ROH TV

Bubs101

Will anybody else be going out of there way to start watching this, either living in the states or getting tapes of "cousins"? I'm quite looking forward to it because TNA has gone to the absolute ****ter so this will be a good alternative. Have never given Ring of Honor a shot before because I've found it quite hard to get into but with the first 6 shows designed as an introduction I'm thinking this is the ideal place to start.

ShawnRaven

I've tried on several occasions to get into ROH over the course of 5 years. But there's zero atmosphere to anything i've watched of theirs. Hard to get an atmosphere in a hotel conference room with about 50-75 people in attendance.

So yeah, this one gets a zero interest from me.

Machismo Fan

I watched their first show today and found it rather underwhelming. Their World champ was no where to be seen and the show itself didn't really stand out. It was very similar to the NWA's TV show.

chopperbyrne

I'll be interested to see if their wrestlers can work TV matches and how the story element will be handled.

Edit: No world champ on their first show. What are they thinking?

gimmick

Eventually I will start watching, but I am only as far as June 08 ROH wise at the moment so will wait until I am more up to date. And given my general apathy toward ROH at the moment, that is going to take a long time.

TBH, I am not sure that ROH is suited to TV. TV wants short matches. The reason I got into ROH is because of the longer matches where you can see the wrestlers really show you what they are made of.

So for now, I will go with none of the above and say MEH.

EdK

ROH champion Nigel McGuinness is in rough shape as it's believed he's now suffered torn biceps in both arms. As I said on my PWInsider.com Elite Hotline last night, the man is a warrior to the nth degree for being able to put out the type of match he had with KENTA over the weekend. In my mind, he's already wrestler of the year as he went out with two injured arms, one of which he shouldn't even be able to lift over his head, and put together one of the best matches in ROH NYC history. KENTA deserves a ton of credit as well as if he wasn't such a great worker, it never would have happened either. After the match, McGuinness was in really rough shape backstage and there are a lot of people concerned about his well being. The belief is he'll tough it through the Texas PPV weekend before taking time off, but we'll see. As I said, the man is a warrior and I hope ROH realizes how truly lucky they are to have him on their roster, because the performance he put on this past weekend was one for the ages.

Colt Cabana and Jimmy Rave's returns were not one-time deals and they'll be back. Cabana's return was the biggest reaction to anything all night, even the announcement of ROH bringing Ric Flair to the Hammerstein Ballroom on 6/13.

In a frightening moment, Necro Butcher sliced open his foot doing a dive off the top rope when he caught his foot on the sharp edge of the ROH sign on the barricade. Amazingly, he called for tape and continued the bout. I am told he was OK after the bout.

Julius Smokes was backstage in New York City shooting promos.

Former ROH champion Xavier and Mega, who worked some of the early ROH events in Philadelphia, were visiting at the NYC event.

Bobby Dempsey is working on an injured wrist

Ring Of Honor news and notes from PW insider

flahavaj

ShawnRaven wrote: »

in a hotel conference room with about 50-75 people in attendance.

Complete exaggeration here.^ ^ ^:eek:

I'll give these shows a look at least, but I'm not sure how their style will translate to TV.

Fozzy

I'll get around to watching them at some stage. The word is that HDnet are really into working with ROH and want to make them one of the main attractions on their channel. It sounds like it'll be a good relationship between them

I believe that the idea of not having Nigel on their first show is that they want to build up to his appearance, make him look more special by not putting him out there immediately. I wouldn't call it a bad idea. If you're a first time viewer and you're undecided about the first show then maybe you'll give it another shot to see their best wrestler

ShawnRaven

flahavaj wrote: »

Complete exaggeration here.^ ^ ^:eek:

I'll give these shows a look at least, but I'm not sure how their style will translate to TV.

Didn't see Manhattan Mayhem 04 then?
Fat Joe in front of a hotel ballroom filled with about 75 people max. Tragic.

EdK

To be fair that was 5 years ago

ShawnRaven

EdK wrote: »

To be fair that was 5 years ago

Absolutely! It reminds me of ECW.
It sucked back in the day, and it sucks now.

flahavaj

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Didn't see Manhattan Mayhem 04 then?
Fat Joe in front of a hotel ballroom filled with about 75 people max. Tragic.

Manhattan Mayhem drew a live crowd of 700-800, it was standing room only on the night. I did a little search of the subject earlier, (I can put the links up later if you like). Surely you of all people shoud know that pulling figures out of your ass just to suit your argument isn't really on? This isn't IWA-MS we're talking about here!;)

I'm not trying to argue with your opinion of ROH,and i realise that 700-800 isn't exactly going to have Vince quaking in his boots and I realise too that I'm in the minority in actually being a fan and thats fine and dandy, (i'm not one of those irritating bots that takes every criticism of the company as a personal slight, it is what it is a niche product that appeals to a small fanbase), but thats not the issue here. I mean, if a moderator can't stick to the facts than what hope do any of us have?:)

Diabhal Beag

ROH snobby fans were enough to put me off. They were the most annoying dicks ever, especially in NYC

Can't fault the wrestling, some of the best you will see this side of Japan

gimmick

^ People who allow that happen really do puzzle me. I agree many of the bots can be complete over the top muppets, but why should that stop you from enjoying the product?

If they infuriate people that much, they just need not go near the roh forum as that is where the vast majority of the blagarding happens anyway.

ShawnRaven

flahavaj wrote: »

Manhattan Mayhem drew a live crowd of 700-800, it was standing room only on the night. I did a little search of the subject earlier, (I can put the links up later if you like). Surely you of all people shoud know that pulling figures out of your ass just to suit your argument isn't really on? This isn't IWA-MS we're talking about here!;)

I'm not trying to argue with your opinion of ROH,and i realise that 700-800 isn't exactly going to have Vince quaking in his boots and I realise too that I'm in the minority in actually being a fan and thats fine and dandy, (i'm not one of those irritating bots that takes every criticism of the company as a personal slight, it is what it is a niche product that appeals to a small fanbase), but thats not the issue here. I mean, if a moderator can't stick to the facts than what hope do any of us have?:)

Hang on... so you're saying that just because I was given a moderator position, that I should be more politically correct in my statements and change my opinions on a promotion I never cared about? I can assure you that's now how it works, and if i did do that, PW would be a pretty boring place to read!

It's not a case of sticking to the facts. I'm hardly going to go google searching to get facts on a product I couldn't give two craps about. I don't know about you pal, but i've better things to be doing with my time.

With Manhattan Mayhem, I'm sorry, but the on the DVD, it looks a LOT smaller than 700 odd people there, so a slight exaggeration is definitely in order.

gimmick

The DVD angle does make it look like the attendence is pretty paltry alright, so one must assume the majority are at the hard side of the camera.

ShawnRaven

gimmick wrote: »

The DVD angle does make it look like the attendence is pretty paltry alright, so one must assume the majority are at the hard side of the camera.

Thank you!
I guess ROH needed a few lessons in Production Values 101 back then.

gimmick

I know it is something that is a big deal to you, but production values generally come second to me behind solid work rate.

That being said, very bad values make things hard to watch, the likes of WLW and other crap on TWC during its run in to death.

To contradict myself, I love PWG, whose production values are pretty poor.

ShawnRaven

gimmick wrote: »

I know it is something that is a big deal to you, but production values generally come second to me behind solid work rate.

That being said, very bad values make things hard to watch, the likes of WLW and other crap on TWC during its run in to death.

To contradict myself, I love PWG, whose production values are pretty poor.

It's not so much that they're a big deal to me, because they're not. But at least hold the damn camera straight.

I hate the current WWE setup with PPVs and RAW venues lit up like a f*cking christmas tree. That's why i went back to watching the 84-92 setups, with basic lighting, zero pyro, no entrance ways, and big screens were only available during big PPVs.

Watching a WWE DVD, there's an atmosphere to it, watching a ROH DVD, especially that particular Manhattan Mayhem, it had about the same atmosphere you had if you invaded a private party.

I can understand how it can do it for some, but it's just not for me.

Fozzy

gimmick wrote: »

I know it is something that is a big deal to you, but production values generally come second to me behind solid work rate.

That being said, very bad values make things hard to watch, the likes of WLW and other crap on TWC during its run in to death.

To contradict myself, I love PWG, whose production values are pretty poor.

The tv show is meant to have great production as it was a HDnet camera crew who worked the event, and they were asking the wrestlers questions before the show so that they could do the best job possible

I haven't seen any clips of it yet, but I've seen MMA shows that HDnet have filmed and there should be a noticeable change

flahavaj

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Hang on... so you're saying that just because I was given a moderator position, that I should be more politically correct in my statements and change my opinions on a promotion I never cared about? I can assure you that's now how it works, and if i did do that, PW would be a pretty boring place to read!

It's not a case of sticking to the facts. I'm hardly going to go google searching to get facts on a product I couldn't give two craps about. I don't know about you pal, but i've better things to be doing with my time.

With Manhattan Mayhem, I'm sorry, but the on the DVD, it looks a LOT smaller than 700 odd people there, so a slight exaggeration is definitely in order.

Not at all, be as politically incorrect as you like man! But in fairness if you are going to talk a product you couldn't give two craps abput and obviously know little or nothing about, then yes, you should research your facts more carefully. If it was a factual inaccuracy that had been posted about a subject in whuch you're knowledgeable such as a WWE event, you'd be the first man to pounce on the mistake: I'm sure you have no problem if the tables are turned this one time.:)

ShawnRaven

flahavaj wrote: »

Not at all, be as politically incorrect as you like man! But in fairness if you are going to talk a product you couldn't give two craps abput and obviously know little or nothing about, then yes, you should research your facts more carefully. If it was a factual inaccuracy that had been posted about a subject in whuch you're knowledgeable such as a WWE event, you'd be the first man to pounce on the mistake: I'm sure you have no problem if the tables are turned this one time.:)

I'm not so sure, i never was the one who went around all over the place looking for attendance. And as gimmick said, the DVD looks very poorly attended from the angle it was shot at.

Or maybe you didn't watch the DVD and are just itching for an argument. If you've watched the DVD and you'd understand exactly where i'm coming from and would have corrected me in a less smartarsed way.

So have you actually watched the DVD?

flahavaj

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I'm not so sure, i never was the one who went around all over the place looking for attendance. And as gimmick said, the DVD looks very poorly attended from the angle it was shot at.

Or maybe you didn't watch the DVD and are just itching for an argument. If you've watched the DVD and you'd understand exactly where i'm coming from and would have corrected me in a less smartarsed way.

So have you actually watched the DVD?

Its probably in my top ten ROH shows of all time, unlike many ROH shows its properly built and flows so so well. To be honest I don't recall ever watching a ROH show that looked like it had an attendance of 75 on DVD and I've seen the vast majority of them. Especially Manhatten Mayhem, the crowd was HOT and particularly raucous that night for a variety of reasons.

Look I'm not trying to pick a fight. I knew for a fact when I read your post that ROH have bever drawn near as low a number as 75, especially for one of their best shows ever in what at the time was their largest venue before they moved to the Hammerstein as their New York base. In fact if they were drawing that number in 2005, theres no way in hell they'd even be around today.The whole tone of your own post was pretty vehement in stating that as a fact (on fact you said it twice and seemed to base your whole reason for hating ROH around it)and I was just pointing out that you were wrong, something I'm surely entitled to do. The whole mentioning you as a mod was maybe unnecessary, but in fairness as a mod it is incumbent upon yourself to call on people to back up statements with sources if needed, especially when they're in dispute as they have been here and a quick search on your part could have sorted that out.

At the end of the day, you were basing your statement on an assumption you got from a DVD, whereas mine is based on fact. So lets just forget about it, move on and get back on topic, eh?

ShawnRaven

flahavaj wrote: »

Its probably in my top ten ROH shows of all time, unlike many ROH shows its properly built and flows so so well. To be honest I don't recall ever watching a ROH show that looked like it had an attendance of 75 on DVD and I've seen the vast majority of them. Especially Manhatten Mayhem, the crowd was HOT and particularly raucous that night for a variety of reasons.

Be that as it may, through these eyes, it still looked like a poorly attended show, and obviously it's not through my eyes alone as others have stated it too. And to me, it looked like it had zero atmosphere.

Look I'm not trying to pick a fight. I knew for a fact when I read your post that ROH have bever drawn near as low a number as 75, especially for one of their best shows ever in what at the time was their largest venue before they moved to the Hammerstein as their New York base. In fact if they were drawing that number in 2005, theres no way in hell they'd even be around today.The whole tone of your own post was pretty vehement in stating that as a fact (on fact you said it twice and seemed to base your whole reason for hating ROH around it)and I was just pointing out that you were wrong, something I'm surely entitled to do. The whole mentioning you as a mod was maybe unnecessary, but in fairness as a mod it is incumbent upon yourself to call on people to back up statements with sources if needed, especially when they're in dispute as they have been here and a quick search on your part could have sorted that out.

Not once did i ever say that it was in actual fact, I went on what i saw on their own DVD production (which they also use to give off a general impression of the company, and quite honestly, it was an awful one at that). If i'm wrong, fair enough. It wouldn't be the first time and you sure as hell won't be the last one to tell me so either. But the way you went about it sure was ROHbot like. And given the debates we've had in the past, I found it quite disappointing. Being a moderator wasn't even an issue, until you made it one.

At the end of the day, you were basing your statement on an assumption you got from a DVD, whereas mine is based on fact. So lets just forget about it, move on and get back on topic, eh?

I've no problem admitting this, but as i said earlier, a badly produced (and shot) DVD is what most people are liable to get their impression of the promotion from. So nobody could blame me (or anyone else for that matter) for forming that opinion.

PM me if you want to delve further into this.

dez_warlock

Just finished watching this and thought it was only okay.

The crowd seemed pretty dead for the most part and I'm not too impressed with the new commentator but hopefully that'll improve with time.

It's good that they have a weekly show to follow though and the new production values give a good professional look to it. So is Jerry Lynn back full time?

dez_warlock

I just caught the next two episodes of this and I'm not sure I like it.

The new commentator is pretty annoying with has lack of knowledge on any moves and the crowd seems SO dead. I'm not sure if all these episodes were taped back to back but there's no atmosphere at all!

It's disappointing as I expected an all-out action packed hour of solid wrestling.

flahavaj

dez_warlock wrote: »

I just caught the next two episodes of this and I'm not sure I like it.

The new commentator is pretty annoying with has lack of knowledge on any moves and the crowd seems SO dead. I'm not sure if all these episodes were taped back to back but there's no atmosphere at all!

It's disappointing as I expected an all-out action packed hour of solid wrestling.

First 6 were recorded in one show. Reviews have been mixed. I really am sorry Gabe never got the chance to book the TV shows, I'd be intrigued to see what he'd have done with them. Pearce, less so.:(

OrtonViper

Anyone see Danielson vs. Aries? What a match!

flahavaj

OrtonViper wrote: »

Anyone see Danielson vs. Aries? What a match!

Its always goos sh*t when those boys hook up. They've had many matches but never a poor one. Hell, never even a mediocre one. Aries' new moustache is awesome too.

OrtonViper

Yeah. Matches like Danielson vs. Aries, Danielosn vs. McGuiness and Aries vs. Jacobs, etc are the bees kness. It's matches like that, that give me hope that one day wrestlers like Cena/Batista/Big Show won't be main event wrestlers in the WWE. It's people like them that put me off wrestling but then when I saw Danielson vs. Aries (ecven though one could say it wasn't great giving how unbelievable there matches have been in the past) it reminded me why I watch wrestling.

gimmick

OrtonViper wrote: »

Yeah. Matches like Danielson vs. Aries, Danielosn vs. McGuiness and Aries vs. Jacobs, etc are the bees kness.

I am only just getting to the start of the Aries Jacobs feud at the moment (DBDVII) so cannot comment on that, but the other two you mentioned are always fantastic matches. Dragon & Aries series in 2007 was ridiculous it was so good, and even when they tag together there is always a great match.

Ditto Danielson Nigel is always great also, same for Aries Nigel.

It is matches like those which make ROH the best promotion in America for work rate.