Is a 1.9tdi 105bhp to slow?

Donnaot

Was going to buy a 2008 1.9 tdi passat up the north, i think the 105 bhp works out cheaper with the vrt than the 140bhp, i just need a bit of advice will it be faily slow??

SuperHans

It works out cheaper in this instance, but you are losing EV in the long run. Re-pop his turn check-raise IMO.

homer90

SuperHans wrote: »

It works out cheaper in this instance, but you are losing EV in the long run. Re-pop his turn check-raise IMO.

Ya wha ?

but43r

It's up to yourself. I speed isn't important at all to you then go for the 105 bhp It wouldn't be slow but 140 bhp would be much nicer to drive...

homer90

STATISTICAL CODE: 40286162
MAKE: VOLKSWAGEN
MODEL: PASSAT 1.9 TDI (From Jun. 2005)
VERSION: SE 105BHP 04DR / SALOON / MANUAL / DIESEL /
CO2 EMISSIONS: 148
MILEAGE: 20000 KILOMETERS
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION: JULY 2008

OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE: €19552
RATE OF TAX: 20%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €3910

V

STATISTICAL CODE: 40286164
MAKE: VOLKSWAGEN
MODEL: PASSAT 2.0 TDI (From Jun. 2005)
VERSION: SE 140BHP 04DR / SALOON / MANUAL / DIESEL /
CO2 EMISSIONS: 157
MILEAGE: 20000 KILOMETERS
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION: JULY 2008

OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE: €22232
RATE OF TAX: 24%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €5335

I would still opt for the 2.0 TDi

unkel

homer90 wrote: »

Ya wha ?

The thread originated in the poker forum and his post is pokertalk

The poker moderator has moved it from poker to here

homer90

unkel wrote: »

The thread originated in the poker forum and his post is pokertalk

The poker moderator has moved it from poker to here

Man ...... I knew it wasnt that late

HashSlinging

I'd hold off for at least 12 months, as far as I know there is a 1.6Tdi Common rail on the cards with 105bhp coming out that will make the 1.9 obsolete.

Theres a new seat Leon concept car here using the engine it was in the Geneva motor show, I presume its going to appear on all VAG cars.

L-M

SuperHans wrote: »

It works out cheaper in this instance, but you are losing EV in the long run. Re-pop his turn check-raise IMO.

Hah! Weird...

ANYWHO, 1.9TDI isn't overly slow, and if it does bother you, a 300 euro remap will easily sort that. Lots of people would Opt. for the 2.0, but then again lots have the 1.9TDI. TBH, for me, it wouldn't be worth the 1400 euro difference in VRT and the extra cost of buying it in the first place.

homer90

Its also shocking, that the OMSP on the above seems to be in the ball park :eek:

L-M

homer90 wrote: »

Its also shocking, that the OMSP on the above seems to be in the ball park :eek:

I'd imagine they are a very regularly imported car and therefore the OMSP would be on the ball. Things that aren't as common you would see huge miscalculations in the OMSP.

staker

HashSlinging wrote: »

I'd hold off for at least 12 months, as far as I know there is a 1.6Tdi Common rail on the cards with 105bhp coming out that will make the 1.9 obsolete.

Theres a new seat Leon concept car here using the engine it was in the Geneva motor show, I presume its going to appear on all VAG cars.

I'd be a bit sceptical of such a low sized cc producing that bhp tbh.
remember those opel combi 1.3ctdi's?

mickdw

The latest passats have a 2.0tdi that gets into 16% vrt bracket so really that is the one to go for.

Sqaull20

Drive both!

You will be kicking yourself for even thinking about going for the 105bhp one after it.

Your losing about 35% performance, 35%

Thats like driving around without a turbo!

Anan1

staker wrote: »

I'd be a bit sceptical of such a low sized cc producing that bhp tbh.
remember those opel combi 1.3ctdi's?

105bhp from a 1.6 is nothing special these days.

staker

no strain on the engine long term?
it's a genuine question..

bazz26

I just would not be able to live with the 1.9 TDi's narrow power delivery and general unrefinement these days. Diesels have moved on and there are much better alternatives out there from the competition.

staker

i'm driving a 1.9 tdi caddy.
gotta say,love it to bits, no faults,my 3rd one in warranty.
to me 105 bhp would still be a good delivery on a 1.9, having said that, my sister in law has a 120d delivering about 174.
105 is still not slow though.
hope the brakes are uprated accordingly.

bazz26

But a Caddy van doesn't weight the same as a Passat.

Anyway it's not all about bhp either with diesels, it's how that power is delivered, the old 1.9 TDi has a very narrow power delivery band. I've driven a few TDis and found that you get a burst of power between about 1500 and 2500 rpm and then nothing.

In comparision my 1.6 PSA engined Focus is much more free reving and the power is distriputed alot more evenly.

staker

i suppose it's all in the ems.
i'm too used to driving a van!

bazz26

In fairness the TDi is fine in a van like the Caddy where speed is not it's primary objective.

At least it's not the SDi unit, now that was God awful slow.

Honey-ec

bazz26 wrote: »

Anyway it's not all about bhp either with diesels, it's how that power is delivered, the old 1.9 TDi has a very narrow power delivery band. I've driven a few TDis and found that you get a burst of power between about 1500 and 2500 rpm and then nothing.

Totally agree. I changed to a 1.9 TDi Passat in November and was totally underwhelmed by it. Loads of low-end torque but not much else.

Engine-wise, that is. The car has grown on me somewhat in the meantime, comfort-wise, but I'd still ditch it tomorrow for something more fun if the opportunity arose.

EPM

I thought the 2.0 tdi 110 bhp was replacing the 1.9 tdi in the Passat (seen a couple on carzone). Surely they are not going to put a amaller engine in? I thought the new 1.6 was only going to be 90 bhp.


@ Staker - What about those Combo's?

R.O.R

EPM wrote: »

I thought the 2.0 tdi 110 bhp was replacing the 1.9 tdi in the Passat (seen a couple on carzone). Surely they are not going to put a amaller engine in? I thought the new 1.6 was only going to be 90 bhp.


@ Staker - What about those Combo's?

For now the 1.9Tdi 105 has been replaced by the "Bluemotion" 2.0Tdi 110bhp. Comes with Stop/Start (like the BMW's) and comes in to the 16% VRT.

I've driven a Golf with the new engine and it felt exactly like the 1.9Tdi, just a bit quieter.

Not sure about putting the 1.6d in to the car, but they use the 1.4Tsi 122bhp so I don't see why not.

L-M

R.O.R wrote: »

For now the 1.9Tdi 105 has been replaced by the "Bluemotion" 2.0Tdi 110bhp. Comes with Stop/Start (like the BMW's) and comes in to the 16% VRT.

Are you sure? Because I thought as much, and myself and the cousin went into test drive one and the salesperson said it didn't have it, and never heard of it either.

R.O.R

Limerick man wrote: »

Are you sure? Because I thought as much, and myself and the cousin went into test drive one and the salesperson said it didn't have it, and never heard of it either.

We got 3 of the first ones to be released. They'd been sitting up in a compound somewhere as the paint was covered in C*ap. Didn't get to drive one, but on the passenger seat of all 3 was a booklet explaining how they'll stall when you stop at traffic lights.

I wasn't aware they were to come with stop start, but there must be something to get the emissions in at 128.

Moanin

Drive both and see what you think.For me it would be the 2.0TDI.I'm slightly biased as I currently drive the 2.0TDI.I was in the same situation and test drove both.Guess what won for me?

Donnaot

thanks for all the replys, I had a 2001 gti golf for the last 3 years so not sure how il feel about driving something a bit slower, i love the new passats tho. Might just get a drive out of the 105bhp and the 140bhp and see how i get on:)

Donie75

I drive a highline passat 2.0Tdi 140bhp. It's a great car with a great engine. Buckets of torque from the 2 litre. I drove the 105bhp and couldn't believe how dead it was. I went for a demo 2 litre instead of a new 105bhp in 2007. I don't regret it.
Just be careful with the specs. In the UK they only did an SE and Sport spec up until recently. The highline has just been introduced over there. There's a serious amount of kit in the Highline for the money.

colm_mcm

The 105 isn't as painfully slow as people would have you believe. it sounds like a tractor though.

OutlawPete

colm_mcm wrote: »

The 105 isn't as painfully slow as people would have you believe. it sounds like a tractor though.

Pre 2001 Audi A4's the 90BHP and the 110BHP were dead slow. Had a few mates with these. I have a 115BHP 1.9TDi and it's a massive difference.

I'm told though that it has nothing to do with the extra 5 BHP but that this engine was different in a few ways - could never really find evidence on the net confirming this but to drive it is completely different for whatever reason.

Nico

tossy

Thats because the 115 was a PD (pump duse engine) slightly more refined and torquey(er) but not as economical and not that much faster in fairness,torque is deceptive.

OutlawPete

tossy wrote: »

Thats because the 115 was a PD (pump duse engine) slightly more refined and torquey(er) but not as economical and not that much faster in fairness,torque is deceptive.

Well, it's very economical as long as it stays in 5th gear. If you keep an eye on the MPG display it tells me that in 5th going 52 MPH I'll get 76 MPG but I always get bored going 52 on the motorway

Overtaking in it is a pleasure as when I floor it at say 50 it hit's 65 and 70 very quickly. The 1998 110 BHP A4 my mate had was so breathless that he thought his turbo was gone and had it replaced but made no difference .. poor chap was ripped off for it too by Brady's in Castleknock .. say that was back in 2003 ish.

Nico

jamesO

Limerick man wrote: »

Hah! Weird...

ANYWHO, 1.9TDI isn't overly slow, and if it does bother you, a 300 euro remap will easily sort that. Lots of people would Opt. for the 2.0, but then again lots have the 1.9TDI. TBH, for me, it wouldn't be worth the 1400 euro difference in VRT and the extra cost of buying it in the first place.

Yea bang on the 105 will save on vrt then remap it they go to 135bhp loads............

OutlawPete

jamesO wrote: »

Yea bang on the 105 will save on vrt then remap it they go to 135bhp loads............

Does remapping make the MPG better or worse?

Nico

staker

EPM wrote: »

@ Staker - What about those Combo's?

i know of two lads had these 1.3 ctdi's where they ended up trading them in for a berlingo and a caddy.
can't remember exactly,but gearbox and engine problems from the off...

Donnaot

Whats re-mapping and where would i get it done? thanks:)

EPM

Donnaot wrote: »

Whats re-mapping and where would i get it done? thanks:)

Just reprogrammes the ECU. Gives more power and economy. Really only works on cars with a turbo, turbo diesels being particularly good as it can also hugely increase torque...

boardswalker

Where can you get it done?
I presume you would have to inform insurance company and there may be premium increases.
The obvious question is if remapping is so good why don't the manufacturers just sell the remapped version? There must be some reason why they sell the lower powered configuration.

DaMonk

boardswalker wrote: »

Where can you get it done?
I presume you would have to inform insurance company and there may be premium increases.
The obvious question is if remapping is so good why don't the manufacturers just sell the remapped version? There must be some reason why they sell the lower powered configuration.

Engines are for markets. The 2.0tdi as above is 1400 dearer. Nobody would go for it if the 1.9 was just as powerful really. And engines have high safety margins and tolerances built into them that they dont want to tune it too hard. VAG have a 1.9tdi with 160hp but they dont lob that into every car that has a 1.9.
my car is mapped and absolutely no problems with it. its nicer to drive.

jamesO

Nico22 wrote: »

Does remapping make the MPG better or worse?

Nico

MPG is the same if you drive hard and up to 20% better if ya drive easy thats the short and curleys of it!

jamesO

Donnaot wrote: »

Whats re-mapping and where would i get it done? thanks:)

This chap does mine if ya want to give him a call his name is D his number is 086 2329060 he'll explain www.i-remap.com