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Why wont Richard Dawkins debate William Lane Craig
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18-03-2009 6:18pm#1
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This is why, according to the man himself:
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=73020&start=25#p1768570
Note: "Banana man" refers to Mr. Comfort. For more info see:
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A couple of comments3 - God explains objective moral values.
This is ludicrously simple. The universe does not have objective moral values.
Interestingly, Dawkins appears to consider otherwise. In his recent book, The God Delusion, he cites an interesting scientific experiment in which people of varying cultures and backgrounds were posed with moral-dilemma style questions which had been specifically constructed to sidestep influences arising from a persons religion, politics, social standing, cultural background, education etc, etc. What was found was that folk the world over share a common morality-thus-stripped-down. That extended even to primative tribes with minimal/no exposure to modern mores.
I'm sure Richard didn't conclude God from those findings however..4 - God is the best explanation for the events in the Bible.
Occams Razor would direct us towards a conclusion that primitive superstitious people created primitive superstitious stories, rather than their far fetched claims being completely accurate.
The fact that William of Ockham was a Christian indicates you to be wielding his razor somewhat inexpertly.5 - God can be immediately known and experienced.
People can experience all sorts of strange things that are generated by the brain. It is far more reasonable to conclude that these experiences are mundane rather than proof of the existence of a supernatural entity that created the universe.
You mentioned "baseless assumptions" when referring to weaknesses you suppose in William Lanes case earlier. Yet you engage in baseless assumption yourself in response?
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To be fair to old Bill, we have a little more information at our disposal than he did in the 14th century. Maybe if he wielded it today he might have concluded differently.antiskeptic wrote: »The fact that William of Ockham was a Christian indicates you to be wielding his razor somewhat inexpertly. 0 -
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This is why, according to the man himself:
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=73020&start=25#p1768570
Note: "Banana man" refers to Mr. Comfort. For more info see:
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interestingly, aside from the fact that the common banana is a mutant species of the genus Musa that humans cultivated and kept alive, it is actually easier to open a banana from the non-tabbed end. Try it next time, or watch a monkey eating a banana at the zoo, they seem to know how to eat them better than us. It is really only due to our cultural conditioning that we see a handle end and assume that's where we must open it from.antiskeptic wrote: »What was found was that folk the world over share a common morality-thus-stripped-down. That extended even to primative tribes with minimal/no exposure to modern mores.
having a common morality does not equal a universal objective morality.0 -
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antiskeptic wrote: »Interestingly, Dawkins appears to consider otherwise. In his recent book, The God Delusion, he cites an interesting scientific experiment in which people of varying cultures and backgrounds were posed with moral-dilemma style questions which had been specifically constructed to sidestep influences arising from a persons religion, politics, social standing, cultural background, education etc, etc. What was found was that folk the world over share a common morality-thus-stripped-down. That extended even to primative tribes with minimal/no exposure to modern mores.
The fact that we have an evolutionary bias towards certain modes of behaviour and thinking in no way means that objective moral values exist.The fact that William of Ockham was a Christian indicates you to be wielding his razor somewhat inexpertly.
I don't know much about the man himself, but as Dades says, we have access to more information than he does. And he may have just been using double-think. You can't argue someone out of a position with logic if they didn't use logic to get themselves there in the first place, and he was, presumably, indoctrinated as a child. *checks wiki* Yes, indoctrinated as a child.
Anyway, many of the basic principles of logic were first proposed by ancient Greek scholars, but that by no means implies we need to accept their belief in Zeus to apply those principles.You mentioned "baseless assumptions" when referring to weaknesses you suppose in William Lanes case earlier. Yet you engage in baseless assumption yourself in response?
It's not a baseless assumption, it's a more likely explanation given what we know about how ideas/stories spread and change, how people rationalise the world around them and events they don't understand.0 -
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Genghiz Cohen wrote: »(If there are any artists with 10 mins to spare, a seal of the blood god (Make it red and cool) would be most appreciated)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4
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