunD

T-K-O wrote: »

Duddy to light middle.
Dunne could have fought at feather weight but he is after making the breakthrough now at bantam.
Lee can't move down and is not big enough for super middle.

Would Dunne not do well to make a move to featherweight after a defense or two and try for another belt in an easier devision?
He has at best 3 years left I would say, trying to maintain super bantamweight for that long will be difficult for him.

sligobhoy67

ShaunD wrote: »

Would Dunne not do well to make a move to featherweight after a defense or two and try for another belt in an easier devision?
He has at best 3 years left I would say, trying to maintain super bantamweight for that long will be difficult for him.

Shouldnt Dunne be tryin ta stay away from puncher instead of moving up to bigger guys? or do you reckon that if BD was carryin the extra bit of weight he would be stronger and better equipt to take shots?

T-K-O

ShaunD wrote: »

Would Dunne not do well to make a move to featherweight after a defense or two and try for another belt in an easier devision?
He has at best 3 years left I would say, trying to maintain super bantamweight for that long will be difficult for him.

Well obviously the guys at feather are bigger but there is no Vazqeuz or Marquez at feather weight.

Dunne should stay put right now but I can see a move in the near future

ShaunD

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Shouldnt Dunne be tryin ta stay away from puncher instead of moving up to bigger guys? or do you reckon that if BD was carryin the extra bit of weight he would be stronger and better equipt to take shots?

I think his punch resistance would improve at featherweight and his power too.
Mike McGurn said in an interview the other day that he has just tapped into 30% of what Dunne is capable of. If he had that bit of leeway with the extra few pounds, who knows what he could achieve.
There is also the fact that featherweight is not as deep a devision as super bantam, there is danger everywhere he turns at 122.

sligobhoy67

ShaunD wrote: »

I think his punch resistance would improve at featherweight and his power too.
Mike McGurn said in an interview the other day that he has just tapped into 30% of what Dunne is capable of. If he had that bit of leeway with the extra few pounds, who knows what he could achieve.
There is also the fact that featherweight is not as deep a devision as super bantam, there is danger everywhere he turns at 122.

Gamboa, Juarez, John!!!

T-K-O

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Gamboa, Juarez, John!!!

Gamboa looks good but still some what an unknown. Jaurez fails every time.

John is a great boxer but he doesn't have the bombs Vazquez has and IMO would be an easier fight than Vazquez.

ShaunD

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Gamboa, Juarez, John!!!

OK maybe he should stay away from those guys, especially Gamboa! There are still more beatable guys at featherweight than super bantamweight. Cristobel Cruz and Steven Luevano for instance.

sligobhoy67

ShaunD wrote: »

OK maybe he should stay away from those guys, especially Gamboa! There are still more beatable guys at featherweight than super bantamweight. Cristobel Cruz and Steven Luevano for instance.

I agree its not as strong but the point I was making is that there are plenty up there with brickfists aswell.

cowzerp

ideally he'd succesfully defend the bantam weight title a few times then move up to feather to give it a go, i believe his punch resistance would improve aswell as his stamina too, both are linked as far as dunne is concerned.

Feather weight is definetly an easier division too.

Daroxtar

T-K-O wrote: »

Duddy to light middle.
Dunne could have fought at feather weight but he is after making the breakthrough now at bantam.
Lee can't move down and is not big enough for super middle.

He's 6'3"-same as most cruiserweights and even a good many heavyweights. Surely he could spend a bit of time in the gym and bulk up a bit.

cowzerp

Daroxtar wrote: »

He's 6'3"-same as most cruiserweights and even a good many heavyweights. Surely he could spend a bit of time in the gym and bulk up a bit.

I agree, he's too tall to be a middle weight with power but could gain a few solid lbs and be a powerhouse at super middle.. he was terrible at middle last week, im gone off him for now!!

Daroxtar

cowzerp wrote: »

I agree, he's too tall to be a middle weight with power but could gain a few solid lbs and be a powerhouse at super middle.. he was terrible at middle last week, im gone off him for now!!

Ya, I've said it before here that he's gone down a bit in my estimation. I still think the guy has huge potential but he just doesn't seem as good as he used to be before the vera fight. That, or we all expected too much from him to begin with..?

Rob113

Daroxtar wrote: »

Ya, I've said it before here that he's gone down a bit in my estimation. I still think the guy has huge potential but he just doesn't seem as good as he used to be before the vera fight. That, or we all expected too much from him to begin with..?

i think we we were right to expect a lot from him. There was a lot of talk about him before he came back to fight in Ireland. Manny Stewart saying he had the next world champ and that Lee 'owned' the Kronk gym he was training out of. He has been disappointing to say the least. He looks like a fighter out of the 50's or something. He wouldnt look out of place in some old black and white footage, he has an awkward style to him. He could just be a fighter low on confidence but he doesnt look like setting the world alight any time soon. Maybe a move up in weight would be just the thing for him - a fresh start if you like. He must have the skills to be spoken so highly of, so maybe with a bit more weight and power behind his shots he could fulfil the potential he is rumoured to have.

Id leave Dunne at bantam for a while and let him enjoy his status as world champ. A move up would certainly benefit him long term though. Have we ever had a champ at 2 different weights?

Daroxtar

Rob113 wrote: »

i think we we were right to expect a lot from him. There was a lot of talk about him before he came back to fight in Ireland. Manny Stewart saying he had the next world champ and that Lee 'owned' the Kronk gym he was training out of. He has been disappointing to say the least. He looks like a fighter out of the 50's or something. He wouldnt look out of place in some old black and white footage, he has an awkward style to him. He could just be a fighter low on confidence but he doesnt look like setting the world alight any time soon. Maybe a move up in weight would be just the thing for him - a fresh start if you like. He must have the skills to be spoken so highly of, so maybe with a bit more weight and power behind his shots he could fulfil the potential he is rumoured to have.

Id leave Dunne at bantam for a while and let him enjoy his status as world champ. A move up would certainly benefit him long term though. Have we ever had a champ at 2 different weights?

Collins, beat Chris Pyatt to win the middle weight belt then moved up to super to beat Eubank

Daroxtar

Steward was doing some blowing about lee alright. From what Manny was saying the only boxers out there who could live with him were the Klits. He was going to be the next Hitman Hearns. Unfortunately he ran into Marvelous Marvin Vera. I'd still love to see Lee come good but he does look awkward- far too upright and flat footed at times. Maybe Manny is just not quite the right trainer for him at this stage of his career. Don't get me wrong, he's a great trainer and he's brought him this far but maybe he is missing something that a new man in charge could focus on.