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A Question on Rules

  • 23-03-2009 10:36am
    #1
    Repolho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭


    A question on the rules for all you rugby experts.

    I know you are not allowed charge down a penalty, but are you allowed stop it from going over the crossbar?

    Stephen Jones is not the longest of Kickers so I was wondering in Sat as he lined up the kick could we have set up our lineout lifters & jumpers to try and catch the ball if it (in reach obviously) was going over?


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  • #2
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Ireland and/or Leinster used to do that - I think it was Victor Costello that would have another player on his shoulders standing in front of the posts. Not sure if they changed the law on that though since.


  • #3
    RuggieBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    not allowed do it anymore. john eales did it a few times with lifters


  • #4
    Serenity Now!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Serenity Now!


    Repolho wrote: »
    Stephen Jones is not the longest of Kickers
    Where are people getting this from??? Wales' second score was from 49m and a little wider an angle than the last kick of the game. :rolleyes:


  • #5
    donnchadhc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭donnchadhc


    Serenity Now! wrote: »
    Where are people getting this from??? Wales' second score was from 49m and a little wider an angle than the last kick of the game. :rolleyes:

    I think people have Henson in mind with this one, he has the longer boot. However it should have been in Jones range, but it was a tired kick. Just goes to show what 80 mins in a test match can do to even the fittest of professionals! :eek: By the way, the laws are that you can charge down a conversion but you can't charge down a penalty. The IRB just clarified the interpretation to mean something more akin to "interfereing" with a peno.


  • #6
    Blisterman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    When is it no longer considered charging a kick in general, and becomes a knock on? When the ball starts it's downwards projectory?


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  • #7
    kevmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭kevmy


    Also can someone tell me why more people don't go for a drop kick conversion? I mean if you get a try right under the posts in a tight match surely a drop kick conversion would be a handy way to get an extra point. Is it because it would be charged down?


  • #8
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    You don't get an extra point for drop-kicking a conversion.


  • #9
    Repolho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Repolho


    Serenity Now! wrote: »
    Where are people getting this from??? Wales' second score was from 49m and a little wider an angle than the last kick of the game. :rolleyes:

    I've no stats or anything to back it up, but Wales have used Henson and Halfpenny to take on some of the longer kicks this season.


  • #10
    Eoin
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    Repolho wrote: »
    I've no stats or anything to back it up, but Wales have used Henson and Halfpenny to take on some of the longer kicks this season.

    Yep, Henson has a long boot, but I'd say Jones gets the first refusal as he is the main kicker. He nailed two kicks that were in the same range in the first half. Apparently Henson didn't feel up to it either.


  • #11
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    kevmy wrote: »
    Also can someone tell me why more people don't go for a drop kick conversion? I mean if you get a try right under the posts in a tight match surely a drop kick conversion would be a handy way to get an extra point. Is it because it would be charged down?

    You still only get two points for a drop kicked conversion. Though why teams don't do it more often when they're trying to get multiple scores and time is not on their side is beyond me.


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  • #12
    ScholesyIsGod
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    Because it takes hardly no time at all to set the ball on a tee and slot it over, plus you're not going to be trying to drop kick it over if you score a try in the corner.


  • #13
    barnesd
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    Kickers still tee it up in front of the posts because repeatability is one of the most important things to a kicker. They want the exact same motion for every single kick, and obviously you aren't going to get this if you're dropping your conversions. If you're really short of time and in front of the posts then drop it by all means but otherwise they're better of with a tee.


  • #14
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    barnesd wrote: »
    Kickers still tee it up in front of the posts because repeatability is one of the most important things to a kicker. They want the exact same motion for every single kick, and obviously you aren't going to get this if you're dropping your conversions. If you're really short of time and in front of the posts then drop it by all means but otherwise they're better of with a tee.

    I get that, but I've seen teams 2/3/4 points down having just scored a try near the posts and they go through the whole rigamarole for the conversion, which can take up to almost a minute with some of them. I'm just surprised that its almost never done (I've never seen it at any rate).


  • #15
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    I've seen it done a couple of times when there are a few minutes left and a team has to rack up a score. One of the times our kicker rushed it and missed the conversion altogether. Not only did we not get a score after that, but the missed conversion cost us a losing bonus point.


  • #16
    Serenity Now!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Serenity Now!


    Repolho wrote: »
    I've no stats or anything to back it up, but Wales have used Henson and Halfpenny to take on some of the longer kicks this season.

    Henson's long range abilities still don't explain this silly alleged lack of range regarding Stephen Jones (despite his 49m effort in the same game)


  • #17
    donnchadhc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭donnchadhc


    Blisterman wrote: »
    When is it no longer considered charging a kick in general, and becomes a knock on? When the ball starts it's downwards projectory?

    Pretty much, but its got a lot to do with ref's discretion. When its falling down you're trying to catch the ball (so you can knock it on), whereas when its on its way up your blocking a kick.


  • #18
    Repolho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Repolho


    Serenity Now! wrote: »
    Henson's long range abilities still don't explain this silly alleged lack of range regarding Stephen Jones (despite his 49m effort in the same game)

    I didn't say he had only a short range, I merely said that he wasn't the longest of kickers.

    Perhaps if I rephrase it to say that as he was approaching the limit of his range at 48-49m?


  • #19
    Ulstermell0
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    Serenity Now! wrote: »
    Henson's long range abilities still don't explain this silly alleged lack of range regarding Stephen Jones (despite his 49m effort in the same game)

    As Jones lined up for the kick a wales fan tapped my dad on the shoulder offered his hand and said 'well done, you've won. Jones hasn't got the range for this.' his comments throughout the game were pretty spot on as well.


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