Dunne and Cordoba Waterboys are crap!

tooler08

I watched the fight the other night and when I looked in the papers about it today they said that Cordoba suffered from dehydration and was sent to hospital. But what amazed me was when it said that Dunne suffered from dehydration as well. This leads me to believe that the quality of water boys in the boxing industry has drooped drastically recently. Is this just me or has anyone else got any theories!!?

PCPhoto

it was €3 a bottle for the water - no wonder they were dehydrated.

tooler08

I say they cheaped out on the food as well cause they both looked starved

Outkast_IRE

maybe they had trouble coming in at their weight so sweat it off earlier??

T-K-O

Thats what happens on a diet of hunky dorys

Johnduddy

I dont get this either lads - the weigh in was Friday afternoon so they have plenty of time to rehydrate before the fight ?

Back when the weigh ins were the morning of the fight I could understand this a bit more but with 24hrs + before fight time how can this still be happening ? Anyone ?

walshb

Lets be honest, 24 hrs or not, Dunne and Cordoab are hellaciously' making weight.
Both are big men for that weight and I'd say it's a massive struggle; so just because they
have 24 hrs, what's that when you are then going 11 hardish' rds.

Plus, they cannot afford to over do anything. It's a machine like process.
I could well understand a fighter suffering terribly late in
a fight, especially if the effort to make weight is so hard.

When weigh in was on fight day, fighters were fighting
closer to their natural weights. This 24 hr
difference has resulted in fighter making the 'extra'
push to drop so low and then pile it back on, dangerous!

I have a feeling both men are really finding it hard.

Dunne was a feather as a 19 year old. He's less now; that's unreal!"

Johnduddy

walshb wrote: »

Lets be honest, 24 hrs or not, Dunne and Cordoab are hellaciously' making weight.
Both are big men for that weight and I'd say it's a massive struggle; so just because they
have 24 hrs, what's that when you are then going 11 hardish' rds.

Plus, they cannot afford to over do anything. It's a machine like process.
I could well understand a fighter suffering terribly late in
a fight, especially if the effort to make weight is so hard.

When weigh in was on fight day, fighters were fighting
closer to their natural weights. This 24 hr
difference has resulted in fighter making the 'extra'
push to drop so low and then pile it back on, dangerous!

I have a feeling both men are really finding it hard.

Dunne was a feather as a 19 year old. He's less now; that's unreal!"

Cheers Walsh - Its fkn scary what they go through alright...I read an article last week about Dunnes training camp in Belfast - doing 3 sessions a day eatin nothin but rice cakes and porridge.

I need two bowls of pasta to run 2 miles !!!

walshb

The argument for the day before is that the men get to rehydrate, hence, safety is increased; but on the other hand, fighters are absolutely killing themselves to make weight and then piling it back on, bigger men making these weights and then on fight night, they
may well be a stone heavier.

The Gatti-Gamache fight is an indicator of the dangers:

Gatti was so much bigger on fight night, despite making weight 24 hrs prior.
He piled on so much in the 24 hrs, Gamache didn't and got
almost killed!

I think Gatti gained 19 lbs for the fight after the weigh in!

http://www.talkingboxing.com/articles/2008/carriedoapril7.html

Johnduddy

Heres the article....

Porridge and Pineapple, Rice Cakes & Peanut Butter - that'll keep you going for the day

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0307/1224242449464.html

Johnduddy

walshb wrote: »

I think Gatti gained 19 lbs for the fight after the weigh in!

http://www.talkingboxing.com/articles/2008/carriedoapril7.html

Same day weigh ins are a catch 22 though..... Of course its not right that gatti had nearly 1 1/2 stone. 6-7 lbs heavier on fight night is generally a given but 19 lbs is mental - and dangerous.

I still think that its safer to box the day after the weigh in - even though you can get exceptions like this - I think the dangers of same day weigh ins "Outweigh" (haha) the dangers of doing it the day before.

walshb

I agree too; but I do believe they have since brought in rules that a fighter can be a maximum for the fight night. That is needed. I'm almost sure, so, you can gain weight and rehydrate, but up to a certain amount!

Johnduddy

walshb wrote: »

I do believe they have since brought in rules that a fighter can be a maximum for the fight night. That is needed. I'm almost sure, so, you can gain weight and rehydrate, but up to a certain amount!

Makes sense !

mark renton

"dehydration" is a nice way of putting it when 2 people have tried their utmost best to decapitate each other

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I agree too; but I do believe they have since brought in rules that a fighter can be a maximum for the fight night. That is needed. I'm almost sure, so, you can gain weight and rehydrate, but up to a certain amount!

It's 10% and it's an IBF rule, enforced by the organisation everywhere.
The WBC sometimes uses weigh ins before the actual weigh in date(eg 3 weeks out and then one week out), not sure what the dates actually are but I don't think that'd work that well. It'd just encourage fighter to dehydrate leading up to the fight aswell.

me-skywalker

Plus i woudnt balme the waterboys hte only get to jazz a little squirt in... all the work is done by the cut men and the irons on the face to ease the swelling...

13663046

I think it was the heat of the o2, first real fights in there since it opened, if you seen the andy lee fight or any fight, the boxers were falling asleep on their feet. The heat was unreal, if you seen anyone who was near the corner it looked, like they had done 12 rounds themselves, so you have to give it to dunnes fitness, because the heat should have benefited cordoba more than bernard