Should the GAA take any action against the Cork players for their recent Strike?

corcaioch

Open for discussion...

Daysha

In my opinion, no. It's a dangerous game to get Croke Park involved with internal County Board matters, and while it doesn't reflect greatly on the GAA as a whole, things that happen at county level should stay at county level. Thats just my thoughts on it.

julien69

Yes they should strip them all naked and whip them until they get some manners.Just a thought i had.:D

julien69

The whipping could be done by Gerald Mc Carthy.i bet hed get alot of pleasure out of that,revenge.;)

Hitman Actual

If by the GAA you mean Croke Park, there are no obvious proceedings that they can follow to take action against the players, even if they felt it was justified. The only rule I could find is where a county board can suspend/de-bar a player from the association for bringing the game into disrepute. Can you imagine the uproar in Cork if the CCB tried to do this now? It would make the current dispute look like a round of Foxy Boxing.

Also, there seems to be a degree of uncertainty as regards the breaking of the Mulvey (no-strike) agreement, or the dispute would have been settled months ago, or might not have even started. The hurlers and footballers believe that the agreement was void due to the manager appointment process by the CCB, while the CCB say they followed the agreement to the letter of the law. Croke Park would be as well off to stay as far away from that as possible- I really can't see what they gain by getting involved.

And, taking action against only the players makes the statement that they are solely to blame, but there's no way that the CCB should remain blameless in all this. Croke Park have in effect already acknowledged the CCB management appointment process is poor, with the recommendations in one of their proposed solutions that a 'best practice' appointment process should be put in place. [As an aside, I'm sure we'll see more of this 'best practice' guidelines due to the increasing problems with intercounty managers and players.]

li@mo

Answer - NO

Why - Because they are NOT the Cork players. The Cork players have been training and playing the matches the last few months.

How exactly can the GAA take action against a group of striking CLUB players when they still play for their clubs?

Mr. Incognito

They've broken no rules in the the Vast Black Hole that is the GAA Rule book.

The GAA CANNOT take actions against the Cork players- you cannot arbitrarily ban people because you feel like it. This isn't WW2 Germany.

jordainius

They should quickly introduce a rule whereby counties are only allowed to add a maximum of ten players to squads declared on February 1st of every given year. Therefore only a maximum of 10 of the 30 strikers would be able to take a place on the panel for the remainder of this year.

This would also ensure that the majority of the players who were drafted into the panel for this year would retain their places on the panel.

blackbelt

No - It is not worth the time or the money of the association.This is a Cork problem and a Cork problem only.Other counties might find it ridiculous and even laugh at Cork but at the end of the day,if Cork can't manage their own affairs,they are hardly likely to go out and deliver on the pitch and this isn't the GAAs business.

The 08 panel will have to continue on with a big black smudge on their names and reputations.That is the price they will pay.Should Cork look for re-fixtures or venue changes,the GAA will know how and when to hurt and punish them when that time comes.

overmantle

'The 08 panel will have to continue on with a big black smudge on their names and reputations'. Why do you feel this way, Blackbelt? Would you be of the opinion that they will or should be the only ones with ' a big black smudge on their names and reputations'?

Utopia Parkway

They have to play all their 09 games in high heels.

Yavvy

I would like to see the Cork Players punished in some way for their actions - but I dont think the GAA can or will do anything.

having said that.. I think they will be punished just fine in the All Ireland.

overmantle

Alany, You don't honestly think that the people of Cork expect All-Ireland success for the Hurlers in 2009?? That would be very naive of us and even moreso of you to think that we would expect that.
The Cork public (and clubs) stood behind the players, though they may not have endorsed every single one of their actions. The purpose was to dust off some very serious cobwebs and to clear the air that very much needed clearing. We've all heard that, 'Things have to get worse before they get better'. Many people had to make sacrifices but in the belief that it would be worth it in the longer term.
One of the greatest problems with this dispute has been the lack of understanding by people outside the county, of the problems here on the ground.
Roll on 2011 for the Hurlers and who knows about our footballers?- I wouldn't be so fast to write them off.

Daysha

overmantle wrote: »

Alany, You don't honestly think that the people of Cork expect All-Ireland success for the Hurlers in 2009?? That would be very naive of us and even moreso of you to think that we would expect that.
The Cork public (and clubs) stood behind the players, though they may not have endorsed every single one of their actions. The purpose was to dust off some very serious cobwebs and to clear the air that very much needed clearing. We've all heard that, 'Things have to get worse before they get better'. Many people had to make sacrifices but in the belief that it would be worth it in the longer term.
One of the greatest problems with this dispute has been the lack of understanding by people outside the county, of the problems here on the ground.
Roll on 2011 for the Hurlers and who knows about our footballers?- I wouldn't be so fast to write them off.

Pardon me for interfering but I dont think Alany for once suggested Cork people expected success this year. He was merely suggesting that the players will see just how much damage has been done when they take to the field well behind their preparations compared to other counties.

soundsham

not a hope it would happen no grounds for it anyway
ask frank he will tell you the rules anyway;)

and as for that twat brennan every time he commented he was as useful as a gallon of petrol in an inferno, if he had his way they'd still be no soccer and rugby in croker thank god he's out after league.

sean kelly would have got involved in a much better, low key way and found a quicker more helpful to all ending in 1/2 the time

overmantle

I have to agree with Soundsham. I don't want to get involved in slagging any individuals but some on the comments made during the dispute by high profile people in the organisation were very insensitive and like the proverbial 'red rag to a bull'. A small bit of diplomacy would have gone a very long way.
I agree that somebody like Sean Kelly would have been a very diplomatic man and not seen as antagonising by making unhelpful comments. We live and learn.

Stupido

come the revolution.........:D:D:D

overmantle

Sorry. To answer the original question posted - No, I certainly don't think it would be appropriate for action to be taken against the Cork Players.
In the circumstances, with all the other factors involved (which have clearly not been understood by many members of the public from around the country) it would not be helpful and indeed, counterproductive.
Once fundamental changes take place at County Board level, then nobody should have any reason or excuse to be striking. If they were back striking in two years time about some other matter, for example, after major changes had taken place at County Board, then perhaps sanction may be appropriate.
Given the very genuine grievances among Cork hurling (& football) players, past and present, clubs, members of the sporting public in Cork etc., then if action were to be taken in these circumstances, then they should not be alone in the dock. There are several other people (not players) who have alot to answer for the roles they played in this dispute.

overmantle

Daysha wrote: »

Pardon me for interfering but I dont think Alany for once suggested Cork people expected success this year. He was merely suggesting that the players will see just how much damage has been done when they take to the field well behind their preparations compared to other counties.

What Alany actually said was, 'I think they will be punished just fine in the All-Ireland'.

What I was saying was that Cork people, including the players, don't expect miracles in 2009. This season has been more or less written off but it's a price worth paying IF the fundamental changes in Cork G.A.A. take place. It's NOT a punishment, it's a sacrifice. With all due respects, there is a world of difference between the two.

Mullet

The only punishment should be aimed at the County County Board for the way they are running the Gaa into the ground down on Leeside.

Yet again a total lack of leadership shown by Nicky brennan and Co and i fear the new Gaa President elect will not be much better. If what happened in Cork occurred in another county it would not have been tolerated by the Gaa.

autograph

I agree totally with you Mullet. It is only people in Cork who have seen and heard at first hand how the CCB operates. For those who have not witnessed the carry on, over a number of years, I would not expect them to have a true understanding.
I have to agree with you also that Nicky Brennan was not at all helpful. He would have been far better off keeping out of it if he was just going to make the remarks that he made. Hopefully Christy Cooney will learn from the mistakes of his predecessor.

Orizio

Shall we throw the Offaly footballers and Waterford hurlers out as well?

autograph

There is one fundamental difference between the Offaly footballers, the Waterford hurlers and the Cork Hurlers- The other two teams are NOT subject to the stone wall that is the Cork County Board.