Tyson

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James Toback's film. It opens in Ireland on the 27th March and I plan to see at the IFI this weekend. Has anyone seen it yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdmuHUrZ3Mg

T-K-O

I went to see this last night - its well worth a look with lots of new footage and some great one liners from Mick about Don King and the women he was supposed to have raped.

It's also sad to see Mick loose to Lewis, Holyfield, Mcbirde etc when he clearly was a shadow of his former self.

cowzerp

Cant wait to see this, seen the trailer and it looks great-in his prime he truly was a machine.

rovert

I saw it on Saturday nothing spectacular but worth a watch if you are a fan. I found listening to Tyson's voice and only Tyson's voice a bit jaring at the beginning. The film comes from a very macho perspective even for boxing's standards.

T-K-O wrote: »

It's also sad to see Mick loose to Lewis, Holyfield, Mcbirde etc when he clearly was a shadow of his former self.

Ive heard arguements basicailly saying that Tyson isnt an all time great as he didnt fight like one on his worse nights as a results.

The story about suffering though gonorrhea during the Berbick fight was funny.

T-K-O

His line "a slimy, reptilian mother****er" about King was also funny.

IMO Tyson is one of the best ever, the guy was lethal not only beating the competition but destroying it. His personal problems are there for all to see - he clearly had no one to rely on - no support and with Cus passing away when Mike was still a kid he was destined to fail in a certain way.

A fit focused Mike Tyson was as good as any other HW

walshb

I have to say, at absolute peak, he would be very hard to bet against.
That power and speed combined with his great chin, focus and
very decent stamina would be hell for any man over 12 rds.

I cannot see any HW having a comfortable time with him.
I will go as far to say that I personally would back him
in a one-one peak to peak fight to beat any man ever!


Rooney's departure was the real loss for Mike.
Cus was gone a year before he even won.

Cus laid the foundations and set the team up to
guide Mike. Rooney was the key to Mike's preparation
and training. That was the best Mike

Johner

Its out on DVD in next week for anyone thats interested.

Sqaull20

Johner wrote: »

Its out on DVD in next week for anyone thats interested.

Where can you buy, it do you know?

Seillejet

I went in to watch in IFI today but it finished yesterday. However the DVD was on sale a little steep at €23 but Im a huge fan so I had to purchase. Bonus footage is disappointing, it is basically an interview with Sky Sports commentator Adam Smith.

I am 30 and often thought maybe I had exaggerated how good I thought he was in his hayday as I was a kid and you tend to exaggerate things. To win the world title in the manner he did was awesome, along with the knockdown in the Olympics.

This one is going to be contreversial I am sure. I have read Holyfield's book and he glosses over the very evident buting in the two encounters. It is not understandable how Tyson reacted but Holyfields account is wildly different than the footage.

joepenguin

will you be able to rent it. xtra vision etc?

Seillejet

Unsure. It is a UK release if that is anything to go by.

eagle eye

As much as I liked the man at his very best, I still wonder about exactly how good he was. When he arrived in the heavyweight division and cleaned it up, it was full of poor champions.

Its just a pity he didn't fight Lewis and Holyfield in his prime. We could put it all to death then. Now we will never know. I wouldn't give him either of those fights, I'm not saying he is a certain loser by any means but I think its hard to predict the outcomes. If a gun was put to my head I'd back both Lewis and Holyfield in their primes against a prime Mike Tyson.

seanybiker

eagle eye wrote: »

If a gun was put to my head I'd back both Lewis and Holyfield in their primes against a prime Mike Tyson.

+1 have to agree with ya there.

dlofnep

I saw it, it was really good. Tyson seemed very "human".

cowzerp

I found it very sad tbh, he's just a lad that seems to lack any education-comes across as intelligent but not schooled!

Its on sale in all good dvd shops and some bad ones!!

Alos the editing of the butts by evander is very misleading, if you based the fights on this you'd think tyson was robbed, in truth, he was roughed up a bit and beaten by the better fighter both times..

nacho libre

cowzerp wrote: »

I found it very sad tbh, he's just a lad that seems to lack any education-comes across as intelligent but not schooled!

Its on sale in all good dvd shops and some bad ones!!

Alos the editing of the butts by evander is very misleading, if you based the fights on this you'd think tyson was robbed, in truth, he was roughed up a bit and beaten by the better fighter both times..

Yeah i agree with all that. Your last point begs the question would Holyfield have beaten Tyson had they met before Tyson went to prison.

cowzerp

nacho libre wrote: »

Yeah i agree with all that. Your last point begs the question would Holyfield have beaten Tyson had they met before Tyson went to prison.

I feel evander would have beat him before he was imprisoned and did back then, even as a little kid!

Evander just would not be bullied and thats tysons downfall, lewis in the later years would not be bullied either but i think he might have been earlier in his career, Evander was just Tyson's worst nightmare..

walshb

Peak Mike beats peak Holy. Okay, the best Holy was
1990-1992 and the best Tyson was the 1986-1988 version.

Now, a past it Tyson lasted 11 rds with a past it Holy, who was
probably a physically stronger Holy, less fast Holy than the peak.

No way a peak Tyson doesn't last the distance with Holy.
Holy didn't have enough power to stop a peak Tyson.

Mike in his heyday had so so much more in
terms or speed and stamina and focus.

He was every bit as srong as the peak Holy.
I see Mike earning a KO win. Holy could be hurt and
wobbled at peak, as Cooper and Bowe showed, both who are
lesser finishers and less dangerous than a Tyson

Can you magine Mike stunning Holy like Cooper did.
I see a more efficient and better hitter like Mike
closing the show.

I would also be hugely surprised if Holy could dent
Tyson. Tyson's chin was superb and with the stamina
and focus at his best, it aint gonna' happen for Holy

akindoc

walshb wrote: »

Peak Mike beats peak Holy. Okay, the best Holy was
1990-1992 and the best Tyson was the 1986-1988 version.

Now, a past it Tyson lasted 11 rds with a past it Holy, who was
probably a physically stronger Holy, less fast Holy than the peak.

No way a peak Tyson doesn't last the distance with Holy.
Holy didn't have enough power to stop a peak Tyson.

Mike in his heyday had so so much more in
terms or speed and stamina and focus.

He was every bit as srong as the peak Holy.
I see Mike earning a KO win. Holy could be hurt and
wobbled at peak, as Cooper and Bowe showed, both who are
lesser finishers and less dangerous than a Tyson

Can you magine Mike stunning Holy like Cooper did.
I see a more efficient and better hitter like Mike
closing the show.

I would also be hugely surprised if Holy could dent
Tyson. Tyson's chin was superb and with the stamina
and focus at his best, it aint gonna' happen for Holy

Agreed.

Basically the holyfield who went life and death with Bowe would have been gutted by the tyson of that day imo. Bowe was a solid fighter but nothing spectacular. He had a decent repartoire and solid skills but I think Tyson was better all round. Bowe really beat Holyfield well in their first fight and their next two were pretty close. I feel that Tyson would have been way too much for Holyfield back then. Lewis was too methodical to deal with a young prime Tyson, plus he got knocked out by two journeymen with way lesser power than tyson.

lilywhites1982

This look like a pretty good documentary. The only thing that pisses me off is that local cinemas don't show quality films like this and instead opt for something with Adam Sandler in it:mad:

cowzerp

akindoc wrote: »

Basically the holyfield who went life and death with Bowe would have been gutted by the tyson of that day imo. Bowe was a solid fighter but nothing spectacular..

Bowe was a savage and was huge, bowe at peak beats Tyson, Holyfield had the chin to take tysons punches, the stamina and most importantly the heart, Bowe lacked the heart otherwise he would of been 1 of the best ever. he only lost once.

Tyson cant beat holy bar a lucky KO.

c1979

good film watched it today

Irishpimpdude

I just started watching it now, does anyone think he sounds like adam sandler in the waterboy? lol

eagle eye

cowzerp wrote: »

Bowe was a savage and was huge, bowe at peak beats Tyson, Holyfield had the chin to take tysons punches, the stamina and most importantly the heart, Bowe lacked the heart otherwise he would of been 1 of the best ever. he only lost once.

Tyson cant beat holy bar a lucky KO.

Yeah Bowe only lost once, but he got lucky twice against Golota who got disqualified twice against him for a low blow, and he was beating Bowe clearly in both fights.

joepenguin

Peak tyson doesnt NEED to bully imo as he is simply on another level.

Big Ears

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah Bowe only lost once, but he got lucky twice against Golota who got disqualified twice against him for a low blow, and he was beating Bowe clearly in both fights.

Not to mention his team ran a mile from Lennox Lewis(and Bowe seemed to have no problem with it) after what had happened between the two in the Olympic final.

Bowe was a really good fighter though, at his best a very complete heavyweight. He had everything, size, speed, power, skill.

He's made another comeback recently aswell, amazing to think he's only 41 !

walshb

Personally I don't believe Bowe feared any man and simply was
going along with what his team and what their financial men were
plugging. Lewis was too dangerous a fighter, but surely that fight
in the early 90's would have generated massive publicity.

It remains one fight that of all the possible fantasy fights I could wish for, would
be my number one choice.

Two BIG talented heavies at their peak fighting. Added to this was their
Olympic scrap which IMO is a ZERO indicator as to how a pro bout would
have went.

All I do know, is that I believe Bowe had the superior skills and better chin and
was faster. I see him taking Lewis out!