Veronica Guerin

JonathanAnon

Just watching there. Every actor who has ever been in Fair City, ever.
And just when you thought it was safe, Mr. myhoooome.ieeeeeeeee back with his fakey wakey acting. I used to think he was alright in Bachelor's Walk, but I'm afraid Wycherley should be held (along with the crazy frog) for crimes against society for his voiceover work.

On another note, the movie is good. ;-)
And Gerard McSorely is great, as he was in Omagh.

ben bedlam

Agree. Very much like Fair City: The Movie

2fivers

JonathanAnon wrote: »

On another note, the movie is good. ;-)
And Gerard McSorely is great, as he was in Omagh.

Aye. They had Tony Gregory wearing a tie, though.... You'd think one of the paddy's on set would have had a word with Mr Schumacher...

lovinit

I watched this film last night for the first time:eek: and i thought it was a brilliant film, yes there were fair city actors on it but I think their acting was far better in this film, all cedit goes to Cate Blanchett for her fantastic performance as Veronica Guerin, its just a pity that she had to die before they did something about the problem

aggie25

even her son was in fairly s hitty! used to be pauls son oisin
mr my home.ie is so head wreaking..........if he can be an actor we all can!

Leaderbored

2fivers wrote: »

Aye. They had Tony Gregory wearing a tie, though.... You'd think one of the paddy's on set would have had a word with Mr Schumacher...

Yup. It's a very small mistake, but an important one to Irish audiences for a powerful movie based on fact.

I remember Garret Keogh (Gregory in the movie) being asked about this at the time the movie was released, and he said he had personally raised the error with the producers, but they mumbled something about being worried that 'certain audiences' (he was ambiguous , but we're assuming he meant parts of America) wouldn't understand that the character of Tony Gregory was an elected representative if he wasn't dressed as one, hence the suit and tie instead of the REAL Gregory's usual workplace attire of open necked shirt and casual jacket.

He was responding to calls from Mr Gregory's constituents to Liveline about it, I believe...

Nolanger

Lads that movie was a load of overrated sh*te. Everyone was in awe of the picture when release, got great acclaimfrom our esteemed 'critics', and sunk on release in the states. Nothing but a glossy telefilm of the worst kind. Schumacher's worst movie.

Leaderbored

Nolanger wrote: »

Lads that movie was a load of overrated sh*te. Everyone was in awe of the picture when release, got great acclaimfrom our esteemed 'critics', and sunk on release in the states. Nothing but a glossy telefilm of the worst kind. Schumacher's worst movie.

Bit harsh. Sinking without trace outside Ireland isn't a barometer of a movies quality : Garage, Kings and many other decent films with exceptionally high Irish profiles failed to generate tuppence at overseas box offices. Even In Bruges, lauded with awards, and having a pair of genuine A Listers in the cast & an oscar winning director struggled to recoup it's costs overseas.

As for Veronica being Schumacher's worst movie, since Im actually a fan of his idiotic Mr. T vehicle "DC Cab" , I'll have to say that particular honour should go to either the thoroughly drab Jim Carrey thriller "Number 23", the thoroughly pointless Anthony Hopkins Action movie "Bad Company" or the just plain stupid "Batman and Robin".

It's not his fault that Irish critics wanked themselves into a parochial frenzy over what turned out to be a barely above average movie with a decent script. It IS however his fault that the above 3 films were crap.

Mr.Lizard

Nolanger wrote: »

Schumacher's worst movie.

.... one of the most competitive categories in all cinema.

eamon234

This is exactly why there's no Irish film industry - why the hell do these same gormless gobsh1tes keep getting so much work when there are so many good actors out there they're like the frickin movie mafia!

ben bedlam

Nolanger wrote: »

Schumacher's worst movie.

BATMAN AND ROBIN?

abouttobebanned

One of the saddest ends to a movie ever though. Great music and great choice in using Field's of Athenry being sung by the wee kid.

Bondvillain

abouttobebanned wrote: »

great choice in using Field's of Athenry being sung by the wee kid.

That's a real 50/50. Some people love it, but me personally? Not a fan.

The tuneless shrieks and drones make me want to drop kick the whiny little chancer all the way back down Grafton Street. Horrible noise altogether.

Passenger

Actually there was probably more of the Fair City cast in Batman Begins.

BaZmO*

On the subject of Fair City actors. I've seen quite a few stage productions around Dublin with a lot of them having their fair share of Fair City regulars, and tbh they've all done a really good job, much to my surprise.

I think the problem with the acting in Fair City can be laid squarely at the door of the production team and screenwriters.

JonathanAnon

Passenger wrote: »

Actually there was probably more of the Fair City cast in Batman Begins.

Or after hearing the news today, maybe Brokeback Mountain?

Any one any idea what role he played, Patrick Dunleavy?

julien69

I wonder what the monk thought of the character from fair city who played him.Is he still robbing banks or whats he doing for a living these days?

Nolanger

Leaderbored wrote: »

Even In Bruges, lauded with awards, and having a pair of genuine A Listers in the cast & an oscar winning director struggled to recoup it's costs overseas.

In Bruges was never an Irish movie. It was funded in Britain and directed by an Englishman. The 'Irish movie' idea was used in its publicity here and guess what? ... it worked!

Leaderbored

Nolanger wrote: »

In Bruges was never an Irish movie. It was funded in Britain and directed by an Englishman. The 'Irish movie' idea was used in its publicity here and guess what? ... it worked!

Which is why, you'll find, I referred to it separately from the two Irish movies I had chosen as reference.

I still don't see your initial point though. "Irish" movies do well in Ireland, "British" movies do well in Britain. Yes we're parochial, but that doesn't necessarily mean that movies such as Veronica Guerin, Kings, In Bruges or any other local-ish movies previously mentioned were bad films simply because regional audiences went to see them and the Americans didn't.

There may have been other reasons that the movies were considered poor, but "Americans not watching them" shouldn't be one.

moe_sizlak

Nolanger wrote: »

Lads that movie was a load of overrated sh*te. Everyone was in awe of the picture when release, got great acclaimfrom our esteemed 'critics', and sunk on release in the states. Nothing but a glossy telefilm of the worst kind. Schumacher's worst movie.

i agree that the movie was nothing but a glorified tv movie , it should only ever have been made for tv , like the recent tv movie about the doctor neary scandal , had it been presented in that format , thier would have been nothing wrong with the production

the subject matter didnt demand a cinema release

Elmo

Nolanger wrote: »

Lads that movie was a load of overrated sh*te. Everyone was in awe of the picture when release, got great acclaimfrom our esteemed 'critics', and sunk on release in the states. Nothing but a glossy telefilm of the worst kind. Schumacher's worst movie.

BATMAN AND ROBIN

Elmo

moe_sizlak wrote: »

i agree that the movie was nothing but a glorified tv movie , it should only ever have been made for tv , like the recent tv movie about the doctor neary scandal , had it been presented in that format , thier would have been nothing wrong with the production

the subject matter didnt demand a cinema release

a TV Movie on the subject, When the Sky Falls with Joan Allen as Veronica Guerin.

Elmo

Nolanger wrote: »

In Bruges was never an Irish movie. It was funded in Britain and directed by an Englishman. The 'Irish movie' idea was used in its publicity here and guess what? ... it worked!

It is very hard to define a true Irish movie anyway. Even when co-funded in this country. E.g. Brendan and The Secret Book of Kells has the following funding behind it:-

A Les Armateurs, France 2 Cinema (France)/Vivi Film (Belgium)/Cartoon Saloon (Ireland) production, with the support of Le Fonds Eurimages du Conseil de l'Europe, Media Plus Programme i2i Audiovisuel, with the participation of Canal Plus, Cine Cinema, Gebeka Films, Conseil General de la Charente, Conseil Regional de Poitou Charentes, Piste Rouge, in association with Sofica Soficinema 2, with the help of the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland, in association with RTE, with the support of Flanders Audiovisual Fund, Centre du Cinema et de l'Audiovisuel de la Communaute française de Belgique et des Teledistributeurs Wallons, La Region Wallonne -- Promimage, La Region Wallonne -- Wallimage, with the participation of Tax Shelter ING Invest of Tax Shelter Prods., Belgacom, Kinepolis Multi. (International sales: Celluloid Dreams, Paris.) Produced by Didier Bruner, Viviane Vanfleteren, Paul Young. Executive producer, Ivan Rouveure. Directed by Tomm Moore. Co-director, Nora Twomey. Screenplay, Fabrice Ziolkowski.

shane86

Nolanger wrote: »

Lads that movie was a load of overrated sh*te. Everyone was in awe of the picture when release, got great acclaimfrom our esteemed 'critics', and sunk on release in the states. Nothing but a glossy telefilm of the worst kind. Schumacher's worst movie.

I thought it was pretty alright but some of it was nonsense. Remember the scene in some inner city flat block with a load of kids picking up needles around them and nobody caring or intervening....really, come on. Typiacl dirty poor oul Oireland twaddle. Not only that but in reality the vast majority of Gilligans business was hash, not heroin.

And Gerard McSorely is great, as he was in Omagh

Not to mention Father Todd Unctious

dimejinky99

Nolanger wrote: »

Lads that movie was a load of overrated sh*te. Everyone was in awe of the picture when release, got great acclaimfrom our esteemed 'critics', and sunk on release in the states. Nothing but a glossy telefilm of the worst kind. Schumacher's worst movie.

The Batman he did has that honour I think. Site altogether.

2fivers

Nolanger wrote: »

Schumacher's worst movie.

That clearly ignores Batman & Robin.

TBH, you kinda Shot yourself in the foot with that statement, so it's no wonder everyone's disagreeing with you about everything else.

Nolanger

Still have another foot. B&R was rubbish but the hype over the VG movie was ludicrous - the kind of people who went to the cinema once a year were flocking to this TV-drama rubbish. Not one Irish critic dared criticise the picture - all drones. Same thing happened a decade ago with Michael Collins. FFS Irish movies truly are sh*te. Can picture Schumacher trying to make a personal statement with the VG movie - after years of Hollywood work - he finally gets his chance to prove himself as a talented filmmaker. What happens? - he ends up with a bunch of Fair City rejects, sh*t weather, and TV crews who do their best to churn out another crap made-for-TV movie.

Elmo

Nolanger wrote: »

Still have another foot. B&R was rubbish but the hype over the VG movie was ludicrous - the kind of people who went to the cinema once a year were flocking to this TV-drama rubbish. Not one Irish critic dared criticise the picture - all drones. Same thing happened a decade ago with Michael Collins. FFS Irish movies truly are sh*te. Can picture Schumacher trying to make a personal statement with the VG movie - after years of Hollywood work - he finally gets his chance to prove himself as a talented filmmaker. What happens? - he ends up with a bunch of Fair City rejects, sh*t weather, and TV crews who do their best to churn out another crap made-for-TV movie.

And you missed the Hype of Batman and Robin??????

I don't think VG was the worst movie, I don't think all of the actors where rubbish in the film, I haven't seen it in a while, mainly because I was quiet unimpressed too.

But lets remember that in the main this is a Disney/Bruchiem movie. But it isn't the worst and it isn't the best.

You are right to suggest it shouldn't have been given a cinema release but Cate Blanchette gives it gravitas.

I do think that Schumarcker did a good job.

I also think that Fair City taints most Irish actors careers, because I have seen them in plenty of other TV and Film doing better work.

I don't believe that all Irish movies are sh1te just as I don't believe that all US blockbusters are wonderful. This as pointed out isn't Schumarcker's worst movie he has had plenty of bad ones, but he has also had plenty of very good ones. This I would consider in the middle of all of that.

Apologies for not spelling the names correctly.

97i9y3941

i never seen this footage before,this is veronica receiveing bravery award in 1996

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-A6HbY9cjY

robgordon

Not a great film, but a great story. Anybody see the film with Joan Allen? I forget what it was called, but it was really good.