PSNI Personnel Exchange with An Garda Síochána

innercitydub1

Hey everyone

i was reading up on the PSNI website that the PSNI do transfers witha number of policing organisations around the world

One in paticular that caught my attention was the Garda Siochana.
It says that 60 people have used this program in the past and many contiue to do so

Witrh regards to this is it possible for a member of the PSNI to switch to becoming a member of the Garda siochana for a selct amont of time

hope somebody can shed more light on the subject

Thanks

cushtac

The exchange is only an observer thing, there's no transfer of powers.

da_hambo

I'm a member of AGS of Garda rank and will be partaking in the Patten Exchange in the next few months. For anyone that's interested, I will outline my experiences when I come back.

Can't wait!

thebakerboy

Had read about this a while back, constables just get to observe but I think senior ranks are given policing powers, what these are is set by rank. Been a while since I read that so maybe remembering that wrong.

Delancey

The Patten commission envisaged regular transfers between the 2 forces , Patten was especially keen that exchanges should occur at middle and senior management level.
The reality has been a big disappointment - as I understand it when the respective civil servants sat down to work out the details it became apparent that significant differences in the 2 forces pension funds meant that it was very difficult to do these transfers at low cost without the transferee suffering a penalty in the form of impaired pension rights.

Lord Patten has commented that he is disappointed this recommendation was not fully implemented.

shampon

Delancey wrote: »

The Patten commission envisaged regular transfers between the 2 forces , Patten was especially keen that exchanges should occur at middle and senior management level.
The reality has been a big disappointment - as I understand it when the respective civil servants sat down to work out the details it became apparent that significant differences in the 2 forces pension funds meant that it was very difficult to do these transfers at low cost without the transferee suffering a penalty in the form of impaired pension rights.

Lord Patten has commented that he is disappointed this recommendation was not fully implemented.

It's a pity that this recommendation didn't really work out. I believe that both forces, sorry, services have a-lot to offer each other.

Delancey

shampon wrote: »

It's a pity that this recommendation didn't really work out. I believe that both forces, sorry, services have a-lot to offer each other.

The last information I had on this issue ( 2 - 3 years old ) is that not a single AGS member above the rank of Sergeant has moved to the P.S.N.I. other than very short term attachments.
It does seem a pity that something like pension schemes could torpedo what seems a good initiative.

shampon

Delancey wrote: »

The last information I had on this issue ( 2 - 3 years old ) is that not a single AGS member above the rank of Sergeant has moved to the P.S.N.I. other than very short term attachments.
It does seem a pity that something like pension schemes could torpedo what seems a good initiative.

Too true. Although I am not surprised. Maybe in a few years when all the lad's/ladies who joined in the 70's and 80's are on the golf course/beauty parlor, it will start to take shape. Enhanced co-operation between both organizations is an absolute must.

Delancey

da_hambo wrote: »

I'm a member of AGS of Garda rank and will be partaking in the Patten Exchange in the next few months. For anyone that's interested, I will outline my experiences when I come back.

Can't wait!

How does that exchange work , how long is it for ? is it plainclothes ?

Dietcoke1

Greater co-operation between the two organisations is the way forward. Much has been been but in my opinion there is much more that could be done.

Criminals/terrorists do not recognise the border and use our disadvantage to their advantage. This has a negative effect on the people on both sides of the border due to out hands being tied, and ultimately could cost lives.

As Matt Baggot has stated "The border is an inconvenience in terms of policing".

Gee-22

Theres no denying the two forces need to work together to tackle threats/criminal activities.

Dietcoke1

Gee-22 wrote: »

Theres no denying the two forces need to work together to tackle threats/criminal activities.

Forces!

Organisation or service would be the more appropriate wording Gee.

da_hambo

From what I've been told and the documentation I've gotten, I do not bring any of my AGS uniform or equipment. Its plain clothes all the time.

My attachment is for four weeks, it used to be eight weeks. I'll have no police powers at all. For security reasons, I'm not saying where I'm currently stationed or where I'm going up north and when until I'm back.

Also, as far as I know, there is one AGS Super on attachment up there for three years, with full policing powers.

Garda and Sergeant attachments are short term and without powers / uniforms.

Delancey

Thanks for that info and of course fully understand that you are constrained in what you can say.
Interesting to hear that at least one AGS Super did a transfer since I last read about it.

1rishguy

da_hambo wrote: »

From what I've been told and the documentation I've gotten, I do not bring any of my AGS uniform or equipment. Its plain clothes all the time.

My attachment is for four weeks, it used to be eight weeks. I'll have no police powers at all. For security reasons, I'm not saying where I'm currently stationed or where I'm going up north and when until I'm back.

Also, as far as I know, there is one AGS Super on attachment up there for three years, with full policing powers.

Garda and Sergeant attachments are short term and without powers / uniforms.

How did you get on? Where are you stationed and where were you in NI?

Delancey

1rishguy wrote: »

How did you get on? Where are you stationed and where were you in NI?

Answering those questions may give away his/her identity , so they may not answer.