Niall McCarthy

corcaioch

Niall McCarthy is appealing the red card he received against Clare on Sunday. He swung the hurl at Bugler's head, then struck him in the back with it... On what grounds exactly is he appealing?

Browney7

On the grounds that Frank Murphy and the CCB will probably find some loophole to get him off scot free like what always happens down in the rebel county;)

Orizio

Players typically appeal their punishment. I really wish they wouldn't.

Daysha

I haven't seen the incident but I presume it would be just as long as Prenders ban - 8 weeks.

corcaioch

Daysha wrote: »

I haven't seen the incident but I presume it would be just as long as Prenders ban - 8 weeks.

Here is the link for it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8miOmqcKI-0

Surely, can't have any arguments about the red card being justified:eek:

corcaioch

Browney7 wrote: »

On the grounds that Frank Murphy and the CCB will probably find some loophole to get him off scot free like what always happens down in the rebel county;)

Unfortunately, I fear you may be right. But why Frank should help out "in fairness you wouldn't see it in a comedy show, you know" McCarthy is beyond me.

joulter

he should just take the month hes probably gonna get anyway...he won't be much of a loss.

keane2097

Cork's intercounty GAA players repeatedly show themselves to be a petulant bunch - this habit they have of appealing perfectly well deserved red cards is one of the most irritating features of this behavior imo.

LowOdour

Wonder will they go on strike if they dont get their way?

Orizio

keane2097 wrote: »

Cork's intercounty GAA players repeatedly show themselves to be a petulant bunch - this habit they have of appealing perfectly well deserved red cards is one of the most irritating features of this behavior imo.

Oh give me a ****ing break - this is a Cork only way of acting is it? Oh wait, your from Kerry, my apologies, keep the irrational, petty hatred for all things Cork coming...

Oh and Paul Galvin, Aidan O'Mahony and Dara O'Se. Now off you go with your hyprocrisy...

Orizio

LowOdour wrote: »

Wonder will they go on strike if they dont get their way?

You, sir, have a wit to challenge Wilde himself. :P

juvenal

From the OP I thought that he pulled across the Clareman's head, and was a bit surprised to see the video. Despite that, he swung with intent to injure a fellow player, and subsequently used the hurl as a weapon when striking the same player.

The absolute minimum here should be a four-week ban, and tbh I personally feel that anyone using the hurl to strike should be looking at perhaps an eight-week ban or longer. The appeals process has already been shown to be farcical, so it will be interesting to see where this goes. I'd almost be in favour of introducing an automatic doubling of suspension should an appeal fail to reduce time-wasting.

There's also an onus of responsibility on the county board and the team management to ensure that this sort of carry-on doesn't go unpunished. Unfortunately these people are usually self-serving and don't care about the ethics of the situation, preferring to have the sort of myopic outlook that drags disciplinary proceedings through a variety of committees before the original punishment is quashed on some obscure technicality. It's not just a problem in Cork, there are a variety of cases up and down the country where the spirit of the game is being eroded by selfish actions by both players and officials.

It's a pity that it's very much the exception than the rule that you see internal suspensions administered by management and county boards for dangerous and foul play, they usually support the culprit all the way hoping that they can get off the hook.

taidghbaby

Daysha wrote: »

I haven't seen the incident but I presume it would be just as long as Prenders ban - 8 weeks.

Mccarthy's is a red card, but comparing it to prenders is like comparing the latest cork hurlers strike to the 1916 rising!!

Daysha

taidghbaby wrote: »

Mccarthy's is a red card, but comparing it to prenders is like comparing the latest cork hurlers strike to the 1916 rising!!

Is it really? They both had the exact same intent from the looks of it. The only difference being McCarthy missed.

Had Eddie Brennan ducked his head and Prendergast missed with his swing, would he have gotten a month off his ban?

keane2097

Orizio wrote: »

Oh give me a ****ing break - this is a Cork only way of acting is it? Oh wait, your from Kerry, my apologies, keep the irrational, petty hatred for all things Cork coming...

Oh and Paul Galvin, Aidan O'Mahony and Dara O'Se. Now off you go with your hyprocrisy...

Cork do it more often than anyone else. It happens occasionally with every county but it's retardedly frequent from Cork by comparison.

And throwing in a wink at the end of a vitriolic statement like that is a fairly pathetic way of trying to avoid being censured by the moderators - if you're going to spit out nonsense about people being petty and irrational at least have the goolies to stand by it. Fcuking winking at me like :rolleyes:

yahoo_moe

Whatever about his first swing and its intentions, McCarthy's offence was more of a 'butt' with the hurl than a swing*. Prendergast's was most certainly worse.

As for appeals, there's no way any unsuccessful appeal should see a doubling of suspension. Seemingly good appeals can be turned down for a number of reasons and you can't set the system up so that nobody appeals... in soccer, however, any appeal that's deemed to be frivolous merits an extended ban and I think that's an excellent system to follow.

* Incidentally, I'd imagine the appeal would follow a similar line to Donncha O'Connor's appeal last year for his sending off when he slapped Aidan O'Mahoney - i.e. arguing that his opponent's reaction got him sent off unfairly. In McCarthy's case, he may have intended to cleave him with his first swing but I'm guessing that's not what he was put off for so that's not what he has to appeal against.

juvenal

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Whatever about his first swing and its intentions, McCarthy's offence was more of a 'butt' with the hurl than a swing*. Prendergast's was most certainly worse.

As for appeals, there's no way any unsuccessful appeal should see a doubling of suspension. Seemingly good appeals can be turned down for a number of reasons and you can't set the system up so that nobody appeals... in soccer, however, any appeal that's deemed to be frivolous merits an extended ban and I think that's an excellent system to follow.

* Incidentally, I'd imagine the appeal would follow a similar line to Donncha O'Connor's appeal last year for his sending off when he slapped Aidan O'Mahoney - i.e. arguing that his opponent's reaction got him sent off unfairly. In McCarthy's case, he may have intended to cleave him with his first swing but I'm guessing that's not what he was put off for so that's not what he has to appeal against.

I agree; an automatic doubling isn't quite what I meant and I was a bit OTT, but I'd certainly support a policy that adjudicated on the merit of appeals and increased the punishment where appropriate to dissuade people from making appeals just "for the sake of it".

Too many appeals are made as a shot in the dark, with the player or county board knowing they've nothing to lose in appealing. The recent Ryan McMenamin case and increased ban is something that I'd like to see more of in the future, if the appeal has no grounds.

Hitman Actual

keane2097 wrote: »

Cork do it more often than anyone else. It happens occasionally with every county but it's retardedly frequent from Cork by comparison.

I don't see that it is more frequent with Cork than anyone else. There has been Semplegate, where everyone appealed, and now Niall McCarthy. I think that's it, unless my memory is really failing me. Did Donal Og appeal last year after he was sent off by Barry Kelly against Galway? Or is there anyone else I'm missing?

Hitman Actual

juvenal wrote: »

I agree; an automatic doubling isn't quite what I meant and I was a bit OTT, but I'd certainly support a policy that adjudicated on the merit of appeals and increased the punishment where appropriate to dissuade people from making appeals just "for the sake of it".

Too many appeals are made as a shot in the dark, with the player or county board knowing they've nothing to lose in appealing. The recent Ryan McMenamin case and increased ban is something that I'd like to see more of in the future, if the appeal has no grounds.

Good post, I agree with that.

Daysha

It was events like this that won John Mullane so much praise wasn't it? Deciding not to appeal his ban when he got sent off in the Munster Final in 2004.

More players should be following that example.

An Citeog

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Whatever about his first swing and its intentions, McCarthy's offence was more of a 'butt' with the hurl than a swing*. Prendergast's was most certainly worse.

How so? It could be argued that Prendergast's was a spur of the moment thing, while McCarthy swung, missed and came back for a second bite. A dig into the kidneys from behind can be a lot more painful that a slap of the hurl in the head when you're wearing a helmet.

taidghbaby

Daysha wrote: »

Is it really? They both had the exact same intent from the looks of it. The only difference being McCarthy missed.

Had Eddie Brennan ducked his head and Prendergast missed with his swing, would he have gotten a month off his ban?

mccarthy's was a flick of the wrist but your right the intent was there and he definitley deserves a ban - however he most certainly doesn't deserve to get as much as prendergast!

and no if eddie brennan ducks and prendergast misses then he shouldn't get a month off!
if brennan isn't wearing a helmet and prendergast knocks out a few teeth, or causes brain damage what does prendergast deserve then??

LeoB

County boards have to stop appealing these bans. If they appear to appeal and have no real grounds for it the suspension should have something added to it and the board should be fined a few thousand. This would soon put a stop to it.
Striking with the Hurl is as low as you go in my opinion. Any deliberate strike should see the player who strikes get at least 4 weeks.
Taidghbaby Thats a good point you make in your post, If player not wearing a helmet. .
The system for dealing with indiscipiline has become bogged down in red tape and I think we need to start again keep it simple and have clearly laid fines including match ban's.

Mullane got great respect for just accepting his ban in 2004

corcaioch

It's just been announced that McCarthy received a four week ban...he got off lightly I think

yahoo_moe

An Citeog wrote: »

How so? It could be argued that Prendergast's was a spur of the moment thing, while McCarthy swung, missed and came back for a second bite.

It could but that wasn't what I was arguing

Listen, obviously it's a subjective thing - but I'd certainly think Prendergast's was worse. It's not just about how painful it is (and it certainly shouldn't be about the fact that his helmet protected him from more pain) - it's about the offence. And from that point of view, I think swinging at the head is worse than butting in the back.

Browney7

Hitman Actual wrote: »

I don't see that it is more frequent with Cork than anyone else. There has been Semplegate, where everyone appealed, and now Niall McCarthy. I think that's it, unless my memory is really failing me. Did Donal Og appeal last year after he was sent off by Barry Kelly against Galway? Or is there anyone else I'm missing?

that was two yellows iirc so he received no ban anyway.

The name Anthony Lynch also springs to mind in Regard to Cork appeals