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Will either the Miz or Jo Mo become serious main event players?

  • 13-03-2009 3:48pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭


    I like this tag team, but realistically, the day will come when they go their separate ways, and the spotlight will fall on their individual careers. The Miz, who was incredibly hated, when he debuted, has improved particularly, and is the heel magnet of the duo. He unlike John goes out of his way to get the crowd boo him, which as a heel is his main responsibility. The problems however despite his promo abilities and his wrestling skills improving, some doubt he has the credibility needed to main event a ppv. Morrison on the other hand, ring wise is another level to Miz. The new HBK moniker won’t leave him, and it’s easy to see why. He has the look, the in ring ability, but and this is a major but he does not get half the reaction that Miz does from the crowd. He will always be loved by the internet, but has he enough skills to get himself over as either main event face or heel in the long run? Over to you folks!

    Which of the incrowd is destined for bigger things? 45 votes

    Just The Miz.....
    0% 0 votes
    John Morrison only....
    2% 1 vote
    Both are destined for the main event!
    84% 38 votes
    Neither will ever escape the midcard....
    13% 6 votes


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    I have championed the Miz since he appeared on TV but putting him beside Morrison shows up his limitations in the ring a little. I predict the Miz will carve out a little Christian-esque niche for himself when they break up.

    As for Morrison, if his last name was Orton he'd have a few reigns already. Has proven himself at every level, 100% should have won MITB this year I predict he'll beat Taker's streak at WM26


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't see Miz ever being a serious main eventer, for some reason. Just don't think he will. Can't pinpoint why i think that, exactly, though. I think Brian Kendrick (not ANY Brian Kendrick though, THE Brian Kendrick) would be a fantastic short term/transitional Heavyweight champion, so it's not a case of Miz being too small. I just don't see him in the main event picture.



    Morrison, however, i reckon will be pushed up sometime in the near-future. Crowd reaction doesn't matter really. Once forced into the main event, people will react. Positively, Negatively.. doesn't matter. It's not difficult to turn him heel if he doesn't get a good face reaction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    I can't see Miz in the main event at all, Morrison yes, but not Miz.
    I still can't burn out the horrible wannabe promos from his Real World days, believe me, i've tried.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    I think Morrisson will go the HBK route. He will be the star after the team goes its seperate ways, most likely as a heel before eventually becoming top face in around 5 or 6 years. The only thing he lacks at the moment is charisma on the mic. I like his ability, and he definitely has a good look.

    The only pitfall I see for him is the "wellness program" as he is a tad too ripped. But I am sure there are ways around that....

    As for Miz, i reckon probably the Christain route. Will flirt with the main event, but never actually break through into it on a permanent basis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Don't see Miz ever being a serious main eventer, for some reason. Just don't think he will. Can't pinpoint why i think that, exactly, though. I think Brian Kendrick (not ANY Brian Kendrick though, THE Brian Kendrick) would be a fantastic short term/transitional Heavyweight champion, so it's not a case of Miz being too small. I just don't see him in the main event picture.



    Morrison, however, i reckon will be pushed up sometime in the near-future. Crowd reaction doesn't matter really. Once forced into the main event, people will react. Positively, Negatively.. doesn't matter. It's not difficult to turn him heel if he doesn't get a good face reaction.

    Firstly on the TBK, I do agree although I do wish he would stop smoking pot. The Big Zeke experiment looks to have stalled, so where that leaves TBK, who knows. Morrison needs a big storyline when he does leave the Miz and even then if he is to visit the main event, Vince will have to ram him down our throats, none of this hearted pushes he done last year with punk.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    In fairness to them, they're the most over act in the whole company so I wouldn't be in any hurry to break them up


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    I can't see the Miz headlining a major PPV.
    I can see Morrison doing it, but only once he starts eating properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    I don't see Miz going on to be a main-eventer, I don't think he has enough ability in the ring. The Miz and Morrison are the perfect comibnation as they both make up for each others shortcomings - What Morrison lacks in charisma Miz makes up for and what Miz lacks in wrestling ability Morrison makes up for. So it is difficult to know how well they'll do in singles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    They will be a tag team for a good while yet. Shouldn't break it up until it becomes stale although seeming as they're already World Tag Team champs and may have the opportunity to become undisputed at WM i can't see what else they can do. Can't think of any other face tag teams who can challenge realistically at present although i'd have Cryme Time challenge and lose to them after they are done with the Colons.

    As for breaking them up, the last few months things have been running great for them and they show off their acolades every chance they get. If things were to go downhill for them and they lose everything they have won recently, even their slammys (stolen or something), there's ample tension generated for the two egomaniacs.

    I think the current set up of the tag team is owing to Miz getting more reaction than Morrison. The Miz is the louder more buffoonish heel while Morrison is more a thinking and intellectual heel. I, like many others before have written, don't see Miz as main event. Not in his current gimmick, maybe not in any gimmick. He's over as a heel with the kids right now and has the potential to expand that into the wider audience but he will always be midcard.

    Morrison, again as many others seem to agree, has the looks, skill, gimmick with potential etc. He's problems with getting over though and probably will do for as long as he's tagged up. Even when he goes single he may suffer the same problem. My own solution for him to get over and on to the main event scene is HBK. If a good feud with HBK can't get him over as a main eventer then maybe for the next 2 or 3 years he will be midcard and perhaps over as such. If they try a face route with him then i guess he could start off with Kendrick. It will be harder to get him over as face than heel as it is with most wrestlers. That's with the men of course because i guarantee Morrison will be over with the female audience as a face no bother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,027 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    After seeing Miz on ECW this week he has improved soooo much..and also the heat he gets..and his mic skills i think he can be a main eventer..Morrison can too for his in ring skills alone..His mic skills arent great though tbf


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Jolt2007


    The Miz I can see as IC or US champ, maybe a main event or two but not winning much there but JM I think can go all the way. I actually find him to be more charismatic than Miz and his commentary on ECW was awesome.

    In short they'll probably mirror Edge and Christian pretty closely in terms of respective solo success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    callaway92 wrote: »
    After seeing Miz on ECW this week he has improved soooo much..and also the heat he gets..and his mic skills i think he can be a main eventer..Morrison can too for his in ring skills alone..His mic skills arent great though tbf

    Morrison's mic skills don't need to be just yet, he has Miz for that. Michaels mic skills sucked for years during his solo career, from 92-95 he was bloody terrible.

    Rock's were terrible for his first year or so too, it was only Mania 14 where he really took the ball and ran with it.

    Mic skills can be learned by anyone if they really want to.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    to start with in Singles I think a manager would be very good for morrison a real mouthpiece to back up the looks and skill of morrison who could do his talking in the ring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    to start with in Singles I think a manager would be very good for morrison a real mouthpiece to back up the looks and skill of morrison who could do his talking in the ring.

    That could work but their is very few people I think of that are free, Vicky will be free from the Edge storyline soon...:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    Larry Sweeney would suit Morrison quite a bit


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    to start with in Singles I think a manager would be very good for morrison a real mouthpiece to back up the looks and skill of morrison who could do his talking in the ring.



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    Makes sense. I thought they were great together on RAW before, and now that Melina is a much more active wrestler, i reckon it'd be a good thing to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Makes sense. I thought they were great together on RAW before, and now that Melina is a much more active wrestler, i reckon it'd be a good thing to do.

    Exactly the reason why that won't happen. It would be something to do if recovering from injury or something, but given Melina's talents, I highly doubt one will see her in a valet capacity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭RebelRockChick


    Never really could see Miz as a main eventer tbh, although he has improved in the ring and he is good on the mic...a ECW title reign maybe at most.

    I think Morrison has been destined to be a main eventer ever since his MNM days. Maybe it'll happen in the near future for him, because with the severe lack of tag team competition they probably won't last much longer together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭Hyndsy85


    Morrison should progress to main event status. I think he should already be up there. He puts on some of the best matches, the guy is just awesome in the ring. I'd be mad that they havent pushed him by now if it wasnt for the fact that miz & morrison are basically on every show.

    As for people talking about his poor mic skils. They're not that bad and it shouldnt matter.Batista and jeff hardy have terrible mic skills but it hasnt stopped them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭thebeanz


    Morrison has a great chance. I don't see any reason why Morrison couldn't get to the top while he is still paired with the Miz. For example Morrison could be the WHC and Miz could hold the us title. Why break up such a good duo and put morrison with a manager when he has the miz as a partner already and he is pretty good on the mic. If anything they could add another person to the mix and make it like DX with HBK, HH and Chyna.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,383 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    you can never really tell but i see neither morrison or miz main eventing

    morrison has been on wwe tv now for 5 years, unless we see a mass cull of main-eventers like what happened during the steriod trial, hogan, warrior, sid, savage replaced by bret, hbk, owen personally i cannot see morrison headlining a mania

    the main event is pretty much set as it is, the likes of cena, orton, edge are the same age as morrison so almost guaranteed to main event for the next 10 years, 10 years from now HHH will still be in his spot unless he gets a career ending injury or a divorce

    i see Ted DiBiase, Jack Swagger having more chance of headlining than morrison


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    you can never really tell but i see neither morrison or miz main eventing

    morrison has been on wwe tv now for 5 years, unless we see a mass cull of main-eventers like what happened during the steriod trial, hogan, warrior, sid, savage replaced by bret, hbk, owen personally i cannot see morrison headlining a mania

    Maybe i'm being a little too picky here... but Savage finished up after the steroid trial. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,027 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    you can never really tell but i see neither morrison or miz main eventing

    morrison has been on wwe tv now for 5 years, unless we see a mass cull of main-eventers like what happened during the steriod trial, hogan, warrior, sid, savage replaced by bret, hbk, owen personally i cannot see morrison headlining a mania

    the main event is pretty much set as it is, the likes of cena, orton, edge are the same age as morrison so almost guaranteed to main event for the next 10 years, 10 years from now HHH will still be in his spot unless he gets a career ending injury or a divorce

    i see Ted DiBiase, Jack Swagger having more chance of headlining than morrison

    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,218 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    I don’t think this is to zombie sequel to be bumped and heh it’s relevant!
    The duo has not split and will attempt to embark on solo careers. The Miz has been sent to Raw where if things go right he can be a useful midcard heel, although many expect him to be mere squash material for the likes of Batista. His ring work has been very poor recently, which is something that may hurt him in such a stacked show.
    Morrison however is the one I have the most hope for, he is on Smackdown which is less stacked and I can see him putting on great matches with Rey, Jericho and Punk (again)
    The one thing that worries me massively and was something I noticed in his ECW match against Bourne, he struggles to connect with the crowd. It was the same in his last tag team; he seems to need someone to get heat.
    Where do most see them this time next year
    Its sucha pity they split up the team as well, their was a great feud with Legacy that could have been done:(
    Easily one of the best tag teams of the last five years in the WWE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Easily one of the best tag teams of the last five years in the WWE.

    And unfortunately thats a statement that doesn't actually mean very much. It's a good thing that they broke up as as long as they are in the tag division they will forever be considered mid-carders as WWE treat their tag division like crap. It really is sink or swim time for both of them now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Problem with Miz and Morrison going their separate ways, i think is this:

    Miz has a major weakness and thats he's not that great in-ring(yes he has improved, but no to WWE maineent level, or even near). In a tag team that could be hidden and glossed over, but I seriously doubt his ability to not be exposed wrestling full matches on his own. Plus moving to raw was a horrible move for him, he'll be swamped by the amount of main eventers there.

    Morrison on the other hand is good in the ring, has a great look and build and has that superstar aura that can't be taught in that he carries himself like a main eventer. The problem with him is when he opens his mouth. He's one of those unfortunate guys, who has a surprisingly whiny, prepubescent voice, that just takes away from any impression of threat or menace that his general demeanour would give. Its a big problem and is seriously gonna affect his chances IMO.

    So unfortunately while I've enjoyed their run together, I cant really see either of them breaking that glass ceiling into the Main Events on their own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭JP Liz


    Morrison is gone to SD (i'm glad about this) so i hope he will do better and get more chances to main event and feud with Punk, Edge, Jericho and Mysterio etc.

    I think the Miz will be buried on RAW


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,955 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    I think Heel Miz will get lost in the mix on raw and then hope for a draft next year while Morrison will maybe get a US title push


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    I think Heel Miz will get lost in the mix on raw and then hope for a draft next year while Morrison will maybe get a US title push

    I think jomo v rey for the intercontinental title would be great. Putting him back with melina would work a treat if they both had titles.

    I would expect miz to flounder on smackdown but in the shorter matches on raw might suit him. Who knows maybe he will win the us title and they will have a unification match at the 25th anniversary of mania (Like they should of at this years 25th anniversary;))


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Jolt2007


    Noticed this poll on wwe.com

    Who do you want to see on WWE Superstars?
    Natalya 12.49 % 32272 Votes
    CM Punk 18.63 % 48127 Votes
    John Morrison 47.63 % 123046 Votes
    Batista 16.55 % 42755 Votes
    Miss WrestleMania "Santina" Marella 4.68 % 12088 Votes

    Total Votes: 258288

    Surprised at how high the percentages of votes for Morrison is. Can see him becoming a big player on Smackdown this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    I think Heel Miz will get lost in the mix on raw and then hope for a draft next year while Morrison will maybe get a US title push

    I think they're going to end up lashing Miz together with Kendrick as the thes or something along those lines. need tag teams, those two need not to get jobbed and both have tag experience.

    Morrison will make it to the top of Smackdown in two years providing he doesn't have a Kennedy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    I think Miz is pretty much buried for the next year. As others have been saying Morrison has a chance on Smackdown to make a bigger name for himself. There's very few superstars that you would consider definitely above him in the pecking order on the new Smackdown. His two wins over Bourne and R-Truth would appear to suggest he is in the middle of a push probably straight towards Rey and the hopefully revitalised Intercontinental Belt.


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