Song title spellings

implausible

Am mortified having to check this (did Irish in college), but can anyone tell me if I have the names of these songs spelled correctly? Am going googly-eyed trying to finish this wedding booklet

Ag Críost an tSíol (even though I know this isn't the tuiseal ginideach)
Ar Éirinn ní n-eosfainn cé hí

I've seen that many spellings of them, I'm going demented

Thanks

Lughaidh_Sheáin

The first one looks odd:

if "an tSíol" is in the genitive, it should be "an tSíl". If it is in the nominative, it should be "an Síol".

What does "Ag Críost an tSíol" would mean? At the Christ of the seed?

Ar Éirinn ní neosfainn cé hí.

neosfainn is a Munster variant of "d'inseoinn" (=I would tell).

byhookorbycrook

What does "Ag Críost an tSíol" would mean? At the Christ of the seed?

It is usually translated as "To Christ, the seed",so it is, ag Críost an tsíol

MathsManiac

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

What does "Ag Críost an tSíol" would mean? At the Christ of the seed?

It is usually translated as "To Christ, the seed",so it is, ag Críost an tsíol

That doesn't follow. If it means this (as indeed I agree it does, more or less) then it's in the tuiseal ainmneach, and being firinscneach, it's "an síol". I've never seen this written with a "t", and I don't see any reason to insert one.

And if you were to do so, you'd surely also have to change "an fómhar", "an mhuir" and "an t-iasc", which are all in the tuiseal ainmneach.

MathsManiac

It just occurs to me that someone might read "To Christ, the seed" as "To Christ (who is) the seed", in which case there might be an argument for tuiseal tabharthach (which would still not give it a "t" and would still mess up the other three phrases). However, I think this would be an unusual interpretation. When people offer "To Christ, the seed" as the translation of "Ag Críost an síol" they intend, as I understand it: "Let the seed be offered/assigned/attributed to Christ". However, one could also, I think, interpret the phrase to mean "The seed is of Christ".

Múinteoir

Google is your friend!

See here and here and here and here and here

Although being on the internet doesn't mean something is correct, the fact that there are so many examples of the lyrics which all have it as Ag Críost an Síol, means you can probably take it as correct.

implausible

Lughaidh_Sheáin wrote: »

neosfainn is a Munster variant of "d'inseoinn" (=I would tell).

Never knew that! I thought it was Old Irish, thanks.

MathsManiac wrote: »

it's in the tuiseal ainmneach, and being firinscneach, it's "an síol".

And if you were to do so, you'd surely also have to change "an fómhar", "an mhuir" and "an t-iasc", which are all in the tuiseal ainmneach.

Yeah, makes sense! Thanks a million guys. Now to get this bloody thing finished:eek: