Harry Hawkins and Dunne

JMCD

Does anybody else think that If Bernard Dunne really wants to kick on from what he has achieved to date, that he would be better suited to a more distinguished coach/trainer?

No dont get me wrong Harry Hawkins has done a great job, but IMO if Dunne has reall ambitions of dominating the Super-Bantamweight Division he would be better off with someone who has a proven track record of dealing with and constantly improving champions.

What do you guys think?

T-K-O

Yes. And I'm not only saying it now- I've had that view for years. If Dunne had one of the top coaches and trained with elite fighters I think you would see some of those bad habits disappear.

Now don't get me wrong congrats to Harry and getting Dunne the title but I still have my doubts about Dunnes team.

Shane10

im no expert about a boxing team but they seem to have done pretty well so far. he seems to have a good routine for fights up in belfast with harry. disrupting this might be more harmfull than good, no??

T-K-O

It's not going to change at this stage and Dunne seems to have a great relationship with Harry and that is important.

mark renton

He does already have the experience of working with Freddie Roche in the US in the early days... The preparations for this fight seemed to be spot on, improved strength and stamina, aslo a gameplan was applied, it was a new look Bernard Dunne with a lot more variation in his movement - Credit Harry for his part in this

IMO Nothing has been done wrong to suggest the need for a new trainer, credit has to be given to Harry and also the cutman who did a first class job on a cut needing 10 stitches

If Bernard was to lose 2 or 3 fights, and seem lacking in new ideas then the case could be put forward for a change - but as is? Its all gravy!!

walshb

Maybe if Dunne was 22 or 23; but he's at the end of his career now really.
He has maybe 2 years left if managed properly

13663046

Harry Hawkins has been coaching boxing for a long time, first turned pro with brian magee who was a world champion, then took on bernard who is a world champion, 2 out of 2, brian is british champ and going for european.

People had dunne as a nobody after kiko, but him and hawkins fairly turned that impression around. If you like your coach dont change him, dunne didnt like Roach and thats why he left.

Leaving Harry H simply will not happen and would be a bad move

mark renton

13663046 wrote: »

If you like your coach dont change him, dunne didnt like Roach and thats why he left.

Not true - Bernard got on very well with Freddie and parted on very good terms - Descision was made to come back to Ireland because the time was right, and uncertainty about SRL promotions, though probably the biggest factor was home sickness. Also going to the US was never intended to be a permanent move

13663046

Sorry that wasn't the main reason, but dunne was quoted in saying in the irish star, as saying "it is no good having the 'best' coach in the world if you dont get on with the f**ker", lol I remeber it well.

steve-collins

i think he should stay . why change a winning formula . the american trainers are overated imo . by the way you cant call brian magee a world champion . the ibo doesnt count . come on the big 4 yes . wba , wbc , ibf and wbo if your pushing it . but the ibo imo is not worthy of world champion status

JMCD

walshb wrote: »

Maybe if Dunne was 22 or 23; but he's at the end of his career now really.
He has maybe 2 years left if managed properly

Only 2 Years Walshie? Why ya think that?

walshb

It's just that the lower weight fighters tend to fade earlier and Dunne will
be 31; hopefully still doing well, but in those two years, we
can expect maybe 5 fights? They can't all be easy ones and in at least one, we can surely expect real real danger.

That last bout will really have taken a toll on Dunne. He won, but in doing
so, he took a lot of punishment. There is only so many of these
fights in any man.

If Bernard gets two more successful years he will have done very very well.

Shane10

i dont think either of them took actual punishment, no real power punches. its just the fight was all action from the start, id say they were more tired than anything. id say lee felt worse after his fight, a right bruiser that one.

walshb

Shane10 wrote: »

i dont think either of them took actual punishment, no real power punches. its just the fight was all action from the start, id say they were more tired than anything. id say lee felt worse after his fight, a right bruiser that one.

I have to disagree there. There was lots of damaging body shots from both. Bernard did take a hell of a lot and a lot to the body. This is lethal.
And they also took their fair share of head shots. Bruising enough bout

Johnduddy

I spent a couple of years in the Holy trinity, I dont know Harry as well as Mickey but I do know their background is mainly in the Amateurs (and at the highest level), Mickey with the Irish Olympic team for years, his experience in the Pros was mostly with Damean Kelly taking him as a kid right the way through to european champion and a fight for a world title.

I understand what people are saying about Harry's Pro experience but he knows Bernard inside out. And as Bernard said the other night - the two people who always truly believed he could win a world title were Harry and his Da.

I am glad Harry has a world title to show for his years of dedication to boxing he deserves it, and unless theres a major falling out Bernard will never leave Harry.