Hurricane Katrina was a set up (split from other thread)

DubTony

mysterious wrote:

Hurricane Katrina was a set up.

6th wrote: »

How?

I'm assuming that mysterious is making the point that the response by the US federal government was a "setup", in that they didn't respond quickly or with enough suport in order to see how it played out.

At least I hope that's the point he's making.

Mahatma coat

nah man HAARP

dont you know that they can control the weather, they've been doing it for years

if you investigate Climate Change you will find that it corelates toi the finetuning of the device

suspected Ice ages in the eighties, global warmin in the nineties
and now

A Change in global Climate

just you watch they will go public with the info as a sweetner to Ireland to vote yes to Lisbon2
'if ye vote yes OIreland( thats how thewy pronounce it, not me) can have a sub Tropical Climate, Vote no and its Permafrost BITCHES'

Veni Vedi Vici

Yep, I'm very wary of the said treaty and the energy sector.

NiallMH

Mahatma coat wrote: »

nah man HAARP

dont you know that they can control the weather, they've been doing it for years

if you investigate Climate Change you will find that it corelates toi the finetuning of the device

suspected Ice ages in the eighties, global warmin in the nineties
and now

A Change in global Climate

just you watch they will go public with the info as a sweetner to Ireland to vote yes to Lisbon2
'if ye vote yes OIreland( thats how thewy pronounce it, not me) can have a sub Tropical Climate, Vote no and its Permafrost BITCHES'

I find that laughable

U4IK ST8

NiallMH wrote: »

I find that laughable

HAARP is real and it can affect the weather.

Have a look at this, then come here and say they are unable to control the weather - http://arcticbeacon.com/books/UN_1976_Weather_Weapon_Treaty.pdf

Look into HAARP and it's capabilities, you will not be laughing then.

King Mob

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

HAARP is real and it can affect the weather.

Have a look at this, then come here and say they are unable to control the weather - http://arcticbeacon.com/books/UN_1976_Weather_Weapon_Treaty.pdf

Look into HAARP and it's capabilities, you will not be laughing then.

Weird that they would ban these weapons with a freely available resolution while trying to keep them secret.

How exactly does haarp control the weather?

U4IK ST8

King Mob wrote: »

Weird that they would ban these weapons with a freely available resolution while trying to keep them secret.

How exactly does haarp control the weather?

HAARP heats the ionosphere with the ability to aim electromagnectic "beams" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionospheric_heater

H.A.A.R.P. - High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (Aurora or Northern/Southern Lights, naturally occuring effects of solar wind at the poles. Exactly what was witnessed over China 10-30mins before it's earthquake. Seen here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA)

King Mob

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

HAARP heats the ionosphere with the ability to aim electromagnectic "beams" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionospheric_heater

H.A.A.R.P. - High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (Aurora or Northern/Southern Lights, naturally occuring effects of solar wind at the poles. Exactly what was witnessed over China 10-30mins before it's earthquake. Seen here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA)

HAARP has no potential to affect weather. The frequency of energy that HAARP transmits cannot be absorbed by the troposphere or the stratosphere, only by the ionosphere, many kilometers higher than the highest atmospheric weather systems.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4122

So HAARP makes earthquakes as well? Pull the other one.

U4IK ST8

King Mob wrote: »

HAARP has no potential to affect weather. The frequency of energy that HAARP transmits cannot be absorbed by the troposphere or the stratosphere, only by the ionosphere, many kilometers higher than the highest atmospheric weather systems.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4122

And you base that statement on the words of man with no qualifications in the field?

http://skeptoid.com/about.php

Brian Dunning wrote:

By profession I am a computer scientist, both as a Silicon Valley CTO and as a consulting engineer. My only academic credential that bears any scrutiny is in Writing for Film and Television from University of California, Los Angeles. I also have a credential that doesn't bear any scrutiny — and you'll find it at Thunderwood College.

So I think some more scientific info about the atmosphere would be more credible. Not just the ramblings of a skeptic, nowhere does he says he is qualified.

It would be like me showing you this site, they seem to think the opposite of "the skeptic" - http://www.haarp.net/ "The Military's Pandora's Box by Dr. Nick Begich and Jeane Manning - you would say they are not qualified on the matter.

So HAARP makes earthquakes as well? Pull the other one.

When did I say that? HAARP is a research program into Aurora, which is natuarlly occuring. The only time this phenomenon happened outside the poler areas was in China and by coinsidence the earthquake happened 10mins later.

King Mob

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

And you base that statement on the words of man with no qualifications in the field?

http://skeptoid.com/about.php

So I think some more scientific info about the atmosphere would be more credible. Not just the ramblings of a skeptic, nowhere does he says he is qualified.

It would be like me showing you this site, they seem to think the opposite of "the skeptic" - http://www.haarp.net/ "The Military's Pandora's Box by Dr. Nick Begich and Jeane Manning - you would say they are not qualified on the matter.

I'm basing it the argument he makes and the information he provides.
What are you basing the belief that HAARP can control the weather on exactly?

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

When did I say that? HAARP is a research program into Aurora, which is natuarlly occuring. The only time this phenomenon happened outside the poler areas was in China and by coinsidence the earthquake happened 10mins later.

H.A.A.R.P. - High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (Aurora or Northern/Southern Lights, naturally occuring effects of solar wind at the poles. Exactly what was witnessed over China 10-30mins before it's earthquake. Seen here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVamNQzfYA)

So what where you saying with this then?

U4IK ST8

King Mob wrote: »

I'm basing it the argument he makes and the information he provides.
What are you basing the belief that HAARP can control the weather on exactly?

Information he knows nothing about. I'm basing my belief on the numerous information I have come across online.

You might like a read of this - http://jya.com/haarp.htm

For U.S. plasma physicists, HAARP is a dream come true. Re-creating ionospheric processes in earthbound laboratories is notoriously difficult. Space has no walls, so as soon as charged gases like those in the ionosphere hit a barrier of some kind, the experiment is effectively over, says Cornell University physicist Michael Kelley, chair of the U.S. Ionospheric Interactions Program steering committee. With its focused beam of high-frequency radio waves, HAARP will excite, or "heat," ions and electrons in the ionosphere, much as the sun does. This will allow scientists to observe in a controlled fashion the complex physical processes that occur naturally. Says Kelley, "Very little space science is manipulative. But the normal scientific method is done by cause and effect; this is our tiny tool to help us do that."

So it heats the ionosphere much like the sun does, but you say it has no affect on weather? I believe it does, prove me wrong.

So what where you saying with this then?

What? I repeated myself. I don't understand you there.

You said "So HAARP makes earthquakes as well? Pull the other one."
And I said "When did I say that?" Then I repeated myself, not once did I say HAARP caused the earthquake. It's the only other time an aurora was seen outside the poles, where it occurs naturally! So if it occurs outside the poles it must be man-made, ie HAARP.


EDIT:

Here's some more - http://bc.inter.edu/facultad/bisham/research/interactions/index.html

"We do this by transmitting shortwave radio signals into a small region of the ionosphere directly overhead, and we study the interaction between the radio, ion, and electron waves, and the turbulence which results from this interaction."

They have graphs by http://www.eiscat.se/ there, here's what they are about -

"EISCAT (European Incoherent Scattter) studies the interaction between the Sun and the Earth as revealed by disturbances in the magnetosphere and the ionised parts of the atmosphere (these interactions also give rise to the spectacular aurora, or Northern Lights)."

I've already shown that HAARP heats the atmosphere much like the sun does.


These are not about HAARP, HAARP is larger scale, specificaly but point out the relationship between heating the ionosphere(ions in the atmosphere) and weather.

King Mob

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

Information he knows nothing about. I'm basing my belief on the numerous information I have come across online.

You might like a read of this - http://jya.com/haarp.htm
So it heats the ionosphere much like the sun does, but you say it has no affect on weather? I believe it does, prove me wrong.

Well you've made the claim that HAARP controls the weather. Logic dictates the onus is on you to provide evidence that it does.

However from the very article you linked:

Weather is generated, not in the ionosphere, hut in the dense atmosphere close to Earth, points out University of Tulsa provost and plasma physicist Lewis Duncan, former chair of the U.S. Ionospheric Steering Committee. Because HAARP's radio beam only excites and heats ionized particles, it will slip right through the lower atmosphere, which is composed primarily of neutral gases. "If climate modifications were even conceivable using this technology, you can bet there would be a lot more funding available for it," he jokes.

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

What? I repeated myself. I don't understand you there.

You said "So HAARP makes earthquakes as well? Pull the other one."
And I said "When did I say that?" Then I repeated myself, not once did I say HAARP caused the earthquake. It's the only other time an aurora was seen outside the poles, where it occurs naturally! So if it occurs outside the poles it must be man-made, ie HAARP.

Well first off auroras are seen pretty far down during magnetic storms.
Second the auroras made by HAARP are only visible through special cameras.
Thrid the "aurora" in that video looks suspiciously like a cloud.
Fourth there is nothing in the video to show that it was "10 - 30 mins before the earthquake."

Why would an aurora that you claim is artificial relevant to an earthquake in the first place?

U4IK ST8

King Mob wrote: »

Well you've made the claim that HAARP controls the weather. Logic dictates the onus is on you to provide evidence that it does.

However from the very article you linked:

I didn't say HAARP affected anything other than the ionosphere, which when heated creates turbulence. Even transmitting shortwave radio signals into small areas of the ionosphere creates measurable turbulence. He never mentions anything about the effect the ionosphere, when heated, has on the atmosphere. That's what I am trying to find out and I think I have. In the end of my last post.

Well first off auroras are seen pretty far down during magnetic storms.
Second the auroras made by HAARP are only visible through special cameras.
Thrid the "aurora" in that video looks suspiciously like a cloud.
Fourth there is nothing the video to show that it was "10 - 30 mins before the earthquake."

Why would an aurora that you claim is artificial relevant to an earthquake in the first place?

It wasn't relevant that an earthquake happened, that was the video title and the title of other videos around the time of the earthquake.

Anyway, I have found out some more info on these glowing clouds, so maybe it was a bad comparison, hehe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IHoZoAVLo0 - Read the description. Not saying it's true but it's something I haven't heard about until now.

King Mob

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

I didn't say HAARP affected anything other than the ionosphere,

That's not entirely true.

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

HAARP is real and it can affect the weather.


Look into HAARP and it's capabilities, you will not be laughing then.

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

which when heated creates turbulence. Even transmitting shortwave radio signals into small areas of the ionosphere creates measurable turbulence.
He never mentions anything about the effect the ionosphere, when heated, has on the atmosphere. That's what I am trying to find out and I think I have. In the end of my last post.

And what HAARP does is negligible to what the sun is doing 24/7.
HAARP cannot control the weather.

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

It wasn't relevant that an earthquake happened, that was the video title and the title of other videos around the time of the earthquake.

Anyway, I have found out some more info on these glowing clouds, so maybe it was a bad comparison, hehe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IHoZoAVLo0 - Read the description. Not saying it's true but it's something I haven't heard about until now.

So why did you bring it up in the first place?

U4IK ST8

King Mob wrote: »

That's not entirely true.

U4IK ST8 wrote:

HAARP is real and it can affect the weather.

Look into HAARP and it's capabilities, you will not be laughing then.

You quote that as if it makes you right. "..it can affect weather" and "it's capabilities" doesn't say anything about what it specifically affects or alters the state of.

And what HAARP does is negligible to what the sun is doing 24/7.
HAARP cannot control the weather.

But how can you say it has no affect on the weather and then say what HAARP does is negligible compared to the sun. That to me is saying HAARP does the same thing as the sun just not as much. Which then proves that HAARP affects the weather, just not as much as the sun.

So why did you bring it up in the first place?

Because I wrongly assumed that the coloured clouds were a type of aurora, which HAARP can create. But I was wrong.

King Mob wrote: »

Yep because you can't possibly be wrong.

Yes, I can be wrong sometimes. And not afraid to admit it when I am. Unlike some people...

King Mob

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

You quote that as if it makes you right. "..it can affect weather" and "it's capabilities" doesn't say anything about what it specifically affects or alters the state of.

You were the one who said this in response someone saying the idea of Hurricanes being artificially created was laughable..

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

But how can you say it has no affect on the weather and then say what HAARP does is negligible compared to the sun. That to me is saying HAARP does the same thing as the sun just not as much. Which then proves that HAARP affects the weather, just not as much as the sun.

Negligible effect to the ionosphere. The difference between the sun and HAARP is the sun effects all parts of the atmosphere not just the charged particles like HAARP.

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

Because I wrongly assumed that the coloured clouds were a type of aurora, which HAARP can create. But I was wrong. Yes, I can be wrong sometimes. And not afraid to admit it when I am. Unlike some people...

Neither am I. But I only admit I'm wrong when there's good evidence and reasoning showing that I am.

U4IK ST8

King Mob wrote: »

You were the one who said this in response someone saying the idea of Hurricanes being artificially created was laughable..

Ok, I should have been more specific in my first post.

Negligible effect to the ionosphere. The difference between the sun and HAARP is the sun effects all parts of the atmosphere not just the charged particles like HAARP.

If HAARP hits the ionosphere with electromagnetic waves it will, in turn, affect the rest of the atmosphere. I understand that HAARP is nowhere near as powerful as the sun, but a magnectically charged ionosphere can have an affect on the weather. I found this line -

The global TEC maps showed clear seasonal effects that can be characterized by a dominance of a negative ionospheric storm (decrease in plasma density) in the summer (northern) hemisphere and the pronounced positive ionospheric storm (increase in plasma density) in the winter (southern) hemisphere.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003.../2002JA009782.shtml Case study of the 15 July 2000 magnetic storm effects on the ionosphere

It doesn't go into what these effects are though.

King Mob

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

If HAARP hits the ionosphere with electromagnetic waves it will, in turn, affect the rest of the atmosphere.

Not really. The ionosphere is very high up it the atmosphere. HAARP also only effects charged particles. If there is any effect at all to the rest of the atmosphere it's drowned out by the much more powerful effects of the sun.

U4IK ST8 wrote: »

I understand that HAARP is nowhere near as powerful as the sun, but a magnectically charged ionosphere can have an affect on the weather. I found this line -

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003.../2002JA009782.shtml Case study of the 15 July 2000 magnetic storm effects on the ionosphere

It doesn't go into what these effects are though.

It looks to be referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionospheric_storm.
And again these are caused by electrons that are emitted at a large level by the Sun.

There is no evidence to show HAARP can be used to control the weather.
It's just not plausible.

meglome

King Mob wrote: »

It's just not plausible.

No no I refuse to believe it. :P