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just-wonderin

Heard today from someone that works for Ormonde Construction that tesco's wanted to move into the retail park between Mubles and Byrne's where Harvey Norman was suppose to go, Since Harvey Norman pulled out once it was built and sale's in other Harvey Norman stores dropped. Tesco's have approched the developer about the space but good old county council wont change or rezone the building/area to allow food to be sold there, What a shower of wasters :mad:

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Yea, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. The amount of people that travel to Carlow for tesco is unreal. At least it would be a few jobs, bad and all as they may seem.
Crazy when you see a vacant unit like that.

Deliverance XXV

mfitzy wrote: »

At least it would be a few jobs

Exactly my thoughts.
At this time you'd imagine they'd be welcoming any sort of investment into Kilkenny as a blessing. A Tesco there would probably create >60 jobs.
Crazy.

Firetrap

What the hell do they powers that be in Kilkenny have against Tesco?

femur61

I get my shopping delivered from Tesco in Carlow.

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femur61 wrote: »

I get my shopping delivered from Tesco in Carlow.

I always see the vans delivering around KK.
There's also a Tesco over in Tullow ffs.

midgetflynn

heard the other day there wasn't a Tesco in Kilenny, madness!

kkmick

Would that be big enough for a tesco?

iremankk

Kilkenny planners stuck up their medieval behinds.... or in dunnes pocket.... funny how Tesco are unable to get a site in KK... interesting how dunnes put a new store in mcdonagh junction, that is not doing too well, an effort to stop Tesco? at one point dunnes had 3 stores in KK. I also hear work on the Tesco in the Mart is held up in planning (waiting for the inner relief road?) and Tesco was refused permission for a store in Callan?

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It was easy for KK County and Borough Councils turn up their noses at Tesco during the boom years. Less so now I would imagine. Especially seen as they now "allowed" Aldi set up on the Hebron road (even though they've been trading for years in all the neighbouring counties :rolleyes:).

Spocker

iremankk wrote: »

Tesco was refused permission for a store in Callan?

You are correct, but they sought and got changes in the Callan Development Plan to allow them to resubmit an application. Theres also talk of Aldi setting up in Callan too

http://www.advertiser.ie/kilkenny/article/4392

just-wonderin

iremankk wrote: »

Kilkenny planners stuck up their medieval behinds.... or in dunnes pocket.... funny how Tesco are unable to get a site in KK... interesting how dunnes put a new store in mcdonagh junction, that is not doing too well, an effort to stop Tesco? at one point dunnes had 3 stores in KK. I also hear work on the Tesco in the Mart is held up in planning (waiting for the inner relief road?) and Tesco was refused permission for a store in Callan?

the mart site will probably drag on for years, i can't see why they dont rezone that building up beside woodies say for 5 years for tesco until the city mart is built, the building is more than big enuf, kilkenny is hemoraging money every week with people traveling to Clonmel, Carlow and New ross to shop in tesco's it would be 50 odd jobs for kilkenny god knows we need every job we can get in kilkenny, as for Aldi they got permission to build on the hebron road but with some weird conditions of what they can and cant do they've appealed the decision to an bord pleanala decision is due some time in early june

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I see Tesco back in the local paper yet again...apparently they have input into the Kilkenny Retail Strategy 2014-2019.
No link to article but I'd imagine they are still very anxious to set up here and how they see themsleves fitting in. Reckon they could grab the old mart site for a song and develop it themselves if they were allowed. It's amjor site in the city that needs to be developed into something.

hi5

Some (if not all) of the old mart site is under a compulsory purchase order as part of the the inner relief road, so that would need to be sorted out before any development can go ahead with the rest of the site.
If KKcoco were smart they might be able to get that section of the road built by Tesco or whoever gets the go ahead to develop there;).

http://www.kilkennycoco.ie/eng/Services/Roads/Roads_Projects/Central_Access_Scheme/Central_Access_Scheme_Public_Notice-Compulsory_Purchase_Order_No_1_of_2011.21096.shortcut.html

Development was refused planning in 2009
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/local/blow-for-city-as-mart-centre-refused-planning-1-2168382

City mart went into recievership in early 2012
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/local/kilkenny-s-citymart-goes-into-receivership-with-absolutely-no-impact-on-new-mart-at-cillin-hill-1-3549042

Threadhead

We're currently the only county in Ireland without a Tesco.

Tesco would definitely be very welcome for jobs. But I'm genuinely wondering here, is the service provided by Tesco that much different to what we get from all the other supermarkets in town? Or is it just a case of having even more choice?

S28382

Yeah its mental that KK doesnt have a Tesco hopefully someday soon it will be brought in. To be fair they do have some good stuff for reasonable money and it would create more jobs and more competition.

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Threadhead wrote: »

We're currently the only county in Ireland without a Tesco.

Tesco would definitely be very welcome for jobs. But I'm genuinely wondering here, is the service provided by Tesco that much different to what we get from all the other supermarkets in town? Or is it just a case of having even more choice?

That's it basically. Look I'm no big fan of Tesco but I do like the huge range they offer/stock and I like to pop into the Carlow one occasionally for a few bargains. They do good offers.

foxcoverteddy

I find it very disconcerting that the council which elected by the people is and has decided that the said people are not going to get Tesco. It should matter not to the council if the wishes of the population is such that they want the choice of another supermarket, then the council should do all in it's power to ensure the wishes of the electorate are carried out.
There should be a concerted effort to bring this about, I personally do not think "Boards" alone can achieve the desired effect.
We need to make our wishes known, letters to the two Kilkenny newspaper's, KCLR should be e,mailed and the councillors E.mails inundated with demands, presuming of course they maintain an e.mail address.
One needs to be forceful in this action, it is not we would like, we demand
The council should organise a properly organised vote, a local referendum if you like, we really should not accept a wishy washy opinion poll, which could easily be manipulated by said council.
If you are really serious we had better start some organising, we of course stress this is not with the help of Tesco.
Someone said the council will not allow food to be sold on the Woodies estate, one wonders what KFC is selling then, and what reason do they have for not allowing food to be sold.
Do the electorate agree with such an opinion, after all we are not fcuk... idiots. Foxy

Dozen Wicked Words

Quite happy not to have a Tesco, not bothered that the council aren't keen on Tesco. Sadly I think they will get a shop in Kilkenny eventually.

The world will keep turning if they do or don't. Each to their own, but it's consumerism gone a bit mental, if people want to start protests and the like, because there isn't a certain brand of supermarket. Imho.

holyhead

Hard to see how Tesco would have fitted in size wise to the retail park in Loughboy. Traffic management would be an issue at the old mart site. I wonder about the old cash and carry unit on New St. Is it big enough and could it accomodate the expected traffic we're it ever considered.

foxcoverteddy

Well there are four people who appear not to want Tesco for a start, the woodies site might be a problem for traffic, perhaps the Loughboy estate might look better than Woodies to avoid confusion.
Isn't there a dormant estate up one of the roads it had a name Marble city, was it past Loughboy estate or near Glanbia, the roads were laid out etc ready and easy access.
However, there are good reasons for getting Tesco, it will drag people into our town, as a food store it shoulod not impact on the medieval mile, oops high St, maybe Dunnes would feel the draught.
Someone suggested that a supermarket was paying the council to keep Tesco out, this very libelous and should not, must not be voiced unless there is definate proof, but if such a statement had any credence then it should be taken up with the Gardi.
There is another aspect to this, sinister it may be but we need to know why the council is against Tesco coming, it needs to come out in the public domain, who is voting against it and for what reason.
Someone should start asking questions and demanding answers after all the council should and must reflect the voters mandate.
Think on, if you have any thoughts put them on Boards.

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foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Well there are four people who appear not to want Tesco for a start, the woodies site might be a problem for traffic, perhaps the Loughboy estate might look better than Woodies to avoid confusion.
Isn't there a dormant estate up one of the roads it had a name Marble city, was it past Loughboy estate or near Glanbia, the roads were laid out etc ready and easy access.
However, there are good reasons for getting Tesco, it will drag people into our town, as a food store it shoulod not impact on the medieval mile, oops high St, maybe Dunnes would feel the draught.
Someone suggested that a supermarket was paying the council to keep Tesco out, this very libelous and should not, must not be voiced unless there is definate proof, but if such a statement had any credence then it should be taken up with the Gardi.
There is another aspect to this, sinister it may be but we need to know why the council is against Tesco coming, it needs to come out in the public domain, who is voting against it and for what reason.
Someone should start asking questions and demanding answers after all the council should and must reflect the voters mandate.
Think on, if you have any thoughts put them on Boards.

Danville? Actually filling up quite nicely and earlier this year ICL IT company went in with plans to expand to over 200 jobs in Kilkenny. Definitely not a place for Tesco. Always surprised they did not look at building/leasing a Tesco Express in the city. Though there's a serious lack of medium units for retail in town that are vacant, bar a couple of those furniture stores.

Dunmoreroader

mfitzy wrote: »

Danville? Actually filling up quite nicely and earlier this year ICL IT company went in with plans to expand to over 200 jobs in Kilkenny. Definitely not a place for Tesco. Always surprised they did not look at building/leasing a Tesco Express in the city. Though there's a serious lack of medium units for retail in town that are vacant, bar a couple of those furniture stores.

I hear there's a shopping centre in Ferrybank Co. Kilkenny looking for an anchor tennant-sorted.;-)

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Dunmoreroader wrote: »

I hear there's a shopping centre in Ferrybank Co. Kilkenny looking for an anchor tennant-sorted.;-)

30 miles from Kilkenny city...that would be useful alright.

pegasus1

Behind woodies off the roundabout at the motor showrooms...there is loads of earmarked entrances for further expansion of the estate...plenty of room for tesco and a tesco garage forecourt...traffic should not be a problem

foxcoverteddy

Pegasus 1, you are right, it would be a green field site, no parking problems, no traffic problems, it could generate much more business for the car firms, we haven't got a petrol station that side of the ring , half a ring road. There are so many advantages.
The council so I am told wanted the cash and carry from new street to go in there, but they wanted to be on the other side of the road, so the story goes the land they had was cheaper than the estate's, so what happened no cash and carry.
Reckon they done well for what they got for new street though one could get a Tesco in that site, prefer the estate on the waterford road.
So come on all the supporters of Tesco let's be having an outcry, if you want it make it happen and bombard ther council with complaints, thats what they get their money for.
I m ust admit I have never done a price comparison with Tesco and Dunnes, or with Supervalu.
Yes it is easy with Lidl and Aldi, virtually everything is cheaper than the other's, provided of course that you don't mind buying products with different names.
However, many of the so called household names are now made by different manufacturers for what I guess is a holding company that owns the brand name.
For instance Bassett's liquorice Allsort's I just love them are now owned by Kraft Foods, Irelands favourite sauce HP is owned by Heinz and it is made in Holland, there are so many foods that we thought were made by the name on the bottle etc aren't any more.
Not that the quality is any the less, one day we will find eggs are no longer produced by chickens, then what will we do?
One last word, I see they are saying the country is awash with turkey from Italy, our own market has sort of died, I know some of the frozen ones which are very good and only cost a fraction of a homegrown one, come from France, well do they feed them like we do, can't tell, but if I was short of a bob or two I would plump for one of them.
I was looking at the M&S catalogue for christmas, well if you do your christmas shopping in M&S the household charge won't bother you.
Tesco for next Christmas? Have a jolly good time, Foxy

Deskjockey

I am going in hunger strike until we get a Tesco or m&s into Kilkenny .....Or maybe I'll just shop in Supervalu/ Lidl/ Aldi

Seriously does Kilkenny really need another supermarket FFS

hi5

Tesco don't charge for parking, that wouldn't go down well in Kilkenny, either with the council or Dunnes.

wellboytoo

Threadhead wrote: »

We're currently the only county in Ireland without a Tesco.

Tesco would definitely be very welcome for jobs. But I'm genuinely wondering here, is the service provided by Tesco that much different to what we get from all the other supermarkets in town? Or is it just a case of having even more choice?

Theres four of them within 3 miles of Waterford City, your missing nothing Guys keep it local, and forget them, though they will come in eventually.

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wellboytoo wrote: »

Theres four of them within 3 miles of Waterford City, your missing nothing Guys keep it local, and forget them, though they will come in eventually.

Four? Jeese no wonder Dunnes ran a mile form the Ferrybank white elephant so

foxcoverteddy

In truth it has very little to do with shopping and how much it costs, well our local supervalu runs these campaigns telling us same price as Dunnes, Tesco, Lidl or Aldi whichever is the flavour of the month.
Sometimes price is not the criteria, there is a fundamental thing about us we do not like to be dictated too, without dragging politics and religion into the equation.
Kilkenny council is fairly low on human nature, they should hire a specialist in human nature, we do not enjoy watching kilkenny people going to these othe Tesco's to shop when we could have our very own and the money staying local, because if you go to these other places the chances are you will do some shopping at stores other than Tesco.
So the thick heads at the council are taking money out of the mouths of the local shopkeepers and as a result are making the jobs situation worse than it is, not a bad slogan Kilkenny the place for lost jobs.
I have to tell you this as a devout shopper I do try and get as much in Callan, this means I support the local Friday Fish man, okay the fish is brilliant, the other Friday I paid with a fifty euro note, not that I get many of them, having spent nearly fifteen euro I had thirtyfive in change, being careful i wrapped them together and put them in my wallet.
I made my last stop at Tops in West Street, and looked very carefully for the money, gone, where i had no idea, it was supposed to be safe in the wallet.
Today, well just now I was in tops and said to Carmel i am beinbg very careful putting my card away having lost 35 euro the other week, hold on she said and hey presto out came the 35euro, i had dropped it in the shop, a young girl found it and handed it in to Carmel.
Isn't that a lovely story we have two super honest people and if you think no one is that honest with money so tight, well you are wrong, I have nothing but admiration for such people, it is a pleasure to know them, and a heartfelt thanks.
Do have a lovely christmas.

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Tesco are absolutely gunning to get into the city, seen as towns one tenth of it's size now have stores!
The discouters have made serious inroads since opening 4 stores strategically around Kilkenny.

hi5

So how did the four discounters manage to get permission when Tesco can't?


I rekon Angela Merkel had something to do with it, LOL.

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hi5 wrote: »

So how did the four discounters manage to get permission when Tesco can't?


I rekon Angela Merkel had something to do with it, LOL.

They were located in suitable sites and in suitable areas so there was no reason why they shouldn't have got permission even going by KK Council's rigid planning.

foxcoverteddy

I personally think there is more in this than meets the eye, in all honesty can one say the Aldi store on the Waterford road is an ideal spot, if traffic density ever increases then one might just see the folly of allowing Aldi to build there.
I gather there are going to be major changes at Supervalu down the road, which should be interesting.
Tesco on the Loughboy estate would be almost ideal, the roads are already there so no major intertuption, though I still consider that not having a roundabout on the ring road by "Woodies" is as usual bad planning by the council. Why does traffic have to come all the way to the Waterford Road, putting undue pressure on that roundabout which is normally a busy junction.
Why the council will not allow Tesco is the question that needs to be answered, whether, well there is a demand, there is also a cost saving to families who as one poster said are travelling to Carlow, Clonmel, New ross and Waterford. It is money going elsewhere, jobs going elsewhere, it on reflection maybe the fact that the council is not going to get parking money.
You know what they say "Every little helps", except in Kilkenny

hi5

According to this planning map from 2002 the Aldi site on the Waterford rd was originally zoned residential.

http://www.kilkennycoco.ie/resources/eng/Services/Planning/DevelopmentPlans/Figure%209.1.pdf

There are huge areas of residential zoning that are never going to happen now.
I notice that much of hebron beside the other Aldi and opposite the graveyard is zoned mixed use.

earlytobed

I was working around Waterford recentlyand noticed there are four Tesco there - Polberry, Lisduggan, Ballybeg and the one beside Next off the ring road as well as one in Tramore.
Very strange that they were unable to build one somewhere in Kilkenny.
Then again it took Dunnes many years to get a store here.

foxcoverteddy

I am still amazed as to why Kilkenny CoCo has a down on Tesco, I think as those responsible for electing these poor misguided souls, we should be allowed into their inner sanctum to find out why we cannot shop in our town at Tesco.
Come to think of it, why haven't we got M&S, Iceland, Debenhams, Iceland and even Shaw's, if one wants to be bloody minded we could add Homebase, B&Q, apparently we nearly had Harvey norman.
Think about it we really do not have a large shop other than Dunnes, we as Kilkenny people are forced to shop elsewhere, why.
You cannot call Kilkenny poor by any stretch of the imagination, after all we are going to have the magic mile, which is to resemble the famous Princes Street in Edinburgh.
So what can we offer the tourists, no Tesco, no nothing just a jumble of small shops, whose prices often need to be seen to be believed.
What has this to do with Tesco, well a great deal if we get Tesco then other's are bound to follow, though with Kilkenny coco that is probably a great doubt.
Perhaps it is time to change Kilkenny CoCo, Carlow CoCo seems much more progressive.
Ponder on this and enjoy your christmas even if you travelled far and wide to find Tesco.

fabbydabby

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Come to think of it, why haven't we got M&S, Iceland, Debenhams, Iceland and even Shaw's, .

Not to mention Iceland!