Should Irish Be Learned !!!!!!!!!

paddy140

Ok here is a quick question do you think irish should be learned in schools if not why and if yes why. Ill make a poll showing the results on the 11th of march so get typing. p.s i know that it was already done but i need to do it again and if you are wondering why all i can say is fm104 phoneshow.

anladmór

of course it should be, but a chance in course is essential.

Fad

OP if you would care to scroll down, there's already a thread about this........

Aoifey!

No! I think it should be optional once you get into secondary school, or at least after 3rd year! There are very, very few places it is actually spoken anymore.

challengemaster

My opinion:

There should be two subjects. Irish literature/culture, and Spoken Irish.

Spoken Irish should be compulsary, and literature/culture optional. (and seperate subjects for the LC)

Spoken Irish would also include learning the written Irish, but no studying of novels/stories/poems/etc. Examination would be based on Aural and Oral alone. (70% Oral, 30% Aural)

That way, Everyone learns the language. People actually become fluent and can use the language day to day, usefully. People who wish to learn about the culture and literature of the languge can take up that aspect of it if they so wish.

Of course, this requires a complete reform of the Irish department in the state examinations, in schools, and the way things are taught. So there's a high probability that there's no hope of it ever happening.

Think of it in terms of how you learn English when you're a child. You can't read but you learn to talk long before. You learn the language from listening to the people around you speak it, and from speaking it yourself. You can't learn a language to a degree of fluency from a text book.

Aoifums

I love Challengemaster's answer. I can't better it, so I'll just add my two cents.

I honestly can't stand Irish. I'm in Fourth year and I still can't string two sentences together. I'm screwed for the LC because I'm just so bad at it. I've been learning Irish for 13 years. I went to an Irish speaking playschool. I had brilliant Irish when I was a little kid. Then I went to primary and started learning out of a book and have never understood it. It might be different if I had a flair for languages, but I don't so I don't speak, read or understand Irish.

smileeey

challengemaster wrote: »

My opinion:

There should be two subjects. Irish literature/culture, and Spoken Irish.

Spoken Irish should be compulsary, and literature/culture optional. (and seperate subjects for the LC)

Spoken Irish would also include learning the written Irish, but no studying of novels/stories/poems/etc. Examination would be based on Aural and Oral alone. (70% Oral, 30% Aural)

That way, Everyone learns the language. People actually become fluent and can use the language day to day, usefully. People who wish to learn about the culture and literature of the languge can take up that aspect of it if they so wish.

Of course, this requires a complete reform of the Irish department in the state examinations, in schools, and the way things are taught. So there's a high probability that there's no hope of it ever happening.

Think of it in terms of how you learn English when you're a child. You can't read but you learn to talk long before. You learn the language from listening to the people around you speak it, and from speaking it yourself. You can't learn a language to a degree of fluency from a text book.

briliant!

oh well

challengemaster - excellent ideas

should make you minister for education with special responsibility for Irish culture - oh ya, can't - embargo on jobs. seriously though, great idea.

Frank3142

i dont think it should be taught. i think it should be replaced with a more useful european language instead.

dlofnep

challengemaster wrote: »

My opinion:

There should be two subjects. Irish literature/culture, and Spoken Irish.

Spoken Irish should be compulsary, and literature/culture optional. (and seperate subjects for the LC)

Spoken Irish would also include learning the written Irish, but no studying of novels/stories/poems/etc. Examination would be based on Aural and Oral alone. (70% Oral, 30% Aural)

That way, Everyone learns the language. People actually become fluent and can use the language day to day, usefully. People who wish to learn about the culture and literature of the languge can take up that aspect of it if they so wish.

Of course, this requires a complete reform of the Irish department in the state examinations, in schools, and the way things are taught. So there's a high probability that there's no hope of it ever happening.

Think of it in terms of how you learn English when you're a child. You can't read but you learn to talk long before. You learn the language from listening to the people around you speak it, and from speaking it yourself. You can't learn a language to a degree of fluency from a text book.

Good answer!

Fair play. My thoughts have always emphasised on the importance of conversational Irish.

Mayo1

Irish is part of our national heritage, something which is essential for our national identity and should be taught in school through primary and secondary school. Irish is something to be proud of, that we have our own language, our own identity, which many countries around the world dont have-their own language. Have a bit of patriotic pride and stop acting like spoilt children who are whinging because they dont want to learn something that they think is hard!

IM0

Also dont you need it to get into Uni? :eek:
matriculation requirements (minimum).

Aoifums

Mayo1 wrote: »

Irish is part of our national heritage, something which is essential for our national identity and should be taught in school through primary and secondary school. Irish is something to be proud of, that we have our own language, our own identity, which many countries around the world dont have-their own language. Have a bit of patriotic pride and stop acting like spoilt children who are whinging because they dont want to learn something that they think is hard!

I'd love to able to speak Irish. I don't want to learn off a bunch of poems in a language I don't understand. That's my only main problem with Irish. I've never been properly taught it, therefore I hate the subject.
My only Irish experience is sitting down for four fourty minute classes a week, learning out of a very boring book or trying to learn something through rote memorisation. Neither are very good ways to learn to like something.

gaagirl101

does anyone know the poem subh milis? what themes does it cover??