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No tax on a car involved in an accident

  • 07-03-2009 8:28pm
    #1
    irishbran77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭


    I'm wondering what options a very silly person has when the car they own is in an accident (not of their fault) while their vehicle isn't taxed, though has got insurance?

    The vehicle was on the road when it shouldn't have been but the insurance is up-to-date and there are witnesses to the accident.
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  • #2
    Trampas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,028 ✭✭✭Trampas


    who's fault is the accident?

    might get a fine from the Gardaí but I wouldn't have thought it would change the who is to blame


  • #3
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    shouldnt be on the road if it has no tax, unless you paid your tax online and are just waiting for the disc lol. Dont know though to be honest


  • #4
    TheDublinMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭TheDublinMan


    Just backdate the tax.

    Ideally the car shouldn't be on the road when it's not taxed but once your insured you should be okay.

    Did the garda say anything to you at the scene about producing documentation? If not no problems. If they did backdate it and produce it quick smart and your in the clear.


  • #5
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,730 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Pay the tax straight away and dont try getting it signed in a garda station saying it was off the road for obvious reasons. You are still likely to be fined though as Im sure the gardai will have noted the lack of road tax at the scene.


  • #6
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    irishbran77 wrote: »
    I'm wondering what options a very silly person has when the car they own is in an accident (not of their fault) while their vehicle isn't taxed, though has got insurance?

    The vehicle was on the road when it shouldn't have been but the insurance is up-to-date and there are witnesses to the accident.

    Tax has no bearing on your insurance, or the accident. So, if you do get a fine, that'll be it, and just tax the car from now.

    I don't know what is served by back-taxing it - it still wasn't taxed at the time of the accident, so why bother ? I'd prefer to tax forward rather than back tbh.......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #7
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,225 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    galwaytt wrote: »
    just tax the car from now.

    I don't know what is served by back-taxing it - it still wasn't taxed at the time of the accident, so why bother ? I'd prefer to tax forward rather than back tbh.......

    Why bother? Because the only way to not back-tax the car is to have a Garda sign the "off the road" form. If the car clearly was not "off the road" (and there is proof of this: the record of the accident), then the person asking the Garda to sign the form is committing fraud.

    That's a helluva lot more serious than not having a car taxed tbh.

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  • #8
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    ...you misunderstand me: I say why bother to backtax if, the non-tax has been noted, back-taxing it won't (necessarily) mitigate any penalty.

    I never said anything about getting the form signed declaring it was off the road.........

    btw, getting the form signed by a Garda does not expose him to fraud. The RF form clearly states that what he's witnessing is your signature not witnessing the non-use of the car....the only possible fraud is by the car owner. The phrase 'to the best of my knowledge' is what the RF says, iirc........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #9
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,312 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ....the only possible fraud is by the car owner.
    That's what he meant.

    Not your ornery onager



  • #10
    irishbran77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭irishbran77


    Thanks for all the responses. I always wondered about this issue but only know decided to see about it for a friend. I really can't understand how someone can get themselves into this problem. I would be terrified everytime I'd take a car out of my garden if it wasn't properly covere dby tax and insurance.

    But there's few options for him. He'll put in for the tex, try to backdate it. And he'll register the crash itself with the gardai. He hasn't yet since it was a hit and run on his car.

    Thanks again for the ideas!


  • #11
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    ...ah, Esel, I see what you mean.

    OP - you won't need to 'try' to backtax it - there only too happy to take your money !

    Better report that accident a.s.a.p., though.......if you want anything to happen.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #12
    Sids Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Sids Not


    If this makes anyone feel better about the Gardai....my car was hit by a un-insured un-taxed car belonging to a neighbour's son....called the Guards...long story short, they didnt prosecute as he said he'd sort out the damage......he didnt and i had to go through my insurance...:mad:


  • #13
    TheNog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    unkel wrote: »
    Why bother? Because the only way to not back-tax the car is to have a Garda sign the "off the road" form. If the car clearly was not "off the road" (and there is proof of this: the record of the accident), then the person asking the Garda to sign the form is committing fraud.

    That's a helluva lot more serious than not having a car taxed tbh.
    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...you misunderstand me: I say why bother to backtax if, the non-tax has been noted, back-taxing it won't (necessarily) mitigate any penalty.

    I never said anything about getting the form signed declaring it was off the road.........

    btw, getting the form signed by a Garda does not expose him to fraud. The RF form clearly states that what he's witnessing is your signature not witnessing the non-use of the car....the only possible fraud is by the car owner. The phrase 'to the best of my knowledge' is what the RF says, iirc........

    Its called making a false declaration and a person can be prosecuted for it.
    Sids Not wrote: »
    If this makes anyone feel better about the Gardai....my car was hit by a un-insured un-taxed car belonging to a neighbour's son....called the Guards...long story short, they didnt prosecute as he said he'd sort out the damage......he didnt and i had to go through my insurance...:mad:

    Surely there is more to this story? Give us the long version, will ye


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